Knicks · Mitchell Robinson found his Man Strength (page 8)
Worth a peek，Thibs on Robinson. It sounds like Thibs is really looking forward to Robinson coming back. He had a lot of positive things to say about the work Mitchell has put in. The highlight for me was him saying "and not just for his defense." that's some lol stuff，Mitchell has the highest single season fg% in NBA history.
The easy buckets, the big dunks the blocks, definitely will fire up the team. More tough guys the better and sooner or later a trade will open up for Noel and some pieces.
EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…
Young big men are getting paid. Makes you wonder just how low the positional value for big men really is.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Young big men are getting paid. Makes you wonder just how low the positional value for big men really is.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
I don’t really understand that money, if I am being honest.
EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Young big men are getting paid. Makes you wonder just how low the positional value for big men really is.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
I don’t really understand that money, if I am being honest.
Yeah, they couldn't wait to get rid of him Chicago. Wiz are in a strange place and seem content with waddling around in a pool of mediocrity.
EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…
Thats insane, right? Mitch is going to get 80 over 4 if he stays healthy. I don't want to pay that but I don't want to lose him for nothing either
EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…
Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to do
Like you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to doLike you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap...
How do you feel about Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, and/or Jarret Allen? I just don't think you are looking at what starting centers get paid. 18 of of the top 30 are greater than the MLE and those below tend to be either rookie scale contracts or vet min deals due to buyout or ring shopping (or both).
He's gotta earn his contract this season, but I really find it hard to believe he is coming in under the MLE next season.
EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to doLike you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap...
How do you feel about Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, and/or Jarret Allen? I just don't think you are looking at what starting centers get paid. 18 of of the top 30 are greater than the MLE and those below tend to be either rookie scale contracts or vet min deals due to buyout or ring shopping (or both).
He's gotta earn his contract this season, but I really find it hard to believe he is coming in under the MLE next season.
Dude you are being completely bias, you know good and well mitch is no where close to having the same impact as any of those guys .
The knicks can extend Mitch today if they wanted to, but they don't seem be in any rush.
Maybe Perry makes a deal for (Bagely for Knox and 2nd round pick) word on the streets is that he is out of the Kings rotation
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to doLike you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap...
How do you feel about Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, and/or Jarret Allen? I just don't think you are looking at what starting centers get paid. 18 of of the top 30 are greater than the MLE and those below tend to be either rookie scale contracts or vet min deals due to buyout or ring shopping (or both).
He's gotta earn his contract this season, but I really find it hard to believe he is coming in under the MLE next season.
Dude you are being completely bias, you know good and well mitch is no where close to having the same impact as any of those guys .
The knicks can extend Mitch today if they wanted to, but they don't seem be in any rush.
Maybe Perry makes a deal for (Bagely for Knox and 2nd round pick) word on the streets is that he is out of the Kings rotation
It's always interesting to see some people's fixations at play and I seen enough of your fixation on Robinson to wonder what's really going on here.
Taken in a vacuum, okay, you don't think Robinson is "worth" more a mid-level deal, but then you mix your "messages" by suggesting Marvin Bagley.
Let's establish some facts here:
Marvin Bagley will make $12m this year, so if you suggest the Knicks acquire him, you have to pay him what you consistently argue players of his production aren't worth.
Then you got to send more than Knox to to get him to match salary.
Then he's got a QO of $15m next year and a cap hold of $28m, which yes, can go away but at the cost of making him an UFA.
But more relevantly...
For 3 NBA seasons, he's hasn't been either a healthier, or more productive player than Mitchell Robinson.
He's a demonstratively inferior defensive player, and a much less efficient offensive player. His only advantage he technically takes more varied offensive shots than Robinson, but the trade-off is those more varied shots he takes don't actually go in the basketball in even average frontcourt fashion.
But yes, I already know how you'll reply. Some combination of:
1.) yeah, but he's on the kings.
2.) 3 years ago he was the much more highly thought of player
3.) he has much more "potential"
The problem is he fails the foundation of your fixation with Robinson.
Bagley hasn't improved ... in ANY area ... in three years.
No evidence of time in the gym improving his game.
So look in the mirror if you think whatever your issue with Robinson is is truly basketball related. Because Marvin Bagley doesn't check any box other than 3 year-old draft position bias.
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to doLike you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap...
How do you feel about Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, and/or Jarret Allen? I just don't think you are looking at what starting centers get paid. 18 of of the top 30 are greater than the MLE and those below tend to be either rookie scale contracts or vet min deals due to buyout or ring shopping (or both).
He's gotta earn his contract this season, but I really find it hard to believe he is coming in under the MLE next season.
Dude you are being completely bias, you know good and well mitch is no where close to having the same impact as any of those guys .
The knicks can extend Mitch today if they wanted to, but they don't seem be in any rush.
Maybe Perry makes a deal for (Bagely for Knox and 2nd round pick) word on the streets is that he is out of the Kings rotation
You rarely if ever consider projcting what a player can become. capella and Rudy’s contract were “WTF, really” but they covered it. YOu want the player to be at that level THEN give him the money.
It would be nice, but it don’t always work that way. You play a convenient game but you suck at it.
knicks1248 wrote:maybe you should look at where those players were at the same age and career points as Mitch and come back to me armed with some actual info rather than the finger you just scratched your ass with and took a good long deep whiff fromEwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Daniel Gafford just got 3 years 39mm. Just saying, 1248…Do You think the Wizards are a well run organization?
What kind of contract has Mitch earned since he's been in the NBA?
Leon who has now been on both sides of the negotiation table, has made it crystal clear he is not over paying anybody and he won't be fleeced in any trade.
If the knicks decide to extend him, it will be for a modest 2 yr deal, probably with a team option on the 2nd yr
No, I don't think the Wizards are well run.
True, Leon Rose and the FO have been quite professional in their tenure.
Still not sure where you are getting your opinion on this from. I am just showing you market comparisons for Robinson. If defensive minded centers are getting 13M + for 3 years from other teams, I think they will be hard pressed to get Robinson (a UFA) to sign for less.
We can wait and see, but I had Robinson at 4 years 52MM before, I'm now wondering if that is low based on the Gafford signing. I am not suggesting he gets the 4 years 102mm that JJJ got. But the 3 years 27mm that Noel got and the 4 years 55MM that Richaun Holmes got are certainly forming a market opinion.
The only franchise paying defensive centers that kind of money are losing franchises (kings and wizards) that can't attract major talent, so they have to over pay like we use to doLike you saw with noel, injuries will plummet your value( it will make you sue your agent, or fire 4 of them) look at him now, just got a decent salary increase and he's back on the shelf.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap...
How do you feel about Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, and/or Jarret Allen? I just don't think you are looking at what starting centers get paid. 18 of of the top 30 are greater than the MLE and those below tend to be either rookie scale contracts or vet min deals due to buyout or ring shopping (or both).
He's gotta earn his contract this season, but I really find it hard to believe he is coming in under the MLE next season.
Dude you are being completely bias, you know good and well mitch is no where close to having the same impact as any of those guys .
The knicks can extend Mitch today if they wanted to, but they don't seem be in any rush.
Maybe Perry makes a deal for (Bagely for Knox and 2nd round pick) word on the streets is that he is out of the Kings rotation