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Almost forgot

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Made me count.

ToddTT wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Made me count.

How’d you make it past 10? Use the toes?

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Made me count.

How’d you make it past 10? Use the toes?

That’s ridiculous. I’d have to take off my shoes.

I simply taped popsicle sticks to my hands, effectively giving me more fingers.

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Made me count.

How’d you make it past 10? Use the toes?

That’s ridiculous. I’d have to take off my shoes.

I simply taped popsicle sticks to my hands, effectively giving me more fingers.

Always knew you were a smarty pants. Please carry on and excuse my interruption

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

Sengun is interesting ONLY because of his passing. I think his other skills need work. Work that Thibs and his team can manage. But, a Houston wanted Randle for some of their spare parts, it would interesting to see Sengun in the pivot passing the ball to whoever of Brunson, DDV, Bridges or Anunoby was open. And if he cleared out a little bit to let Brunson go to work, he could pull a big man with him. He probably gets a contract like Mo Wagner next year.

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

A few random thoughts....

- People constantly want Randle out of here at $30M per season. How are they going to react to KAT at $61M per season - LOL.

- Some seem to want Thibs not be Thibsian. At center he craves a rim protector, offensive rebounding, PNR and guys who are not ball stoppers nor clog the lane. Not sure this is Sengun at this point in his career.

- On the Nets Bridges was asked to create. Although this will help develop his all around game - this is not his specialty. I would expect that the Knicks will covet Mikal based on his role while on the Suns.

- I don't really care about what these guys individual stats are. For instance if Julius averages 3+ turnovers and the Knicks win 57 games, should it really matter to me? What I really care about is the roster construct for the playoffs. IMO the current roster remaining healthy and focused roster right mix in the playoffs on both sides of the ball. Teams will not be able to run multiple players at JB in high double/traps nearly as effectively as they will have to be wary of Julius, who has shown he is a very effective offensive weapon at the Arc or against most single defenders getting to a mid-range or to the rim.

- The biggest issue I see that will dictate "Trade Randle" has nothing to do with his performance, rather it is the financials and future cap/apron implications of how the Knicks can manage his contract/extension situation.

Randle makes New contract going forward will be higher than his 29mm this year.
OG makes 43. Kat will make 49 this year. It taps out at 61mm in 4 years.
Im assuming Randle will make more than OG.
Im focused on the money, not the players.
The issue is both Randle and KAT have blemishes. Neither have been Playoff stars yet.
Right now we got Mitch.
the "Trade Randle" movement had few ideas to who that would be for. Its nice to say "A Star".
We need a center. Easy to say Sengun or KAT are flawed. Who then?
I have not read anyone really sold on any of these ideas but open to discussing.

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

Sengun is interesting ONLY because of his passing. I think his other skills need work. Work that Thibs and his team can manage. But, a Houston wanted Randle for some of their spare parts, it would interesting to see Sengun in the pivot passing the ball to whoever of Brunson, DDV, Bridges or Anunoby was open. And if he cleared out a little bit to let Brunson go to work, he could pull a big man with him. He probably gets a contract like Mo Wagner next year.

I think Sengun is interesting because of his passing, midrange game, 3point potential, and cost controlled contract for 5 more years. Sengun's midrange game is very very good and in combo with his FT shooting % seems to at least give us hints about his 3point potential, which stands at around 30%. That's not half bad for a young 7 footer.

His PnR play with Brunson and wing spacers DDV, OG, Mikal would be unstoppable.

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

Sengun is interesting ONLY because of his passing. I think his other skills need work. Work that Thibs and his team can manage. But, a Houston wanted Randle for some of their spare parts, it would interesting to see Sengun in the pivot passing the ball to whoever of Brunson, DDV, Bridges or Anunoby was open. And if he cleared out a little bit to let Brunson go to work, he could pull a big man with him. He probably gets a contract like Mo Wagner next year.

Knicks are all-in on win now mode. Unless a young center prospect is a very solid defender / rebounder, I don't see them bringing in a rotation guy (especially under Thibs) who needs development on D.

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

Sengun is interesting ONLY because of his passing. I think his other skills need work. Work that Thibs and his team can manage. But, a Houston wanted Randle for some of their spare parts, it would interesting to see Sengun in the pivot passing the ball to whoever of Brunson, DDV, Bridges or Anunoby was open. And if he cleared out a little bit to let Brunson go to work, he could pull a big man with him. He probably gets a contract like Mo Wagner next year.

I think Sengun is interesting because of his passing, midrange game, 3point potential, and cost controlled contract for 5 more years. Sengun's midrange game is very very good and in combo with his FT shooting % seems to at least give us hints about his 3point potential, which stands at around 30%. That's not half bad for a young 7 footer.

His PnR play with Brunson and wing spacers DDV, OG, Mikal would be unstoppable.

Good post....For those concerned about his 3 pt shot or lack thereof, keep in mind he is only 21 years and is far from a finished product. Brook Lopez didn't shooting 3's, consistently, until he was 27. If the Knicks are considering making a big move, this is the smart move to make for everything you stated above.

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Almost forgot

First you need to get out the readers just so that you can start to look to find where the magnifying glass is at. That’s a lot of work.

Still could be worth it if Danye in there somewhere

I think she's one of the pixels in the middle. So hot.

I still don’t know what kind of super sonic X-ray vision HofstraBBall got but my flip phone almost done downloading pic so hold on

Guys… there are 15 to choose from! I am sure one of them is hot!

Do better! Just follow the same process you use to pull up Julius Randle pictures.

Never posted any Randle pics.

Only posted things that pissed off all the Randle haters…….his stat lines!

. I still don’t know why Randle has haters. Yes sometimes he holds onto the ball too much but he had put up good numbers since we got him

I’ll bite. Anyone who isn’t absolutely overwhelmingly in love with Randle is called a hater. We all want Randle to be the best version of himself. But some of us see that his advanced stats are among the worst in the league among high usage players. His 5 assists looks pretty, but he has near the highest turnover percentage among high usage players. His 25 points per game are great, But he is near the lowest eFG in the league with guys over 30% usage. He barely registers on defensive metrics. He has high volume stats on points, rebounding and assists. So did Josh Hart in his absence. Hart had more triple doubles than Randle. 6 to 1. Randles gravity and the requirement to draw a double team is his huge value. When they added OG, he seems to do a little better. His turnovers were still ridiculously high. When surrounded by Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby, I would love to see what he can come up with. I’d like to see what he can do healthy again. But I can’t unsee his turnover percentage and act like that’s not a problem. Or his eFG is a positive use of this team’s limited number of shots. It’s not that I hate Randle, I’m just not blown away by how he gets his numbers. Mikal’s numbers were pretty much the same or worse on offense last year. I’m hoping that with Brunson, OG and Randle that he will revert back to his advanced stat glory days. I kind of hope the same, that Randle realizes he can average a triple double if he channels his inner Hart. I don’t hate Randle. Just need him to move the ball better and take better shots. And play defense.

I kind of want to sell high on him and buy low on JJJ and overpay for Sengun. But, I am willing to see which Randle shows up to camp this year.

You. Bring up some fair points. TOVs need to come down. Randle, like he did in January, must have a good team concept when on offense.
My thing has always been, it is easy to complain about what Randle can’t do, yet ignore he was the first big FA who actually wanted to come to the shit show that was. He got us to the playoffs for the first time in many years, being a walking double double is not easy no matter what kind of usage you have, his contract accommodated the Knick and was a sign of his commitment to winning and he has the intangible of being a physical force that many PFs today don’t have.

Haters are the ones that magic erase everything I just listed and wanted him traded for scraps.

Jackson would be great. But what do we have to give up besides Randle? How will that affect chemistry and roster. One that seemed high level in January.
KAT suggestion that I have seen in media makes me laugh. $61 million for a soft C that can’t win with several top tier players in place. Also, does not make sense the Knicks would trade a Randle, top PF, and create a new hole in SL, to fill the void of IHart?
Sengun I believe would create both issues mentioned above. He also cannot shoot the three. Which seems to be an emphasis of what the so called experts are saying we are missing.

I am on the side of put the same squad that worked in January. Add some role players, especially a backup C, and then make adjustments at All Star break if things are not going well. Including ALL viable options. Either way, I trust the FO. Who have navigated quite well despite many variables to contend with.

Sengun is interesting ONLY because of his passing. I think his other skills need work. Work that Thibs and his team can manage. But, a Houston wanted Randle for some of their spare parts, it would interesting to see Sengun in the pivot passing the ball to whoever of Brunson, DDV, Bridges or Anunoby was open. And if he cleared out a little bit to let Brunson go to work, he could pull a big man with him. He probably gets a contract like Mo Wagner next year.

I think Sengun is interesting because of his passing, midrange game, 3point potential, and cost controlled contract for 5 more years. Sengun's midrange game is very very good and in combo with his FT shooting % seems to at least give us hints about his 3point potential, which stands at around 30%. That's not half bad for a young 7 footer.

His PnR play with Brunson and wing spacers DDV, OG, Mikal would be unstoppable.

Good post....For those concerned about his 3 pt shot or lack thereof, keep in mind he is only 21 years and is far from a finished product. Brook Lopez didn't shooting 3's, consistently, until he was 27. If the Knicks are considering making a big move, this is the smart move to make for everything you stated above.

Why not go for Vucevic, can get him on the cheap...double/double and do the same thing w/o passing as Sengun...defense is not there but if we are talking about KAT and this guy we obviously are not prioritizing defense at the 5 the way we were last yr.