EF didn't forget to play basketball. The whole starting 5 has sucked all year. The flow of the offense is non-existent. Energy feed off defense and offense. The SL gives poor effort.
They seem in a vicious circle of no effort, poor rythm, poor play. It is their job to figure it out otherwise they deserve to be called out but I don't think the problem is individual regression.
shinmen wrote:EF didn't forget to play basketball. The whole starting 5 has sucked all year. The flow of the offense is non-existent. Energy feed off defense and offense. The SL gives poor effort.
They seem in a vicious circle of no effort, poor rythm, poor play. It is their job to figure it out otherwise they deserve to be called out but I don't think the problem is individual regression.
He was never that good to begin with. He was a complimentry piece on the Magic of all teams
People calling him out for his lack of d - he couldn’t hit several open 3s last night vs g-state. At a minimum he needs to do that and couldn’t.
What waist of $$, dude has had 1 good game (the first against Boston)
One hit wonder
I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
Those guys haven't done enough either to label them " The Untouchables "
remember that time we traded 'The Unicorn' (fuck you Janis) and part of advantage of the deal was we got rid of THJ's contract? I know different guys made the decisions but what the actual fuck
martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
Agreed. Whether Fournier is a long term starter or a quality backup scorer, we owe him time to figure it out. Whatever he had at the beginning of the season against the Celtics is in there somewhere.
The Fournier and Randle contracts reek of Isiah
knicks1248 wrote:What waist of $$, dude has had 1 good game (the first against Boston)One hit wonder
That and he hit a clutch 3 in the loss against the nets
Other than that a total liability on D whose shooting has been a disappointment
martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
RJ was a 19 year old rookie and the third overall pick in the draft. Valid comparison
Does this thread title come with a box of crayons. Ok Fournier really sucks right now, but It’s Dec 15th, have you hugged your GM yet today?
shinmen wrote:EF didn't forget to play basketball. The whole starting 5 has sucked all year. The flow of the offense is non-existent. Energy feed off defense and offense. The SL gives poor effort.
They seem in a vicious circle of no effort, poor rythm, poor play. It is their job to figure it out otherwise they deserve to be called out but I don't think the problem is individual regression.
+1
only post worth reading (yeah, i wouldn't read mine, either)
Yes, we all need a pariah to vent on, but EF isn't the reason Randle and RJ are nowhere near last season. And DRose. And Quickley. And MitchRob. And Noel. And Taj Gibson. It's literally the whole fucking team. Kemba was a bad bet that lost.
Give it a break. FO shelled out 78 million for EF. He's not going into the trash bin anytime soon.
Fournier is not a great player by any means but he's not paid like one. His TS% and his ws/48 are the worst he had his whole carreer. There is something wrong this year for the whole SL. Imho, randle's style of play is part of the problem.
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
RJ was a 19 year old rookie and the third overall pick in the draft. Valid comparison
He is talking about the comments, not the players. Reading is fundamental.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
RJ was a 19 year old rookie and the third overall pick in the draft. Valid comparison
He is talking about the comments, not the players. Reading is fundamental.
Quite frankly I don't know what to do about this
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
RJ was a 19 year old rookie and the third overall pick in the draft. Valid comparison
He is talking about the comments, not the players. Reading is fundamental.
Quite frankly I don't know what to do about this
Add a convert to audio button to each post?
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:I see a lot of arguments that would have been similar to trading Randle and RJ just 2-3 months into the 2019 season.
RJ was a 19 year old rookie and the third overall pick in the draft. Valid comparison
He is talking about the comments, not the players. Reading is fundamental.
Quite frankly I don't know what to do about this
Add a convert to audio button to each post?
yeahhhhhhhh . . . . listening's pretty fundamental too
NYKMentality wrote:He's completely useless. He's dreadful on Defense.
He's putrid on Offense.
He's the most and least athletic NBA player I've ever witnessed.
He makes me not even want to watch Knicks basketball anymore.
I love coach Thibs but if Thibs doesn't completely remove EF from his rotation? I'll lose all the respect I've ever had for him.
Our identity is gone because of Evan Fournier.
EF is not playing well. "Single-handedly"? More like the scapegoat. Facts are:
Randle 2020 41% from 3pt 47% from 2pt 24ppg / 2021 34% from 3pt, 46% from 2pt, 19ppg
Rj 2020 40,45,17 / 2021 35,43,15
Burks 2020 41,42/12 / 2021 39,39,11
IQ 2020 39,40,11 / 2021 32,37,10 (In more minutes per game)
Rose 2020 41,50,15 / 2021 40,47,12
EF averages 38,50,14 for his career. What did you expect?
Not making an excuse for him but just pointing out A) the entire team is responsible. B) Expectations should have been managed.
HofstraBBall wrote:NYKMentality wrote:He's completely useless. He's dreadful on Defense.
He's putrid on Offense.
He's the most and least athletic NBA player I've ever witnessed.
He makes me not even want to watch Knicks basketball anymore.
I love coach Thibs but if Thibs doesn't completely remove EF from his rotation? I'll lose all the respect I've ever had for him.
Our identity is gone because of Evan Fournier.
EF is not playing well. "Single-handedly"? More like the scapegoat. Facts are:Randle 2020 41% from 3pt 47% from 2pt 24ppg / 2021 34% from 3pt, 46% from 2pt, 19ppg
Rj 2020 40,45,17 / 2021 35,43,15
Burks 2020 41,42/12 / 2021 39,39,11
IQ 2020 39,40,11 / 2021 32,37,10 (In more minutes per game)
Rose 2020 41,50,15 / 2021 40,47,12
EF averages 38,50,14 for his career. What did you expect?
Not making an excuse for him but just pointing out A) the entire team is responsible. B) Expectations should have been managed.
Funny how you're leaving out Evan Fournier trash ass Defensive stats.
Yes. Evan Fournier has single handedly ruined the identity of our starting 5.
