Knicks · So Randle cant be traded until tomorrow? (page 6)

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

I def agree other player's styles and fit can impact Randle (eg spacing) and probably have - it just feels like there is something more significant going on. No evidence to support that - just really believe something else is contributing to the Randle we are seeing this year. Hope I'm wrong!

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

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SergioNYK wrote:Randle was never this moody. Something is up.

He was though- I've never forgotten after his first season, when it looked like we were looking to trade him, Alan Hahn went on KFTV or something and said the issue with randle was he came here thinking he was going to be the man, and when it suddenly looked like that wasn't going to happen, he started sulking/ making less effort/ being crappy. Essentially the same regression in attitude he's shown in his third year here when asked to scale back his selfishness.

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

All signs are indicating we won't be trading him- all the Knicks fan podcasts are basically saying it's unlikely, the rumor that we're looking into CJ (so no Fox), Bagely seems to think he's staying etc. Sigh.

One thing I will say is whoever wrote that Player Tribune article for him last year deserves an Oscar or Golden Globe for best original screenplay or something- such a fantastic piece of absolute fiction that a lot of us bought! In retrospect you can tell it was just BS fluff because we were looking into moving him before the season (drafting Obi, the rumoured Hield trade), so how could it have been true that he met with Rose and Wes over dinner in the offseason and they asked him what he needed and that's why they brought in Thibs etc, because he wanted to be held accountable, had learned the woes of selfishess and being a bad teammate etc etc- laughable really, now when you look back on it.

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

People really all over the internet going nuts about this computer issue, as if these types of confrontations don’t happen constantly in sports. If you play sports with competitive people you know this stuff is always happening and rarely means anything.

Knixkik wrote:People really all over the internet going nuts about this computer issue, as if these types of confrontations don’t happen constantly in sports. If you play sports with competitive people you know this stuff is always happening and rarely means anything.

Its the patterning. For three more days we will continue speculating about Randle being unhappy and highlight anything that demonstrates this.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

yeah... and there is the issue of value. Randle's is really low right now and our FO loves to deal from advantage. Dont mistake Randle not being traded for "we are still building around Randle."

I suspect we trade spare parts and IQ for CJ and if IQ is the only young guy we give up that's pretty good. CJ would be best scorer on the team from the start.

Knixkik wrote:People really all over the internet going nuts about this computer issue, as if these types of confrontations don’t happen constantly in sports. If you play sports with competitive people you know this stuff is always happening and rarely means anything.

if it was just that it would be silly. Randle's effort and stretches there lacking combined with poor play have been well documented. So has his wondering and not looking interested etc... something is clearly up and nobody has been told what it is, so we gotta guess. The data and eye tests suck.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

right. Plus bringing in Cam wasn't a coincidence (and maybe Zion after his bout with WeightWatchers. Thibs wants team ball. Look at the guys he had all of whom were at least if not more talented than Randle and none had the negative BS: rose, butler, noah in his prime. So Thibs is probably fed up with this BS.

RJ has received negative criticism and has had a more mature way of dealing with even though he's so much younger. Randle is smart but his emotions and the way he expresses himself is becoming a big issue and distracting. (Like Aaron Rodgers in football (with less talent so who wants the prima donna stuff).

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

yeah... and there is the issue of value. Randle's is really low right now and our FO loves to deal from advantage. Dont mistake Randle not being traded for "we are still building around Randle."

I suspect we trade spare parts and IQ for CJ and if IQ is the only young guy we give up that's pretty good. CJ would be best scorer on the team from the start.

i don't see them wanting IQ. If the Blazers do anything well it's draft guards. I'm assuming they want Obi

Nalod wrote:OMG, we to keep piling on randle because we did not like this attitude with the video guy?
Does it matter why he was upset? Or we in "how dare he disrespect the laptop guy. If he does him, he does me?"
From "reports" I read, the guy was showing Randle how to better clean up his hard drive and Randle was like "Really? can we wait until later?"
Im kidding. WTF knows what got him. Maybe he was upset that the price on Bounty paper towels went on sale and he over paid?
Or the coach was like "hey, look what they saying on ULTIMATEKNICKS about you!"

This had me cracking up.