Knicks · I wrote that Brunson would ultimately get a max contract (page 3)

If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

sure... something like Fournier/Grimes/FRP for Brunson at 4/$100m? Folks? like that?

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

Dallas got too many wings with Bullock, THJr, Dimwiddie. They don't need Fournier or Grimes.

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

Dallas got too many wings with Bullock, THJr, Dimwiddie. They don't need Fournier or Grimes.

Obi/Noel/FRP?

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

sure... something like Fournier/Grimes/FRP for Brunson at 4/$100m? Folks? like that?

foosballnick wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

sure... something like Fournier/Grimes/FRP for Brunson at 4/$100m? Folks? like that?

yeah thats me... but some here really like to mention A LOT how Brunson is a great next piece, he's the guy we need, team would be so much better with... etc etc

So I remain curious what our path is to acquiring said Brunson that makes sense for all parties involved.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

Dallas got too many wings with Bullock, THJr, Dimwiddie. They don't need Fournier or Grimes.

Obi/Noel/FRP?

No.

Randle or nothing and move on.

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Isaiah is on NBA TV often. I have to change the channel.

Every time he opens his mouth I just want to punch his stupid smiling face.

The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

ToddTT wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Isaiah is on NBA TV often. I have to change the channel.

Every time he opens his mouth I just want to punch his stupid smiling face.

No Isiah is highly intelligent--easy to listen to. Not sure about his GM skills but hes a good analyst and great player

BRIGGS wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Isaiah is on NBA TV often. I have to change the channel.

Every time he opens his mouth I just want to punch his stupid smiling face.

No Isiah is highly intelligent--easy to listen to. Not sure about his GM skills but hes a good analyst and great player

ummm . . . which parts are you not sure about . . .

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

he was worth every penny of that in entertainment value to this board

Marv wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

he was worth every penny of that in entertainment value to this board

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we went after Brunson, we have to move Fournier, there's no way you can play those two and have a decent defense. Maybe Dallas would do a Fournier plus their pick back or one of our young guards for him?

Dallas got too many wings with Bullock, THJr, Dimwiddie. They don't need Fournier or Grimes.

Obi/Noel/FRP?

No.

Randle or nothing and move on.

They are going to ask for Mitch

BRIGGS wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Isaiah is on NBA TV often. I have to change the channel.

Every time he opens his mouth I just want to punch his stupid smiling face.

No Isiah is highly intelligent--easy to listen to. Not sure about his GM skills but hes a good analyst and great player

That’s how he conned Dolan into not only giving him the GM job for so many years but also making him bulletproof

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

brunson is, i hope for him and the knicks if he shows up here, better than jj. it is still a valid cautionary tale. does dallas take heat for not signing him before or did they see enough prior that he was not motivated/good enough/limited/etc? is he playing for his $ and will go back into a shell?

sidsanders wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

brunson is, i hope for him and the knicks if he shows up here, better than jj. it is still a valid cautionary tale. does dallas take heat for not signing him before or did they see enough prior that he was not motivated/good enough/limited/etc? is he playing for his $ and will go back into a shell?

I don't think there is a shell for Jalen and Jerome James is just a bad example.

Will he live up to expectations if he signs a massively overpriced contract? Maybe it's a nuance but IMHO Jalen will absolutely perform to a certain level and may even increase his baseline stats for this year, but it's the expectations that may kill him if that comes to be.

Every year he has gotten better. This was the first he has started and it was next to Doncic who still has a huge usage and that skews some of what Brunson can do as the primary ball handler. He has had some nice games in this playoffs.

We shall see how it goes.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

he was worth every penny of that in entertainment value to this board

Looking at his highlights, I don't see why you guys are ragging on JJ. Big body, soft hands, good footwork. He must've been a beast. Now wonder Isaiah signed him 😔

BRIGGS wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

Isaiah is on NBA TV often. I have to change the channel.

Every time he opens his mouth I just want to punch his stupid smiling face.

No Isiah is highly intelligent--easy to listen to. Not sure about his GM skills but hes a good analyst and great player

That our cap one year was 40% higher than the second highest team (Portland) and we finished with 23 wins, last in the east. why did we not have our pick? Eddy.
That, and Anuchagate?

We could go on and on, but why. Can’t blame Larry Brown. Why? Isiah hired him. Thats On Isiah.
worst of it was he tried to off himself with sleeping pills then said it was his daughter who needed EMS.
Thats a piece of shit father right there. Piece of shit coach, Piece of shit husband before he even got married he had cheated and had a kid with another women. Piece of shit GM, Piece of shit father, blew up the Continental league and left owners with nothing after buy out was offered (Piece of shit business man), was kicked out of Toronto as its team exec. Great player good anayst, piece of shit at everything else.

He was a great player. He is a good TV analyst. But as a knick fan he too makes me sick.
Whats don’t you now know Briggs?

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.