Knicks · Point Guard Dilemma - Knicks' Achilles Heel (page 1)

Seems we're never in a position to draft a great point guard to run this team. Will this be the year that finally changes?

Must face the facts that Walker and Rose had their shining moment and the sun is fading on them. Between injuries, surgeries (minor procedures?) and losing a step due to age, they simply cannot be looked at as the future.

Who do we have: Number 11 pick in this year's draft, (Walker), (Rose), Deuce McBride, Ryan Arcidiacono, with Quickly and maybe Burks giving a hand at the position. Apart from McBride, the future looks glum...or is it. Last year's draft the Knicks traded picks to take Rokas Jokubaitis...two picks before taking McBride and 24 picks ahead of Jericho Sims. They must have seen something in him to make the trade to get him and taking him ahead of McBride, makes one wonder what they wanted out of him.

I've been reading up on Jokubaitis and it's impressive. He has won the annual "Euroleague Rising Star Award" given to the most outstanding player in the Euroleague. Past winners are Luka Dončić, Ricky Rubio, Danilo Gallinari, etc., so he's in pretty good company. He's definitely a shooter making a little over 57% of his three point shots and over 80% at the free throw line and he's adept at drawing fouls.

Anyway, will the Knicks give him a chance this year? Probably not. Thibs prefers veterans to youngsters so maybe next year. Regardless, when it looks like the season is not headed for the playoffs...why not give this kid a chance to see what he can do under the blazing lights of MSG? https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-knicks...

Of course, we might come away with a player in this draft who can step right in at PG. There's some really good names out there and depending on how the draft falls, we might get lucky for a change. I know a lot of people are high on Jalen Williams, Dyson Daniels, Benedict Mathruin, Shaedon Sharpe, and of course Jaden Ivey (which would take a miracle to get). Personally, I am very high on Hugo Besson in the second round if he's still available, but he would be in the same position as Jkubaitis...most likely.

All in all, it's just plain depressing to sit back and wait for the Knicks' front office to get us a floor leader who can spread the floor, shoot the lights out, and effectively distribute the ball to open teammates

its gonna be year after next but he's a legit prospect.. I was not too high on him first but he's really shown some big things this year.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
There's a lot of nuggets in here.... if you want to go down the Rokus rabbit hole there's a year long thread to plow through

Lots of links and videos

fishmike wrote:its gonna be next year but he's a legit prospect.. I was not too high on him first but he's really shown some big things this year.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
There's a lot of nuggets in here.... if you want to go down the Rokus rabbit hole there's a year long thread to plow through

Lots of links and videos

Yeah, I'm new to the board. Been here about a week. I haven't delved into the past year's threads other than the Alba one because I noticed that each individual on the board had an "Alba" count next to it so I thought I'd check it out to see what that was all about. Most of the pictures no longer exist so I added a few, but that's about as far into the depth of threads on here goes for me.

I kind of wanted to start a poll to see who everyone wants drafted at no. 11, but being the newbie, I just basically wanted to read people's opinions leading up to the draft. Wish it was tonight and not next week!

It's really a disappointing draft for point guards as all but Ivey need NBA seasoning (much like McBride) and even Ivey is more of an off guard who like Quick could probably handle the ball as the floor leader

https://theknickswall.com/analyzing-disa...

BingBong wrote:

fishmike wrote:its gonna be next year but he's a legit prospect.. I was not too high on him first but he's really shown some big things this year.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
There's a lot of nuggets in here.... if you want to go down the Rokus rabbit hole there's a year long thread to plow through

Lots of links and videos

Yeah, I'm new to the board. Been here about a week. I haven't delved into the past year's threads other than the Alba one because I noticed that each individual on the board had an "Alba" count next to it so I thought I'd check it out to see what that was all about. Most of the pictures no longer exist so I added a few, but that's about as far into the depth of threads on here goes for me.

I kind of wanted to start a poll to see who everyone wants drafted at no. 11, but being the newbie, I just basically wanted to read people's opinions leading up to the draft. Wish it was tonight and not next week!

its all good and welcome... just to clarify (I edited my posted) I meant year after next for Rokus. That being said there is a clear eye to the future here and building up a pipeline.

we arent winning anything next year. Kemba is gone. IQ should start. Rose can come off the bench for whatever we can get from him with McBride being ready to go. Nobody should be getting PG minutes before those 3 (current roster)

I’ll just throw out that like the classic big man dominating the league being gone with the wind, the prototypical point guard hardly exists anymore. Aging Chris Paul sure, and there are certainly some dominating players (Steph, Ja) listed at that position. But you have forwards (Luka, Lebrun) directing the flow just as much and the days of a Jason Kidd with limited offensive capability are no more. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to upgrade that position. Along with the other positions. You need a team that can move the ball.

I think the reason I want a dominating PG is because last year I got my hopes up real high and when we finally made the playoffs and looked good, I watched Trae Young take down the Knicks single-handedly. Ever since, my thought has been, "I want one of those"...LOL

Every time I check out a draft board I have to go way， way down before finding a PG. Tyty Washington looks good and he's from Kentucky. I hope the Knicks keep this team together, meaning resign Mitchell Robinson. The only way for him to get more than 12 million a year is to hit Free agency, so maybe nothing to fret about.

I'm not sure if Rose is done. It sounded like his comeback was derailed by an infected wound- so not a chronic injury. Rose has a lot of experience coming back from long breaks.

Kemba is done and needs a replacement. Realgm is running that Denver is open to trading Monte Morris. I would trade Burks plus 11 pick for Monte + 21.

Just to stir the pot a little, what do people think of C.White with the Bulls?

I saw an article he may be available.

Simply draft jalen Williams as a pg for the Knicks at 11. No years of cultivating— he’s a plug in play 6-6 pg with a near 7-3 wingspan. He’s big enough to guard guys like lamelo and Cade Cunningham and good enough offensively to protect the ball make the right pass or open shot. It’s a no brainer staring right at the team. No fancy trade ideas. We’d have iq willians McBride and rose —- nothing else needed.

After watching this, I just want Ivey. The young man is exactly what the Knicks need. It would take a lot to move up and get him, but he's so special it would be worth it IMHO

Ivy and Quickley (with Barrett at the 3) would be an awesome and dynamic backcourt.

There is a belief that the FO's offseason plan to get a PG might be:
Plan A: trade up and get Jayden Ivey.
Plan B: sign Brunson
Plan C: trade for Brogdon
Trading up will cost alot but if the Knicks brass thinks Ivey can be a Garland or Ja, i guess eventually if it pans out everyone will get over it. If the cost is the 11th pick, a future 1st and Obi, how will you guys feel?
Is there a way to trade Randle to the hawks plus one 1st round pick for John Collins? The is a good chance Randle will have a bounce back year next year but i dont like the idea he might be a bad influence to the other young knicks.
Mitch/Bamba
John Collins
RJ
IQ/Grimes
Ivey

I like Ivey alot, i hope he develops his shooting if he somehow gets drafted by the knicks

BingBong wrote:After watching this, I just want Ivey. The young man is exactly what the Knicks need. It would take a lot to move up and get him, but he's so special it would be worth it IMHO

Would cost us RJ plus the 11 pick to move up. Nah. Stay at 11 draft the next best pg in the draft Kennedy Chandler

Brunson was the shiny object, now Ivey is I guess. Let's trade all our assets for the #4 pick but he gets chosen at #3. Or we do get him and he's declared a bust after his second summer league game. Then we'll package him with Randle for Westbrook. And so it goes....

Ivey is too young. The front office isn't interested.

gradyandrew wrote:Ivey is too young. The front office isn't interested.

I think the exact opposite. There is a ton of homework being done about him from the Knicks. No idea if NY can trade up but it seems like they are targeting him.

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Ivey is too young. The front office isn't interested.

I think the exact opposite. There is a ton of homework being done about him from the Knicks. No idea if NY can trade up but it seems like they are targeting him.

I guess drafting Ivey is one way to get Thibs to start IQ.

Chandler wrote:Just to stir the pot a little, what do people think of C.White with the Bulls?

I saw an article he may be available.

Another combo guard. He's not the answer.

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Ivey is too young. The front office isn't interested.

I think the exact opposite. There is a ton of homework being done about him from the Knicks. No idea if NY can trade up but it seems like they are targeting him.

Moving up that high will cost a bundle. However, since the Knicks have zero luck, an aggressive move like that may be the only way to fix the PG spot.