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martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:Rookie wrote:smackeddog wrote:Certainly seems like the initial reports/belief that the deal was close was BS pumped out by Ainge to get the press and fans to pressure Rose to give up the farm to get it done/over the line.Katz said in his athletic article that Ainge tends to make his demands then F's off and plays golf until they are met. What was he doing this past weekend? Off playing golf with Wade and the Jazz Owner (can't find the tweet now).
You can be sure none of it was leaking from NY. I never believed anything was close, only that conversation was had as far as what Utah would want in return. This is not close and might never be. I said as much on the other thread about a week and a half ago.
Yep, time to go back to concentrating on the lineup as is:
PG Brunson/ Rose/ McBride
SG Grimes/ IQ
SF RJ/ Fournier/ Cam
PF Randle/ Obi
C Mitch/ Hartenstein/ Sims
Odds are high Grimes isn't getting time unless Fournier is traded. And Leon will put a little pressure on Thibs to play Cam for no other reason than to give him some type of trade value.Will take one more yr for guys like Grimes & IQ to get big mins if not dealt in this Spida deal.
I feel the opposite, think Grimes will get as many or more minutes than Fournier. It's Cam that'll get the squeeze IMO
His way onto the lineup will be how strong he is looking defensively. Providing 3&D as a compliment to the other starters.
In a scenario where Rose is actually healthy. Brunson will get 30 plus mins at PG. Rose will get 20mins minimum between PG/SG. With Rose getting all the backup PG mins and some mins at the 2. That leaves SG mins for IQ, Grimes & Fournier. Fournier is set to make 36mil over the next 2 seasons. While Grimes is going into his soph. RJ will get about say 35mins per game to be conservative. That leaves 13mins at backup SF for Fournier. And at his cost will at least get another 13-15mins at SG. So if Rose was getting 15mins at PG and another 5mins at the 2. And Fournier getting 13-15mins at the 2. Would leave 28-30mins left over for IQ and Grimes. IQ would command 20mins of that to be conservative. Leaving 8-10mins for Grimes. Injuries would obviously be the way for Grimes to get bigger mins. But these are also conservative mpg estimations. Brunson could get 36-38mpg, RJ can get 36-38mpg, Fournier could get 29-30mpg, Rose could get 24-26mpg. In that scenario which is very possible. IQ would be the one the clean up the rest of the mpg scraps for the shorter rotation.
I know this will never happen, but I wonder if it would make more sense to bring Julius off the bench (heard this idea on the Game Theory podcast) if a Spida deal is done. I'm not saying a major cut in minutes, but more of a sixth man role. The thinking is that Randle operating in the mid post would hamper spacing for JB and Mitchell cuts into the paint. It could get worse if Randle's three point shooting doesn't bounce back. Brunson is a solid three point shóoter, but why relegate him to spotting up on corner threes when he's one of the team's best initiators. Conversely, Randle can continue doing his thing, whatever that is, anchoring the second unit. He can spin and throw passes out of bounds to his heart's delight. While Obi's three point shooting is balky, his off ball movement is already top notch. He is smart enough to move and provide passing outlets to the main penetrators on the team.
Another thing to consider is that Mr. Keller, the Knicks newest addition at center, might be the better fit in the starting lineup. I know, it looks bad to extend Mitch just to bench him. But iHart potentially spaces the floor off of his passing alone in the high post. If he adds more volume to his three point attempts while maintaining an average level of efficiency, it would do wonders for spacing.Fournier and Randle off bench with the other moves needed to make this happen would be very nice.
Randle fits better with IHart than Mitch too
Yeah, but you can make the case that JB/Mitchell also fit better with iHart than Mitch too
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:Rookie wrote:smackeddog wrote:Certainly seems like the initial reports/belief that the deal was close was BS pumped out by Ainge to get the press and fans to pressure Rose to give up the farm to get it done/over the line.Katz said in his athletic article that Ainge tends to make his demands then F's off and plays golf until they are met. What was he doing this past weekend? Off playing golf with Wade and the Jazz Owner (can't find the tweet now).
You can be sure none of it was leaking from NY. I never believed anything was close, only that conversation was had as far as what Utah would want in return. This is not close and might never be. I said as much on the other thread about a week and a half ago.
Yep, time to go back to concentrating on the lineup as is:
PG Brunson/ Rose/ McBride
SG Grimes/ IQ
SF RJ/ Fournier/ Cam
PF Randle/ Obi
C Mitch/ Hartenstein/ Sims
Odds are high Grimes isn't getting time unless Fournier is traded. And Leon will put a little pressure on Thibs to play Cam for no other reason than to give him some type of trade value.Will take one more yr for guys like Grimes & IQ to get big mins if not dealt in this Spida deal.
I feel the opposite, think Grimes will get as many or more minutes than Fournier. It's Cam that'll get the squeeze IMO
His way onto the lineup will be how strong he is looking defensively. Providing 3&D as a compliment to the other starters.
In a scenario where Rose is actually healthy. Brunson will get 30 plus mins at PG. Rose will get 20mins minimum between PG/SG. With Rose getting all the backup PG mins and some mins at the 2. That leaves SG mins for IQ, Grimes & Fournier. Fournier is set to make 36mil over the next 2 seasons. While Grimes is going into his soph. RJ will get about say 35mins per game to be conservative. That leaves 13mins at backup SF for Fournier. And at his cost will at least get another 13-15mins at SG. So if Rose was getting 15mins at PG and another 5mins at the 2. And Fournier getting 13-15mins at the 2. Would leave 28-30mins left over for IQ and Grimes. IQ would command 20mins of that to be conservative. Leaving 8-10mins for Grimes. Injuries would obviously be the way for Grimes to get bigger mins. But these are also conservative mpg estimations. Brunson could get 36-38mpg, RJ can get 36-38mpg, Fournier could get 29-30mpg, Rose could get 24-26mpg. In that scenario which is very possible. IQ would be the one the clean up the rest of the mpg scraps for the shorter rotation.
I know this will never happen, but I wonder if it would make more sense to bring Julius off the bench (heard this idea on the Game Theory podcast) if a Spida deal is done. I'm not saying a major cut in minutes, but more of a sixth man role. The thinking is that Randle operating in the mid post would hamper spacing for JB and Mitchell cuts into the paint. It could get worse if Randle's three point shooting doesn't bounce back. Brunson is a solid three point shóoter, but why relegate him to spotting up on corner threes when he's one of the team's best initiators. Conversely, Randle can continue doing his thing, whatever that is, anchoring the second unit. He can spin and throw passes out of bounds to his heart's delight. While Obi's three point shooting is balky, his off ball movement is already top notch. He is smart enough to move and provide passing outlets to the main penetrators on the team.
Another thing to consider is that Mr. Keller, the Knicks newest addition at center, might be the better fit in the starting lineup. I know, it looks bad to extend Mitch just to bench him. But iHart potentially spaces the floor off of his passing alone in the high post. If he adds more volume to his three point attempts while maintaining an average level of efficiency, it would do wonders for spacing.Fournier and Randle off bench with the other moves needed to make this happen would be very nice.
Randle fits better with IHart than Mitch too
Yeah, but you can make the case that JB/Mitchell also fit better with iHart than Mitch too
In the back of my mind I think the FO re-upped Mitch cause you don't want to lose him for nothing.
Similarly, I think they hope iHart pans out and you have a different version of Mitch in Sims as Hart's backup.
You can move Mitch later if it's appropriate. I think that's what the FO is hoping for.
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:Rookie wrote:smackeddog wrote:Certainly seems like the initial reports/belief that the deal was close was BS pumped out by Ainge to get the press and fans to pressure Rose to give up the farm to get it done/over the line.Katz said in his athletic article that Ainge tends to make his demands then F's off and plays golf until they are met. What was he doing this past weekend? Off playing golf with Wade and the Jazz Owner (can't find the tweet now).
You can be sure none of it was leaking from NY. I never believed anything was close, only that conversation was had as far as what Utah would want in return. This is not close and might never be. I said as much on the other thread about a week and a half ago.
Yep, time to go back to concentrating on the lineup as is:
PG Brunson/ Rose/ McBride
SG Grimes/ IQ
SF RJ/ Fournier/ Cam
PF Randle/ Obi
C Mitch/ Hartenstein/ Sims
Odds are high Grimes isn't getting time unless Fournier is traded. And Leon will put a little pressure on Thibs to play Cam for no other reason than to give him some type of trade value.Will take one more yr for guys like Grimes & IQ to get big mins if not dealt in this Spida deal.
I feel the opposite, think Grimes will get as many or more minutes than Fournier. It's Cam that'll get the squeeze IMO
His way onto the lineup will be how strong he is looking defensively. Providing 3&D as a compliment to the other starters.
In a scenario where Rose is actually healthy. Brunson will get 30 plus mins at PG. Rose will get 20mins minimum between PG/SG. With Rose getting all the backup PG mins and some mins at the 2. That leaves SG mins for IQ, Grimes & Fournier. Fournier is set to make 36mil over the next 2 seasons. While Grimes is going into his soph. RJ will get about say 35mins per game to be conservative. That leaves 13mins at backup SF for Fournier. And at his cost will at least get another 13-15mins at SG. So if Rose was getting 15mins at PG and another 5mins at the 2. And Fournier getting 13-15mins at the 2. Would leave 28-30mins left over for IQ and Grimes. IQ would command 20mins of that to be conservative. Leaving 8-10mins for Grimes. Injuries would obviously be the way for Grimes to get bigger mins. But these are also conservative mpg estimations. Brunson could get 36-38mpg, RJ can get 36-38mpg, Fournier could get 29-30mpg, Rose could get 24-26mpg. In that scenario which is very possible. IQ would be the one the clean up the rest of the mpg scraps for the shorter rotation.
I know this will never happen, but I wonder if it would make more sense to bring Julius off the bench (heard this idea on the Game Theory podcast) if a Spida deal is done. I'm not saying a major cut in minutes, but more of a sixth man role. The thinking is that Randle operating in the mid post would hamper spacing for JB and Mitchell cuts into the paint. It could get worse if Randle's three point shooting doesn't bounce back. Brunson is a solid three point shóoter, but why relegate him to spotting up on corner threes when he's one of the team's best initiators. Conversely, Randle can continue doing his thing, whatever that is, anchoring the second unit. He can spin and throw passes out of bounds to his heart's delight. While Obi's three point shooting is balky, his off ball movement is already top notch. He is smart enough to move and provide passing outlets to the main penetrators on the team.
Another thing to consider is that Mr. Keller, the Knicks newest addition at center, might be the better fit in the starting lineup. I know, it looks bad to extend Mitch just to bench him. But iHart potentially spaces the floor off of his passing alone in the high post. If he adds more volume to his three point attempts while maintaining an average level of efficiency, it would do wonders for spacing.Fournier and Randle off bench with the other moves needed to make this happen would be very nice.
Randle fits better with IHart than Mitch too
Yeah, but you can make the case that JB/Mitchell also fit better with iHart than Mitch tooIn the back of my mind I think the FO re-upped Mitch cause you don't want to lose him for nothing.
Similarly, I think they hope iHart pans out and you have a different version of Mitch in Sims as Hart's backup.
You can move Mitch later if it's appropriate. I think that's what the FO is hoping for.
+100
And his GF is pretty cute!
SergioNYK wrote:I think we will be content with Brunson as long as we don't have these crazy expectations of him being the second coming of Isiah Thomas (the player, not the GM). He's clearly a hardworking kid with a good support system and background. Getting $105M contract being a 6'1" second round draft pick is almost impossible. I think he has the right personality and temperament for NYC too.And his GF is pretty cute!
Thats on fans drinking the Media cool aid, get all sugar high then media tears them down. Your right, but fans don’t matter on the court.
Brunsons girl might be super bright, will look good for years and be the real thing. IHarts girl? She full type model with great face who maybe a great girl, but in 10 eyars she gonna fill out and not be what most are drooling over. Granted, she might be the best person, we just going on looks, not content.
Lets Hope all leadership and goodness that is Jalen is the kind of player that is a leader and makes all around better! Hope we got a Lowrey type player not past his apex, but a type of guy still on the way up.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Chandler wrote:lately i've been thinking of the Brunson Conley comparisonYounger Conley probably better at D, Brunson probably better in midrange and near rim
Brunson’s tape last year he reminds me of baron davis. At least that may be his ceiling
Baron Davis was far more athletically explosive then Brunson. Brunson in my opinion is more like Mike Bibby. Mike was hell of a player! Durable until his ATL days at age 32. By the time he got to us he was done.
Baron in Charlotte was a physically dominant guard who exploded to the rim. Think Kyrie but stronger. THat kind of player. Bibby was crafty with good range. Brunson a hybrid of Tony Parker (pts in the paint) and Bibby. Still early in his career to fully evaluate. Quick, fundamentally sound, good vision and good leadership.
