Knicks · 2023 NBA Draft. The "Double Draft" (page 1)

GustavBahler @ 7/7/2022 9:49 PM


That info might need updating. Any posters have some prospects to keep an eye on this season? If there was a draft where the FO might do something bold, its this one.

Rose, with his scouting connections, from his time as a super-agent, might pay big dividends.

franco12 @ 7/7/2022 10:27 PM
right now, I don't see how we pick players in this draft. We don't have room on the roster. We don't have room on the depth chart.

To me, these are going to be traded, either mid year, or hopefully to try and move up in the draft.

GustavBahler @ 7/7/2022 10:34 PM
franco12 wrote:right now, I don't see how we pick players in this draft. We don't have room on the roster. We don't have room on the depth chart.

To me, these are going to be traded, either mid year, or hopefully to try and move up in the draft.

I dont see Rose passing up on a player who looks like he could be something special. With all these draft picks, and his history of scouting prospects.

When was the last time we traded up? We will likely pick worse than last season. Would be surprised if Rose punts again.

GustavBahler @ 7/7/2022 11:22 PM
Did a quick search, from CBS sports...


2023 NBA Mock Draft

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Rockets

Victor Wembanyama (Boulogne-Levallois Metropolitans 92)
A 7-foot-2 center, Wembanyama has for several years now been considered one of the most prized prospects in all of basketball. He's a game-changing defensive prospect similar to this year's No. 2 overall pick Chet Holmgren -- only with more length. His offensive versatility allows him to score it anywhere on the court.2

Thunder

Scoot Henderson (G League Ignite)
Henderson ranks No. 1 among non-Wembanyama prospects in this class. He starred this past season as a 17-year-old with G League Ignite and has the passing and scoring arsenal to be one of the most polished offensive prospects in the draft.3

Kings

Ausar Thompson (Overtime Elite)
One-season stints with Overtime Elite did not do particularly well for the draft stock of Jean Montero or Dom Barlow -- two players with first-round potential who went undrafted -- but Ausar and twin brother, Amen, are so obviously lotto talents that competition they face over the next year won't matter. Ausar has great positional length and amazing defensive potential.4

Spurs

Nick Smith (Arkansas)
Smith has always been considered an elite talent but has really ascended the last year, going from a sub-25 level recruit to the No. 3 player in his class. He's a smooth combo guard who can handle and score on an Arkansas team that features backcourt talent as well as any team in college hoops.5

Magic

Amen Thompson (Overtime Elite)
Amen, the twin of brother Ausar, is a lotto talent as well with the positional size and length to be a difference-maker at the guard spot. He flashed some really impressive playmaking skills over the last year and could give his brother, who right now is seen as the better prospect, a run for his money as he continues to develop.6

Pacers

Cameron Whitmore (Villanova)
Whitmore didn't finish his high school career as a top-10 talent, but he's already making his case as a top-10 pick in 2023 after a strong summer with Team USA. Good-sized wing who has a slasher's mentality and plays with an edge. Perfect fit with Villanova -- and fits the archetype of a wing the NBA values.7

Pistons

Cason Wallace (Kentucky)
Wallace is an elite prospect who finished his high school career as a top-10 recruit in his class. He is expected to be a plug-and-play starter at Kentucky and should be considered a top-10 talent in the 2023 class because of his defensive skills and all-around scoring ability.8

Hornets

Dariq Whitehead (Duke)
Whitehead finished as the No. 2 player in his high school recruiting class in the Composite rankings. He has ideal positional size, bursty athleticism and defensive versatility that Duke -- and soon, an NBA team -- will really value.9

Trail Blazers

Anthony Black (Arkansas)
The appeal here with Black lies in his versatility as a combo guard with great size capable of playing both on and off the ball. He's spent most of the last year transitioning to playing point full time, a role which at Arkansas could help him shine for NBA decision-makers. There's not a ton of explosiveness to his game, but he has the finesse, positional size and passing that reminds of Cade Cunningham.10

Wizards

Keyonte George (Baylor)
A McDonald's All-American who has for several years been considered a one-and-done lottery talent, George is an impressive scoring guard who should be in line to put up big numbers right away at Baylor. Grooming his all-around offensive game will be key, but he's a sniper with range who can get a bucket from anywhere.11

Jazz

Dillon Mitchell (Texas)
Mitchell was one of the lowest-rated four-star prospects less than two years ago, but has blossomed into a bona fide five-star who finished as the No. 5 player in the 2022 recruiting class. The Montverde Academy product is a top shelf athlete with great length and defensive chops. He will need to improve his scoring to validate lottery standing.12

Magic

Dereck Lively (Duke)
This is a little low for Lively, the No. 1 player in the 247Sports Composite rankings, in part because in a vacuum I value wings and guards over centers. (Did you watch the NBA Finals? I rest my case!) Nevertheless, Lively could and should slip into the lottery. At 7-foot-1, he runs the floor at a high level and has the motor to be a difference-maker at and around the rim.13

Hawks

Arthur Kaluma (Creighton)
Kaluma finished his freshman season at Creighton on a high note and has continued on an upward trajectory this offseason, where he's shining for Nigeria in FIBA play. He's in line for a breakout sophomore season where his size and scoring could make him a lottery pick.14

Pelicans

Leonard Miller (G League Ignite)
Miller tested the NBA Draft and had some first-round buzz before ultimately withdrawing and committing to the G League Ignite, where he will spend the next season. The size, left-handed stroke and ability to create from his position are all interesting tools, though he is still a very raw prospect at this stage.15

Knicks

Kel'el Ware (Oregon)
Less than two years ago, Ware was not a top-100 talent -- now he's positioned himself as a potential top-10 NBA pick. His 7-foot frame carries immense potential even as he develops his game. At his size his movement and ball skills are talents worth betting on.16

Pacers

Terquavion Smith (NC State)
There was some real momentum for Smith in this year's NBA Draft after a strong showing at the combine where his athleticism flashed before he ultimately came back to school. He'll have a big chance to build on that next season at NC State as the focal point for Kevin Keatts' team.17

Heat

Julian Strawther (Gonzaga)
Strawther emerged from bit player to solid starter on a No. 1-seeded Gonzaga team last year and is now set to make another leap as a junior with the Zags. With Chet Holmgren and Andrew Nembhard gone, he'll have a chance to take on an expanded role playing on the ball and should see a healthy increase in production across the board.18

76ers

Jarace Walker (Houston)
Houston is bringing in a gem in Jarace Walker, who could be one of the most impactful freshmen in college hoops -- and for a Houston team that should be viewed as a contender. Big, strong and physically mature, Walker is a true four who could be a small-ball five at the next level because of his physicality.19

Timberwolves

Amari Bailey (UCLA)
There's a ton of expectations surrounding Bailey, a McDonald's All-American who was the No. 7 player in his class. I'm just a little skeptical he's ready to totally validate his lottery credentials. He'll need to prove he can consistently score it while developing his potential as a playmaker -- but first he'll need to be sound defensively to earn Mick Cronin's trust.20

Jazz

J.J. Starling (Notre Dame)
Notre Dame is getting a stud in Starling, a combo guard who can create off the bounce, get to the hoop and -- most importantly -- scores at a really high level. His inside-out game makes him an interesting projection to the NBA as someone who may be able to function as an score-first initiator.21

Raptors

Kyle Filipowski (Duke)
Duke will have a loaded roster next season and Filipowski figures to be a major piece of that in Year 1. He's a 6-11 center who has scoring range that extends beyond the 3-point line.22

Pelicans

Jordan Walsh (Arkansas)
A bouncy athlete who is one of *several* likely first-rounders from the University of Arkansas, Walsh has ideal size for a wing and a smooth jumper to boot.23

Grizzlies

Julian Phillips (Tennessee)
At 6-8, Phillips has a great frame for a wing and has the length and athleticism to be a potential lottery pick in next year's draft. Good slasher who can make things happen with or without the ball in his hands. Rick Barnes is going to love his game.24

Hornets

Gradey Dick (Kansas)
Dick is a deadeye shooter who can be a killer spot-up threat from anywhere on the court. At Kansas he'll need to show potential of adding off the bounce as a creator for himself and others, something that has popped on his high school tape in spurts and makes me think he's more than just a shooter.25

Knicks

Harrison Ingram (Stanford)
Ingram had a one-and-done-caliber season with Stanford, but came back to school to improve his draft stock. A big-bodied wing, he has very interesting playmaking skills at his size and projects neatly as an NBA wing if his shot can continue to improve.26

Rockets

Kris Murray (Iowa)
Keegan Murray had a breakout season for Iowa last season, and Kris Murray will have a breakout season for Iowa this season. The 6-foot-8 combo forward may have been draftable this year but came back to school and will be able to assert himself as a potential No. 1 option at Iowa next year.27

Clippers

Chris Livingston (Kentucky)
Armed with an improved jumper and a big opportunity, Livingston is one of the true wild cards in the 2023 NBA Draft. Could be a lottery pick, could go late first. Definitely has the physical tools and athleticism to be a prototypical wing the NBA covets. He'll need to put it all together on a consistent basis to earn John Calipari's trust.28

Warriors

Marcus Sasser (Houston)
Sasser was tracking toward All-American status at Houston last season before an injury derailed his season. He then really flashed at the NBA Draft Combine, making it a tougher-than-expected stay-or-go decision from him. Coming back to school he'll be the star of a top-10 Cougars team with his elite ability to score.29

Celtics

Nolan Hickman (Gonzaga)
There's a big opportunity awaiting Hickman with the departure of Andrew Nembhard to take the reins of Gonzaga's high-powered offense. Hickman isn't an elite athlete, but he's a solid lead guard who could really make a leap in Year 2 under Mark Few.30

Suns

Matthew Cleveland (Florida State)
Cleveland was someone I really liked coming into last season at Florida State, and now he's in a position to potentially fulfill his expectations as a sophomore. His shot needs to improve dramatically, but he has the frame and rebounding I value in wings.

Order determined by SportsLine 2023 projections 

For those of you who cant get enough of French draft picks. He's a project (like Mitch)
If Mitch could only play PF, that would be one scary frontcourt.


Rookie @ 7/7/2022 11:22 PM
The key words here are ‘may be’. They haven’t voted on allowing high school age players into the draft and it might not ever happen. As it stands right now, there have been no changes to eligibility for the 2023 draft
GustavBahler @ 7/7/2022 11:25 PM
Rookie wrote:The key words here are ‘may be’. They haven’t voted on allowing high school age players into the draft and it might not ever happen. As it stands right now, there have been no changes to eligibility for the 2023 draft

Got it. Silver isnt shy about changing things up, so it might happen.

BRIGGS @ 7/7/2022 11:34 PM
looks built like kareem
Moonangie @ 7/8/2022 10:20 AM
We only have two first rounders in 2023? I thought we picked up a coupe more recently.
BigDaddyG @ 7/8/2022 11:47 AM
Moonangie wrote:We only have two first rounders in 2023? I thought we picked up a coupe more recently.

They have two protected picks that are unlikely to convey this year.

martin @ 7/8/2022 12:05 PM
One person's take:

franco12 @ 7/8/2022 12:16 PM
If this draft is that deep and that stacked, we should be tanking this year.
fishmike @ 7/8/2022 12:34 PM
martin wrote:One person's take:

its def more than one person's take.. we should have at least 2 picks in this draft, ours and Dallas (Det is lottery protected)

Even though we wont be picking near the tops there will be lottery level talent in the 20s we have pretty good scouts.

wargames @ 7/8/2022 4:02 PM
franco12 wrote:If this draft is that deep and that stacked, we should be tanking this year.

Knicks don’t tank… Dolan is too busy trying to sell tickets to do something like purposely make a bad product. All things considered if they don’t move the pick in a trade for a young win now player, they’ll probably combine them to move up into the late lottery and grab another wing.

GustavBahler @ 7/8/2022 5:19 PM
wargames wrote:
franco12 wrote:If this draft is that deep and that stacked, we should be tanking this year.

Knicks don’t tank… Dolan is too busy trying to sell tickets to do something like purposely make a bad product. All things considered if they don’t move the pick in a trade for a young win now player, they’ll probably combine them to move up into the late lottery and grab another wing.

I'd rather see the Knicks stockpile draft picks, move up in the draft (if its doable) than tank.
When was the last time we picked higher than the odds? Never. The rule changes dont make it any easier.

I do believe there has been a gradual culture change away from signing aging stars to bad deals, trading away first rounders to get them. To focusing more on developing draft picks, making sensible trades. FA signings.

We've had trouble attracting elite FAs. Tanking wont help. Brunson signing with NY might not open the floodgates, so to speak. But having a respected PG as a floor general, the Knicks punching above their weight in the playoffs. Will accomplish more in the long run than tanking

Nalod @ 7/8/2022 9:47 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
wargames wrote:
franco12 wrote:If this draft is that deep and that stacked, we should be tanking this year.

Knicks don’t tank… Dolan is too busy trying to sell tickets to do something like purposely make a bad product. All things considered if they don’t move the pick in a trade for a young win now player, they’ll probably combine them to move up into the late lottery and grab another wing.

I'd rather see the Knicks stockpile draft picks, move up in the draft (if its doable) than tank.
When was the last time we picked higher than the odds? Never. The rule changes dont make it any easier.

I do believe there has been a gradual culture change away from signing aging stars to bad deals, trading away first rounders to get them. To focusing more on developing draft picks, making sensible trades. FA signings.

We've had trouble attracting elite FAs. Tanking wont help. Brunson signing with NY might not open the floodgates, so to speak. But having a respected PG as a floor general, the Knicks punching above their weight in the playoffs. Will accomplish more in the long run than tanking



Moving up is a great risk and rare. Not much happend. Now, Ivey was available? Or not at the price that was made? He is good but he could be a bust. And there are the Oka4’s, Bennets, Odens, etc. To give up proven assets and picks for unproven is a tough call.
Tanking? We fans place a big premium on the future hope. “Fire the coach” with no regard to whom the new coach is. “Clean the FO”, same thing. Like the new one will erase the old.

After the draft some were calling or Leons head already.

Tanking? 45% of success if your the worst team to get top pick. Its the best odds, but not enough to tank.

EwingsGlass @ 7/8/2022 9:59 PM
Nick Smith is the guy catching my eye in that group. Not a ton of tape but seems to have superior athleticism, a quick bounce, good size and length from the guard slot. Solid shooting. Really good body control. Reminds me of the things I liked about Shaeden Sharpe.
GustavBahler @ 7/8/2022 11:04 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
wargames wrote:
franco12 wrote:If this draft is that deep and that stacked, we should be tanking this year.

Knicks don’t tank… Dolan is too busy trying to sell tickets to do something like purposely make a bad product. All things considered if they don’t move the pick in a trade for a young win now player, they’ll probably combine them to move up into the late lottery and grab another wing.

I'd rather see the Knicks stockpile draft picks, move up in the draft (if its doable) than tank.
When was the last time we picked higher than the odds? Never. The rule changes dont make it any easier.

I do believe there has been a gradual culture change away from signing aging stars to bad deals, trading away first rounders to get them. To focusing more on developing draft picks, making sensible trades. FA signings.

We've had trouble attracting elite FAs. Tanking wont help. Brunson signing with NY might not open the floodgates, so to speak. But having a respected PG as a floor general, the Knicks punching above their weight in the playoffs. Will accomplish more in the long run than tanking



Moving up is a great risk and rare. Not much happend. Now, Ivey was available? Or not at the price that was made? He is good but he could be a bust. And there are the Oka4’s, Bennets, Odens, etc. To give up proven assets and picks for unproven is a tough call.
Tanking? We fans place a big premium on the future hope. “Fire the coach” with no regard to whom the new coach is. “Clean the FO”, same thing. Like the new one will erase the old.

After the draft some were calling or Leons head already.

Tanking? 45% of success if your the worst team to get top pick. Its the best odds, but not enough to tank.

Rose's track record as a super-agent, his ability to find talent, is why I'd like to see him roll the dice. If he sees a prospect(s) he believes is worth the risk. Trading up is risky, but we really havent gone that route enough to say its a bad idea.

KnickDanger @ 7/9/2022 8:50 AM
July and some are already talking tanking. Sheesh.
martin @ 9/6/2022 10:14 PM
7’4” BAREFOOT!?!?

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