Knicks · Knicks in on Mitchell trade (page 16)

Kemet @ 7/15/2022 9:11 PM
Clean wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Kemet wrote:Just say NO to the Jazz and keep on stepping! Why?
Kemba instead of Payton ..
Fournier instead of Bullocks ..
Cam 2 yr contract instead of Knox one yr contract.
In Knicks previous season ....
Kemba Fournier Barrett Randle MitchRob were a .400 performing lineup.
D.Rose Quickley Burks Obi and Taj or Sims were a .550 performing lineup.

Plus, 2 season ago Brunson's top performance on the Mavs equal Grimes rookie performance, and I like McBride performance more than Grimes.

We need to start a McBride community. Since draft night I feel like I’ve been on an island rooting for him to make the team. Knick fans are trashing McBride like he’s a bum. Even if hes only a career bench player, and he’s not a pure PG(news flash pure points have all retired except for CP) he’s a winner that makes winning plays and he’s cheap. I don’t get the hate on bride. All I said was he’s one of many winning plays. We need unselfish winners who plays hard on every play on the bench READY TO EAT. Not in the Gleague. And I’m adding another player for the record. My man Hunt! I’m ready to start this youth movement with or without Randle.

This is not true at all. I am right there with you. From the beginning I wanted to draft him and been singing his praises as his game is all out winning. People think because I point out things he needs to work on I am talking bad about him. I just want him to improve his weaknesses so he can reach his potential. If he ever figures out how to reliably breakdown the defense he jumps up to one of our best prospects.

Rookie McBride's development to advance his offensive moves in NBA ball should've been throughout the Knicks midseason games as a replacement for Kemba in Thibs dog-house, or a replacement for injury D.Rose bench lineup.
I would have been happy in the offseason if the Knicks FO would've put all their energy into hiring head coach Snyder. Rather than talk to Ainge.

McBride, Grimes, Sims, Toppin, and Quickley are future winners for the Knicks organization, and the only reason why Leon/Perry still have a job for the Knicks. Because Thibs no strategic offense and under development program for young players will get them fired soon.
And Randle & Barrett poor leadership towards teammates, especially the young players have been no help to the Knicks success by both players having an individual attitude and performance each game (No chemistry).

BigDaddyG @ 7/15/2022 9:14 PM
Clean wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
The Hawks have acquired Dejounte Murray from the San Antonio Spurs for Charlotte’s 2023 first round pick, unprotected first round picks in 2025 and 2027, Danilo Gallinari, and a pick swap, according to Adrian Wojna

I feel like this should be the broad outline for the trade. Murray and Mitchell are much more similar players and Knicks own picks are slightly more valuable than Atlanta's.

Notice how they did not get picks, swaps and young talent. Give them picks and swaps but the only young talent they get is cam. We need the young talent we have to fill the roster out.

Mitchell is better than Murray, or at least has been performing at a high level for a longer period time and is locked up on a longer deal. Dejounta can Now is he 5 first rounders better? That's debatable.

wargames @ 7/15/2022 9:16 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:

Look at the Nets trying to force the Knicks into a bad trade like they did with Melo. To bad they have no tradable assets besides Durant.

TLover @ 7/15/2022 9:17 PM
A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Panos @ 7/15/2022 9:59 PM
TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Ha! I was thinking the same thought

Allanfan20 @ 7/15/2022 10:14 PM
TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Marbles and Francis were both well in the back-9 of their careers. We don’t know if DM has hit his prime and I think the majority of people think that JB has not come close to that yet. The 2 back-courts don’t compare.

With that said, I am still not a fan of a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt.

smackeddog @ 7/16/2022 4:42 AM
TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Or even Marbury/Crawford

smackeddog @ 7/16/2022 5:12 AM
Would you rather include:

Only RJ

OR

Grimes, IQ AND Obi

?

franco12 @ 7/16/2022 5:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:Would you rather include:

Only RJ

OR

Grimes, IQ AND Obi

?

I'd be OK with either, I just can't also include all the draft picks.

Nalod @ 7/16/2022 8:15 AM
blkexec wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Ridiculous full court press by the media, don't think I've ever seen anything like it, why don't they go pressure the Nets to do a Kyrie trade to the lakers

Exactly and why I like this FO. They don’t bend or jump to a shiny toy based on media or fan pressure. For once we have a competent FO. Donnie Walsh was also good at making competent decisions. But Rose is playing this exactly how he should. We hold the cards not Ainge…..especially now that the cat is out the bag and Donovan knows they actively trying to trade him. If I was him I wouldn’t play a single game in utah. Ainge will have to give in.
If we don’t get D.Mitchell that’s a win for us. NOW all nba teams know where to turn when trying to off load their star and rebuild. Knicks don’t need a 3rd party like Miami and others do. Be patient and wait until a deal is available that’s in our favor for once. #ILOVEIT

LIke I said, media laughs either way.

There is a deal and we have the assets to do it only if we are left with a good team in the aftermath.
It’s what’s left over that matters as much, or more than what we paid. If the trade does not make us better then we should not do it. Donovan is a hell of a player. So was Melo. We failed to field a team that took us further. Melo was the best player in the trade and we did make the playoffs. But the team could not sustain success as it lacked the resources of trade fodder and picks after.

I know it, most of you know it and yes knicks know this plenty. Starphuchs come and go. We can’t go deep in to our picks. Fair value might be higher than what is comfortable but it’s fair value. WE not privy to the details so its hard to say at this point if Leon is trying to steal him or Ainge is delusional.

Donovan is a top 20 player and only 25.

Nalod @ 7/16/2022 9:57 AM
Good stuff here. I can’t prescribe to deductive reasoning that since the still very young MCBride could be better than Grimes, and Grimes rookie year was similar to Donovans, that we stand pat.

A McBride community will not influence his play or Thibs affections for him. A community of circle jerk love is not constructive conversation if you think he needs to still improve and reject the commentary that speaks to it. I have not read any “bashing” of him here, just that he is offensively not complete. The notion is “If he played more he would be so much better but thibs is thwarting his progress?”

My take is when a player does advance, most often he needed to learn it then practice it before he executes in live games. Just an opinion. So if you have a community would that be a “We love Deuce and Thibs is standing between him and success”? Lol……..

IQ is not nearly as athletic/fast/powerful as Donovan in my opinion. I like IQ, I don’t see the upside as much as some others. He is succeeded and doing so above and beyond his draft status. He is is traded to Utah he could be a nice stat guy on a shitty team.

RJ got fed the developmental time we wished for IQ, Obi and Deuce? I’m not saying we tanked, but RJ got fed and it might have caused us some games. He had some good “winning” moments in games that did matter. That’s how one should develop. Tanking in the age of flatter lotto odds is not a good idea. And yes, OBI, Grimes, Deuce and IQ all got bigger roles. Was it by design? No, the team faltered and injuries matter. But plan B was all that.

My take is extend RJ because if we get Donovan, and with Brunson in place he won’t have that kind of touches next season and I don’t want him playing for contract.

Which leads me to Randle and why he was frustrated. If the team was in a developmental mode last year given some injuries and the focus was on getting EF in synch, and elevating RJ, then Randles issue was either feeling like he was demoted or if wired properly hated not being able to win as they did the year before. Armed with his contract we can take out the monetary thing. He has his deal. We never read he was a bad locker room guy or wanted out. He wanted “We here” and “we weren’t”?

Just a guess as much as any. Fact is “he still here” for now. In retrospect we saw Mook Morris light it up when given touches but it was a nice run in his career. I think the elements of Randle at that moment in time, with that line up, in empty arena, with new coach, with low expectations, and the chemistry of Bullock and even ELf all worked. Can one really say Bullock was the missing key when Elf was a big part of that teams chemistry? That he was on Dallas that did great in playoffs confirm something that the Atlanta series showed?

COYT Thibs “We here” season was on paper great because of the 4 seed but ATL demonstrated its flaws. We failed to execute a fix last year. Fire the coach? FO? Or keep on trying?

Or keep playing deuce and the other kids over the next few years? It’s a nice thought, but really if they don’t pan out you have other big ass issues.

Some media says we paid the price to get those picks and need to come up with something. Media can’t get anyone excited about punting or kicking the can down the road. It’s too easy to get nasty on that stuff.

Good chess players, are steps ahead. Great Chess players see paths to victory but considers the counter moves that are not in our control. They can play a long long ass game, or go for a victory with consequences if not achieved.
WE just don’t know the game Leon and Company are playing do we? Him and Ainge are sitting at the table in a match. Both see a path to winning. Fans things its about the transaction. It’s far more that that. Both have different definitions and paths with varied timelines. Both run entertainment companies as well.

Ainge has an Allstate game and will the basketball world will be in Utah talking about what he is doing. At the same time its all about raising ratings over the next few years and keeping the seats full. Same for Leon. Can you do it while Duece is 22 and learning, IQ, OBI and Simms? Fan favorites. Or go with a mix of proven talent and rising stars.

Philc1 @ 7/16/2022 10:00 AM
Mitchell needs the ball in his hands. It’s not going to work out with him being a full time shooting guard. This is a disaster in the making
Philc1 @ 7/16/2022 10:03 AM
Ainge wants 6x first rd picks plus Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride etc

Trade talks stalled thank God

https://nypost.com/2022/07/15/knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-talks-stall-with-jazz/amp/

martin @ 7/16/2022 11:07 AM
I’m kinda in this boat

Jimbo5 @ 7/16/2022 11:14 AM
Im getting worried, reports coming out the the Heat are starting to make some moves to get enough draft picks to swoop in and trade for Mitchell. I hate this dragging negotiations,it gives time for the heat and nets towork out something to meet the asks of Ainge. I know if the knicks really want Mitchell they have to overpay. As of now the knick are presumed favorites to land him. But the heat is lurking behind the shadows.
jaydh @ 7/16/2022 11:43 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:Im getting worried, reports coming out the the Heat are starting to make some moves to get enough draft picks to swoop in and trade for Mitchell. I hate this dragging negotiations,it gives time for the heat and nets towork out something to meet the asks of Ainge. I know if the knicks really want Mitchell they have to overpay. As of now the knick are presumed favorites to land him. But the heat is lurking behind the shadows.

then let the Heat have him. there is no need to pay inflation prices.

Clean @ 7/16/2022 11:49 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:Im getting worried, reports coming out the the Heat are starting to make some moves to get enough draft picks to swoop in and trade for Mitchell. I hate this dragging negotiations,it gives time for the heat and nets towork out something to meet the asks of Ainge. I know if the knicks really want Mitchell they have to overpay. As of now the knick are presumed favorites to land him. But the heat is lurking behind the shadows.

Don't listen to those reports. If the heat don't have assets for a trade where are they going to get assets for picks to then trade? This is how they want to pressure us into overpaying. I don't care even if the Heat somehow tricks a team into trading assets for their trash. You don't do a bad deal just because someone else might do the bad deal before you. If we give the Jazz what they want we will have no way of improving the roster. Our young core who has been the good players we have had for the last two years would be gone and picks to draft more players would also be gone. We would be over the cap also. It is not worth it.

Clean @ 7/16/2022 11:49 AM
jaydh wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Im getting worried, reports coming out the the Heat are starting to make some moves to get enough draft picks to swoop in and trade for Mitchell. I hate this dragging negotiations,it gives time for the heat and nets towork out something to meet the asks of Ainge. I know if the knicks really want Mitchell they have to overpay. As of now the knick are presumed favorites to land him. But the heat is lurking behind the shadows.

then let the Heat have him. there is no need to pay inflation prices.


This exactly!
ESOMKnicks @ 7/16/2022 12:29 PM
martin wrote:I’m kinda in this boat

Our roster right now is at best what Toronto's was last year. The Raptors last year won 48 games and got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs in 6 games. That's our ceiling for next season.

Van Vleet = Brunson
Gary Trent Jr > Fournier
OG = RJ
Siakam = Randle
Khem Birch/Precious Achiwa < Robinson/Hartenstein
Scottie Barnes >>> Obi Toppin

blkexec @ 7/16/2022 12:38 PM
A McBride community will not influence his play[/b] or Thibs affections for him.

I’m watching my son play at Towson so I don’t have time to respond to everything you said which is good stuff and invites conversation.

But I’m not sure where you got this notion that a McBride community has anything to do with influencing his play. Like how is that even possible? And who said this?

A McBride community (I’m assuming u responding to me) is a group of knick fans or non knick fans who are fans of deuce can objectively talk about him, without other people trying to focus on what knick fans say about a player. This forum is a community of knick fans who talk about Knicks. That’s not a crime to show love for your team. When did it become a negative to talk positive about a player. John starks is my favorite player. Is it wrong to create a community of john starks fans who enjoys his play? We have to stop this. This is a knick forum of people who would like to talk about players or teams without any negative under tones.

And deuce has been beat up several times by knick fans all the time. If you are pro thibs, you believe he has don’t s great job with deuce and you believe deuce wasn’t ready since thibs didn’t play him. If your not a thibs fan, you believe how he handled deuce has been terrible.

Your circle jerk reference is very disturbing on so many levels. What are you 12? With your definition circle jerking is something you do everytime you sign in and make a post. 🤣

I don’t care if your name was blank. If blank plays hard on offense and defense I’m rooting for that player to succeed. Please explain the harm in that because I’m lost. I also like grimes and I’m starting to like him more than RJ. I still think deuce defensive energy and career could be aligned with Marcus smart. Oh guess what this team could use, a marcus smart type player. I don’t get it. Deuce is a knick, so he’s now family that’s it. Thibs is thibs, has nothing to do with how I feel about a player. That’s just my 2 cents.

I need to start a grimes thread. Seems like the more fans like a player, the more negative comments surrounds the fan. It’s really azz backwards to me.

Deuce is a solid role player I hope gets more playing time. You can keep the circle jerkoff comments to your self and your associates. I don’t entertain in that activity. 🤮

doomed @ 7/16/2022 12:38 PM
TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can’t take that.

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