Knicks · Knicks in on Mitchell trade (page 17)

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can’t take that.

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can’t take that.

😆 I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I’m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

Clean wrote:

jaydh wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Im getting worried, reports coming out the the Heat are starting to make some moves to get enough draft picks to swoop in and trade for Mitchell. I hate this dragging negotiations,it gives time for the heat and nets towork out something to meet the asks of Ainge. I know if the knicks really want Mitchell they have to overpay. As of now the knick are presumed favorites to land him. But the heat is lurking behind the shadows.

then let the Heat have him. there is no need to pay inflation prices.

This exactly!

Me too- stick to our price and walk away if Ainge wants to do his alpha trader routine where it's all about dominating and winning a nerdy negotiation. No interest in playing his games to boost his own insecurities. How many times did he refuse to pull off a trade for a star because he didn't want to include 2 of his precious first round picks treasure trove, now he expects us to give him 6 to 8. F*** off!

Like I said on earlier posts, I think there's a reasonable chance better fit players will become available. They might not be as flashy or as good at scoring as D-Mitch, but they could better 2 way players and could be better fits that could lead to better team success (SGA, OG, etc) along with developing our young players and drafting well.

This may be a dumb question- but what exactly happens in trade negotiations all day. Is it mainly small talk? Do they sit there in silence? do they try and persuade the other side all day? Does each side mainly talk among themselves or are they together most of the time? What are they actually talking about all this time?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:I’m kinda in this boat

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Our roster right now is at best what Toronto's was last year. The Raptors last year won 48 games and got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs in 6 games. That's our ceiling for next season.

Van Vleet = Brunson
Gary Trent Jr > Fournier
OG = RJ
Siakam = Randle
Khem Birch/Precious Achiwa < Robinson/Hartenstein
Scottie Barnes >>> Obi Toppin

That's also our ceiling next year if we trade the farm for D-Mitch, the fit of the team just won';t get the most out of the individual talents. Except we won't have 2 to 3 first round picks in a deep draft to help forge it into something better

smackeddog wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
Our roster right now is at best what Toronto's was last year. The Raptors last year won 48 games and got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs in 6 games. That's our ceiling for next season.

Van Vleet = Brunson
Gary Trent Jr > Fournier
OG = RJ
Siakam = Randle
Khem Birch/Precious Achiwa < Robinson/Hartenstein
Scottie Barnes >>> Obi Toppin

That's also our ceiling next year if we trade the farm for D-Mitch, the fit of the team just won';t get the most out of the individual talents. Except we won't have 2 to 3 first round picks in a deep draft to help forge it into something better

True as well.

blkexec wrote:

A McBride community will not influence his play[/b] or Thibs affections for him.

I’m watching my son play at Towson so I don’t have time to respond to everything you said which is good stuff and invites conversation.

But I’m not sure where you got this notion that a McBride community has anything to do with influencing his play. Like how is that even possible? And who said this?

A McBride community (I’m assuming u responding to me) is a group of knick fans or non knick fans who are fans of deuce can objectively talk about him, without other people trying to focus on what knick fans say about a player. This forum is a community of knick fans who talk about Knicks. That’s not a crime to show love for your team. When did it become a negative to talk positive about a player. John starks is my favorite player. Is it wrong to create a community of john starks fans who enjoys his play? We have to stop this. This is a knick forum of people who would like to talk about players or teams without any negative under tones.

And deuce has been beat up several times by knick fans all the time. If you are pro thibs, you believe he has don’t s great job with deuce and you believe deuce wasn’t ready since thibs didn’t play him. If your not a thibs fan, you believe how he handled deuce has been terrible.

Your circle jerk reference is very disturbing on so many levels. What are you 12? With your definition circle jerking is something you do everytime you sign in and make a post. 🤣

I don’t care if your name was blank. If blank plays hard on offense and defense I’m rooting for that player to succeed. Please explain the harm in that because I’m lost. I also like grimes and I’m starting to like him more than RJ. I still think deuce defensive energy and career could be aligned with Marcus smart. Oh guess what this team could use, a marcus smart type player. I don’t get it. Deuce is a knick, so he’s now family that’s it. Thibs is thibs, has nothing to do with how I feel about a player. That’s just my 2 cents.

I need to start a grimes thread. Seems like the more fans like a player, the more negative comments surrounds the fan. It’s really azz backwards to me.

Deuce is a solid role player I hope gets more playing time. You can keep the circle jerkoff comments to your self and your associates. I don’t entertain in that activity. 🤮

I use circle jerk about once every two months. But if its on your mind then perhap your homerism need be in check.
Nobody is hating on him and the rest of my response was about objective discussion. A group of “UltimateDeuce.com” won’t have objectivity. I repeat, nobody hates on him. For myself, I’m saying there is a pace to his improvement and its coming long just fine. But I dont’t know if he makes it. And nobody is saying to get rid of him.

Sorry your so offended by the reference of a bunch of guys standing around and getting of on each other getting off. It’s really gross isn’t it? Kind of like reading a bunch of Deuce fans getting into a frenzy of fandom and before you know it thibs should be fired for suppressing the future HOF that he is.
Wear that Deuce pride like a pearl necklace!

They say that miles is a bad mother……..
“But we talking about Deuce”…..
“We can dig it”

Maybe we move IQ to promote Deuce?

Can't speak for anyone else but this team for the first time in decades has draft capital, young vets like Randall, Mitchell, RJ, with promising players on the cone up like Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce with a potential big upside talentslike Cam Reddish along with, finally a steady and versatile point guard in Brunson with an abundance of first rounders and second rounders to use in trades or in drafts. Team is set up for long term success. Sure the draft is a crap shoot but just because we have a large cache of picks does not mean they are disposable and should be treated as such for a trade. Look at this off-season we signed Brunson a former second rounder and signed Hartenstein an other second rounder and are looking to trade for D Mitchell a player selected 12. Thus, our 22 picks going forward have value. They have value and Ainge wants them so we should not be willing to give them all up. Treat the pics and young players with care. If the trade is not fair to both sides we use our pics in the future or trade them. Lots of talent in the league find a young wing to play alongside RJ, a two way with size.

Did Ainge try to get Leon Rose Fired ASAP ???
What if, Leon would've accepted Ainge package for Donovan Mitchell ???
And the Knicks didn't have enough depth to make the playoff !!!

Guess Ainge must have had a day off yesterday, because there wasn't a single update on the negotiations yesterday

Kemet wrote:Did Ainge try to get Leon Rose Fired ASAP ???
What if, Leon would've accepted Ainge package for Donovan Mitchell ???
And the Knicks didn't have enough depth to make the playoff !!!

Well that’s the worst case scenario isn’t it? The Melo blueprint of sorts but a more modern version of it.
I think we would have better depth than that team. We filled the pantry this time and did make some good value picks that are useful roster players/trade fodder.

At least I hope we did!

With Melo, we did have Amare on his last legs but early in his deal but we needed to drag JR out of China (strike short year). Yes, I hope we are far more primed to do this deal and mover forward.

I trust media will not like any deal for Donovan.

blkexec wrote:

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can’t take that.

😆 I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I’m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

If we can make the trade without giving uo Quickley, Grimes, or Obi I'd be more willing to give up draft picks. Trading Obi will leave the team with zero depth at PF. One injury to Randle and the team is in trouble. I just don't think Mitchell is the right player for the roster. What this team needs is a 2 way SF. If the Brunson money was used on a player like that and Mitchell was penciled in at PG I'd be more open to giving up assets. It all comes back to poor drafts under previous regimes.

smackeddog wrote:Guess Ainge must have had a day off yesterday, because there wasn't a single update on the negotiations yesterday

Those Mormon services are big-time. I doubt Ainge has the energy for both.

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can;t take that.

; I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I;m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

If we can make the trade without giving uo Quickley, Grimes, or Obi I'd be more willing to give up draft picks. Trading Obi will leave the team with zero depth at PF. One injury to Randle and the team is in trouble. I just don't think Mitchell is the right player for the roster. What this team needs is a 2 way SF. If the Brunson money was used on a player like that and Mitchell was penciled in at PG I'd be more open to giving up assets. It all comes back to poor drafts under previous regimes.

iHart and/or Cam can back up the PF and Sims back up at C.
Not to say i want to trade Obi, just saying.

Again i just think the price for DM is outrageous.
No way i trade 4-6 completely unprotected picks AND all the youtes. Need some insurance against it all going wrong.
A lot of hope expressed that Randle gets better again next year. Let's say he doesn't. Let's say the mysterious ailment actually gets worse. Say it's psychological or drug related and he implodes. And you traded away everything to have a big 3 of Randle/DM/Brunson. Now you're left with just DM/Brunson and a bunch of scraps. And you traded away your resulting top 5 pick(s) to Utah.
I've said before, Eddy Curry taught us not to trade away unprotected picks. I haven't forgotten. Neither should the top brass

Panos wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can;t take that.

; I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I;m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

If we can make the trade without giving uo Quickley, Grimes, or Obi I'd be more willing to give up draft picks. Trading Obi will leave the team with zero depth at PF. One injury to Randle and the team is in trouble. I just don't think Mitchell is the right player for the roster. What this team needs is a 2 way SF. If the Brunson money was used on a player like that and Mitchell was penciled in at PG I'd be more open to giving up assets. It all comes back to poor drafts under previous regimes.

iHart and/or Cam can back up the PF and Sims back up at C.
Not to say i want to trade Obi, just saying.

Again i just think the price for DM is outrageous.
No way i trade 4-6 completely unprotected picks AND all the youtes. Need some insurance against it all going wrong.
A lot of hope expressed that Randle gets better again next year. Let's say he doesn't. Let's say the mysterious ailment actually gets worse. Say it's psychological or drug related and he implodes. And you traded away everything to have a big 3 of Randle/DM/Brunson. Now you're left with just DM/Brunson and a bunch of scraps. And you traded away your resulting top 5 pick(s) to Utah.
I've said before, Eddy Curry taught us not to trade away unprotected picks. I haven't forgotten. Neither should the top brass

We have a lot of picks, we can only protect ours and I agree we need some of that.
In my mind the more picks, the less players we move.
One of Drose or Fournier has to go. Salary and minutes they expendable. They are necessary to a deal.
If Team OBI, you want Randle gone. Salary does match but Utah don’t want that do they?
So Drose or Fournier. If Minny has a three season run of semi’s and final does the price really be that outrageous? Seems so today but we don’t know if Rudy ties it all together.
Price Ainge wants for Donovan is unknown but likely out of line. But if we achieve would it not be worth it?
Knick history gives us little faith. Riley can do stupid shit and get love cuz he achieved. We don’t.

Eddy was so messed up for so many reasons it was incredible what Isiah did. We know it failed miserably and picks were not protected in hindsight. I get the trepidation. Really, I get it!!! LOL

Kind of hoping we can get Beverley added to the trade. He's a jerk but it would be fun to have him be a jerk for us.

SergioNYK wrote:Kind of hoping we can get Beverley added to the trade. He's a jerk but it would be fun to have him be a jerk for us.

I think there's a rule that a traded player can't be included as part of a trade package for like 3 months (but can be traded by themselves).

Panos wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can;t take that.

; I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I;m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

If we can make the trade without giving uo Quickley, Grimes, or Obi I'd be more willing to give up draft picks. Trading Obi will leave the team with zero depth at PF. One injury to Randle and the team is in trouble. I just don't think Mitchell is the right player for the roster. What this team needs is a 2 way SF. If the Brunson money was used on a player like that and Mitchell was penciled in at PG I'd be more open to giving up assets. It all comes back to poor drafts under previous regimes.

iHart and/or Cam can back up the PF and Sims back up at C.
Not to say i want to trade Obi, just saying.

Again i just think the price for DM is outrageous.
No way i trade 4-6 completely unprotected picks AND all the youtes. Need some insurance against it all going wrong.
A lot of hope expressed that Randle gets better again next year. Let's say he doesn't. Let's say the mysterious ailment actually gets worse. Say it's psychological or drug related and he implodes. And you traded away everything to have a big 3 of Randle/DM/Brunson. Now you're left with just DM/Brunson and a bunch of scraps. And you traded away your resulting top 5 pick(s) to Utah.
I've said before, Eddy Curry taught us not to trade away unprotected picks. I haven't forgotten. Neither should the top brass

Eddy Curry should have taught us a lot of different things. Like to not trade the farm for a fatboy with a documented heart condition who couldn’t grab a rebound despite being 6’11

Philc1 wrote:

Panos wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:

doomed wrote:

TLover wrote:A Brunson/Mitchell backcourt might bring back memories of a Marbury/Steve Francis backcourt which was a disaster.

Brunson/Grimes backcourt can really flourish if we just allow it!

Just stop.

I can take a lot but I can;t take that.

; I understand the parallels due to JB and Mitch size. But back then was a different nba compared to now. The rules allow Little guards to flourish. Steve Francis and Marbury might kill in todays nba.

Like most have said I;m worried with the team being depleted after the trade.

If we can make the trade without giving uo Quickley, Grimes, or Obi I'd be more willing to give up draft picks. Trading Obi will leave the team with zero depth at PF. One injury to Randle and the team is in trouble. I just don't think Mitchell is the right player for the roster. What this team needs is a 2 way SF. If the Brunson money was used on a player like that and Mitchell was penciled in at PG I'd be more open to giving up assets. It all comes back to poor drafts under previous regimes.

iHart and/or Cam can back up the PF and Sims back up at C.
Not to say i want to trade Obi, just saying.

Again i just think the price for DM is outrageous.
No way i trade 4-6 completely unprotected picks AND all the youtes. Need some insurance against it all going wrong.
A lot of hope expressed that Randle gets better again next year. Let's say he doesn't. Let's say the mysterious ailment actually gets worse. Say it's psychological or drug related and he implodes. And you traded away everything to have a big 3 of Randle/DM/Brunson. Now you're left with just DM/Brunson and a bunch of scraps. And you traded away your resulting top 5 pick(s) to Utah.
I've said before, Eddy Curry taught us not to trade away unprotected picks. I haven't forgotten. Neither should the top brass

Eddy Curry should have taught us a lot of different things. Like to not trade the farm for a fatboy with a documented heart condition who couldn’t grab a rebound despite being 6’11

Another inaccurate PhilC spew. Eddie’s arrhythmia was caused by over use of Ephedrine that was at the time legal stimulant used for weight loss and energy. He was cleared by the league and did not have issues.

He had a good run with Larry Brown for a short spell but he really did not have the motivation and was super unhappy as a pro ball player.

OK, The beginning of this video made me feel much better. Me and the FO are in agreement here. The Jazz wants both Picks and Young players. Our FO said you can't have both. The more picks you want the less young players you get. This is a huge load off me. Knowing Ainge's past he will want pick so we give him a good amount of picks and we get to keep our Young core. Remember for the majority of the past 2 years it has been our young core keeping us in games. If we lose them our bench turns to trash and our starters are still not good enough to carry the team. We have to be willing to walk from the trade because if we make a bad one the only team who benefits is the Jazz. Both in the haul they take from us and the high draft picks that will result from it.

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