we are not moving Randle, he's our starting PF next year. He's just not getting moved.... not now.
Im just not trading for the farm here for this player. I would for a better fit like Brandon Ingram. DM is a legit all star but he's not generational guy. He's Booker.
I would offer:
Obi +
choice of (Grimes or IQ) +
choice of (McBride or Reddish) +
The Milw/Dallas/Det/Wash FRPs +
choice of (Rokus or one of NYKs FRPs)
So 3 young players Obi, (Grimes or IQ), (McBride or Reddish)
4 FRPs and Rokus or 5 FRPs and no Rokus
Otherwise its a pass for me. I'll wait and stand pat.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:
The man is not lying.
On top of that, Knicks also had troubles at the C spot with Mitch taking 50+ games to get in shape and with Noel hurt all season.
In light of the improvements made by other teams in the least, how much do you think Brunson signing measures up? I'd 3-5 more wins, but there are a lot of variables there. I don't put any expectations on Rose at this stage in his career. But I expect Fournier to play better and RJ to make some improvements. IQ and Obi could also play better. I'd also expect this team to need time to gel in the early part of the season. This season could end up going in a number of directions. Maybe they should wait and see what they have before they make drastic changes to the roster?
that's not enough to be .500 and I think you are really really wrong on that
fishmike wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:
The man is not lying.
On top of that, Knicks also had troubles at the C spot with Mitch taking 50+ games to get in shape and with Noel hurt all season.
In light of the improvements made by other teams in the least, how much do you think Brunson signing measures up? I'd 3-5 more wins, but there are a lot of variables there. I don't put any expectations on Rose at this stage in his career. But I expect Fournier to play better and RJ to make some improvements. IQ and Obi could also play better. I'd also expect this team to need time to gel in the early part of the season. This season could end up going in a number of directions. Maybe they should wait and see what they have before they make drastic changes to the roster?
that's not enough to be .500 and I think you are really really wrong on that
Ha, I've given it some thought. Point Randle and Burks (RIP) was really bad. A quality ball handler who can consistently get in the paint would've made a helluva of difference last year.
BigDaddyG wrote:smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Randle gone?!?!?
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This could work:
Knicks send out:
Randle to Lakers $24mil
Rose to Lakers $14.5mil
Lakers then send
Westbrook to Knicks ($47mil)
Rose to the Nets (who then buy him out, allowing him to sign anywhere he likes, maybe a Bulls reunion)
Horton-Tucker to the Nets $10mil
Nets send
Kyrie to the Lakers $37mil
Seems to work on trade machine, somehow…
The thing is, if we did this, we’d struggle to do future trades as e wouldn’t have the salary to put in deals (assuming we trade Fournier in a D-Mitch trade, plus if we lose Obi and Cam or Grimes in the D-Mitch trade, what’s the point?
The Westbrook thing makes sense to move Randle and Fournier to the lakers as part of a deal to get that lakers 2027 unprotected pick to utah and absorb Westbrook. That way it’s one less pick from the Knicks, or one less young guy going to utah.
Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.
Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
If we giving them that much picks and swaps then Cam and McBride should be max kids given up.
smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
Not worried about Pat at all. Short of giving Bam, who I'm not sure Danny would want because of his salary, I don't see what the Heat can do in the short-term. I mean, Duncan Robinson is a way worse contract than Fournier. And Herro is in the same situation as RJ. He's gonna get paid soon. I'd like to explore a three way deal with the Lakers and Westbrook. Something redirects Conley/Clarkson, Fournier and Rose to the Lakers. Lakers throw in another first-rounder to Utah and we get to keep Grimes.
food for thought: Miami can't compile a competitive offer. Does AInge at that point have any leverage?
the only reason i am intrigued by this potential trade is to get a reliable scorer in the playoffs -- Knicks/Atlanta series firmly in mind
that said, many posters are suggesting much more logical trades to keep RJ at 2 and get a bona fide SF
Chandler wrote:food for thought: Miami can't compile a competitive offer. Does AInge at that point have any leverage?the only reason i am intrigued by this potential trade is to get a reliable scorer in the playoffs -- Knicks/Atlanta series firmly in mind
that said, many posters are suggesting much more logical trades to keep RJ at 2 and get a bona fide SF
The important thing here is patience if you want this deal. Maybe DM requests a trade? Utah prolly want to compete for Webeyama no? You probably stall out a trade until the deadline. Ideally we would want a true star option like DM at SF but unless one simply isn’t available
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:
The man is not lying.
On top of that, Knicks also had troubles at the C spot with Mitch taking 50+ games to get in shape and with Noel hurt all season.
In light of the improvements made by other teams in the least, how much do you think Brunson signing measures up? I'd 3-5 more wins, but there are a lot of variables there. I don't put any expectations on Rose at this stage in his career. But I expect Fournier to play better and RJ to make some improvements. IQ and Obi could also play better. I'd also expect this team to need time to gel in the early part of the season. This season could end up going in a number of directions. Maybe they should wait and see what they have before they make drastic changes to the roster?
that's not enough to be .500 and I think you are really really wrong on that
Ha, I've given it some thought. Point Randle and Burks (RIP) was really bad. A quality ball handler who can consistently get in the paint would've made a helluva of difference last year.
that AND we were a top 5 defense without Kemba on the floor, AND with that in mind this group will be much easier for Thibs to coach. His strength is getting the most of the line up every night, his weakness is moving players around and changing things. He's loyal to fault for sure there.
Thibs is not only getting a better team, but a pretty set rotation.... you know Brunson/RJ/Randle/Mitch are starters and you have Rose/McBride/IQ/Fournier/Grimes/Obi/Hart to flesh out the rotation with Cam being an x factor and Sims the 3rd center. This strikes me as the type of situation that Thibs is built for and may put him in COY running again. Nobody is counting on this crew to do anything but if you have watched closely I would be honestly surprised if this team didnt overachieve in the regular season to the tune of 45-50 wins. I dont expect more than a first round exit (not there yet) but I see us poised for a very strong regular season. We have depth, size and skill on both ends of the floor. Its the right squad for Thibs to run his intricate offense as well featuring his two favorite plays... "cmon cmon cmon" and "lets go lets go lets go"
TPercy wrote:Chandler wrote:food for thought: Miami can't compile a competitive offer. Does AInge at that point have any leverage?the only reason i am intrigued by this potential trade is to get a reliable scorer in the playoffs -- Knicks/Atlanta series firmly in mind
that said, many posters are suggesting much more logical trades to keep RJ at 2 and get a bona fide SF
The important thing here is patience if you want this deal. Maybe DM requests a trade? Utah prolly want to compete for Webeyama no? You probably stall out a trade until the deadline. Ideally we would want a true star option like DM at SF but unless one simply isn’t available
Yep. Although I'm not really feeling this deal, I can understand why the front office is going through with it. Spida dropped 50 in a playoff series and every one of those baskets mattered. You grab Mitchell and you're no longer worried if Randle's erratic mid-range J is on that night. Mitchell is a guy who can give you a solid, efficient 20 with his eyes closed. Ideally, I'd want another wing. But who is out there? I'd have no problem just running it with JB and seeing what pops up, but stars like Spida don't pop out nowhere. Especially stars who want to be here.
smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
BigDaddyG wrote:TPercy wrote:Chandler wrote:food for thought: Miami can't compile a competitive offer. Does AInge at that point have any leverage?the only reason i am intrigued by this potential trade is to get a reliable scorer in the playoffs -- Knicks/Atlanta series firmly in mind
that said, many posters are suggesting much more logical trades to keep RJ at 2 and get a bona fide SF
The important thing here is patience if you want this deal. Maybe DM requests a trade? Utah prolly want to compete for Webeyama no? You probably stall out a trade until the deadline. Ideally we would want a true star option like DM at SF but unless one simply isn’t available
Yep. Although I'm not really feeling this deal, I can understand why the front office is going through with it. Spida dropped 50 in a playoff series and every one of those baskets mattered. You grab Mitchell and you're no longer worried if Randle's erratic mid-range J is on that night. Mitchell is a guy who can give you a solid, efficient 20 with his eyes closed. Ideally, I'd want another wing. But who is out there? I'd have no problem just running it with JB and seeing what pops up, but stars like Spida don't pop out nowhere. Especially stars who want to be here.
yeah man this nails it... and he's young and this FO has shown they are very craft in getting guys, at least role players.
fishmike wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:TPercy wrote:Chandler wrote:food for thought: Miami can't compile a competitive offer. Does AInge at that point have any leverage?the only reason i am intrigued by this potential trade is to get a reliable scorer in the playoffs -- Knicks/Atlanta series firmly in mind
that said, many posters are suggesting much more logical trades to keep RJ at 2 and get a bona fide SF
The important thing here is patience if you want this deal. Maybe DM requests a trade? Utah prolly want to compete for Webeyama no? You probably stall out a trade until the deadline. Ideally we would want a true star option like DM at SF but unless one simply isn’t available
Yep. Although I'm not really feeling this deal, I can understand why the front office is going through with it. Spida dropped 50 in a playoff series and every one of those baskets mattered. You grab Mitchell and you're no longer worried if Randle's erratic mid-range J is on that night. Mitchell is a guy who can give you a solid, efficient 20 with his eyes closed. Ideally, I'd want another wing. But who is out there? I'd have no problem just running it with JB and seeing what pops up, but stars like Spida don't pop out nowhere. Especially stars who want to be here.
yeah man this nails it... and he's young and this FO has shown they are very craft in getting guys, at least role players.
They were good at getting role players through cap space during FA (Example: Noel, Burks) or with draft picks(IQ, Obi, Grimes). After this trade those avenues of getting role players are gone. This is why what we give up is important. We would be stuck in a Laker situation with Brunson/Mitchell instead of Lebron and AD.
fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
The plan seemed obvious to most. Stock pile assets through trades, draft and development for a chance to add a substantial piece to help you compete for a chip. Sure we all like the safe feeling of bunkering in and storing all our nuts but at some point you have to use the excess to meet your goals. The reality is that Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce and the many picks are just fan favorite hopefulls. They have proven NOTHING that points to a player that will considerably make a difference on a chip team. DM absolutely has. DM is the type of deal that the front office has been doing what they have been doing the last couple of years. This past draft is a good example of how draft picks may not be as valuable to one team as it is another. We have added too many picks to actually use so why not use them to get us a difference maker?
I want DM on this team. He is what we have been waiting for. Like most, I hope we are able to salvage some of the young hopefulls. And most importantly, not left with enough to compete. Like we did with Melo. But honestly think that in two to three years we will look back and see most of our hopefulls turn out just like the ones we traded in the Melo deal.
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
The plan seemed obvious to most. Stock pile assets through trades, draft and development for a chance to add a substantial piece to help you compete for a chip. Sure we all like the safe feeling of bunkering in and storing all our nuts but at some point you have to use the excess to meet your goals. The reality is that Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce and the many picks are just fan favorite hopefulls. They have proven NOTHING that points to a player that will considerably make a difference on a chip team. DM absolutely has. DM is the type of deal that the front office has been doing what they have been doing the last couple of years. This past draft is a good example of how draft picks may not be as valuable to one team as it is another. We have added too many picks to actually use so why not use them to get us a difference maker?
I want DM on this team. He is what we have been waiting for. Like most, I hope we are able to salvage some of the young hopefulls. And most importantly, not left with enough to compete. Like we did with Melo. But honestly think that in two to three years we will look back and see most of our hopefulls turn out just like the ones we traded in the Melo deal.
If we make the move for Mitchell I think Grimes is the guy you hold onto out of IQ, Obi and Grimes. A 3&D spot up wing becomes more important on the roster to enhance DM and Brunson.
foosballnick wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
The plan seemed obvious to most. Stock pile assets through trades, draft and development for a chance to add a substantial piece to help you compete for a chip. Sure we all like the safe feeling of bunkering in and storing all our nuts but at some point you have to use the excess to meet your goals. The reality is that Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce and the many picks are just fan favorite hopefulls. They have proven NOTHING that points to a player that will considerably make a difference on a chip team. DM absolutely has. DM is the type of deal that the front office has been doing what they have been doing the last couple of years. This past draft is a good example of how draft picks may not be as valuable to one team as it is another. We have added too many picks to actually use so why not use them to get us a difference maker?
I want DM on this team. He is what we have been waiting for. Like most, I hope we are able to salvage some of the young hopefulls. And most importantly, not left with enough to compete. Like we did with Melo. But honestly think that in two to three years we will look back and see most of our hopefulls turn out just like the ones we traded in the Melo deal.
If we make the move for Mitchell I think Grimes is the guy you hold onto out of IQ, Obi and Grimes. A 3&D spot up wing becomes more important on the roster to enhance DM and Brunson.
I would add Obi to players we should hold on to. Grimes and Obi. Mitchell and Brunson are going to play with pace. Randle does not play with pace. He would rather iso in the half court and he never runs up the court. Obi gives us that pace that we are going to need. It’s not that he is even a very good player, it’s just that his style of play fits better with the guards. I also still think that Obi can also improve as a shooter.
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
The plan seemed obvious to most. Stock pile assets through trades, draft and development for a chance to add a substantial piece to help you compete for a chip. Sure we all like the safe feeling of bunkering in and storing all our nuts but at some point you have to use the excess to meet your goals. The reality is that Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce and the many picks are just fan favorite hopefulls. They have proven NOTHING that points to a player that will considerably make a difference on a chip team. DM absolutely has. DM is the type of deal that the front office has been doing what they have been doing the last couple of years. This past draft is a good example of how draft picks may not be as valuable to one team as it is another. We have added too many picks to actually use so why not use them to get us a difference maker?
I want DM on this team. He is what we have been waiting for. Like most, I hope we are able to salvage some of the young hopefulls. And most importantly, not left with enough to compete. Like we did with Melo. But honestly think that in two to three years we will look back and see most of our hopefulls turn out just like the ones we traded in the Melo deal.
I remember when fans ON THIS SITE were going CRAZY when the Knicks included Timofey Mozgov in that trade.
Timofey f3cking Mozgov.......LMAO
Swishfm3 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bart and Hahn show was interesting- hahn seems pretty good that a deal will happen, though said watch out for Riley, just based on his powers. Said expect knicks to be willing to give up 6 first round picks, At least 3 of which will be unprotected. May also be pick swaps. Said the picks are not the problem.Said what the knicks are worried about is gutting a bench that was very effective- they don't want to give up a lot from their bench. Thinks there will likely be a combo of reddish and toppin but not all the dudes. (This is likely the holdup or is why the jazz are checking round the league)
This is the way. Obi/Reddish and 6 FRPs (our 3 and the acquired 3) is a haul.
The plan seemed obvious to most. Stock pile assets through trades, draft and development for a chance to add a substantial piece to help you compete for a chip. Sure we all like the safe feeling of bunkering in and storing all our nuts but at some point you have to use the excess to meet your goals. The reality is that Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce and the many picks are just fan favorite hopefulls. They have proven NOTHING that points to a player that will considerably make a difference on a chip team. DM absolutely has. DM is the type of deal that the front office has been doing what they have been doing the last couple of years. This past draft is a good example of how draft picks may not be as valuable to one team as it is another. We have added too many picks to actually use so why not use them to get us a difference maker?
I want DM on this team. He is what we have been waiting for. Like most, I hope we are able to salvage some of the young hopefulls. And most importantly, not left with enough to compete. Like we did with Melo. But honestly think that in two to three years we will look back and see most of our hopefulls turn out just like the ones we traded in the Melo deal.
I remember when fans ON THIS SITE were going CRAZY when the Knicks included Timofey Mozgov in that trade.
Timofey f3cking Mozgov.......LMAO
It wasn't that Mozgov was traded, it was the principle of the matter. Masai didn't even want him, he just demanded it to throw salt on the wound 
BigDaddyG wrote:https://theathletic.com/3434338/2022/07/...
Leon Rose is New York’s team president, but he doesn’t do most of the day-to-day trade calls. Most commonly, those are up to vice president of basketball and strategic planning Brock Aller, who oversees salary cap management. Every once in a while, someone else will take the reins, especially when another Knicks higher-up has a solid relationship with an executive in an opposing front office they’re trying to make a deal with.General manager Scott Perry was essential to the draft-day trades with the Oklahoma City Thunder and Detroit Pistons because of his relationships with Thunder GM Sam Presti and Pistons GM Troy Weaver. Both Perry and Weaver worked under Presti in OKC.
Most commonly, however, Aller is on the phone. Rose will often splice in near the end to wrap up deals.
Aller obsesses over marginal value, which should be refreshing for Knicks fans who remain traumatized from teams of the past needlessly tossing first-round picks into the fireplace. He wants to hold onto picks and acquire others. He notoriously squeezes teams just for the draft rights to an extra player, something that’s far more trivial to most others.
Amazing behind the scenes info.
