Knicks · Knicks in on Mitchell trade (page 25)

TPercy @ 7/21/2022 8:41 PM
Rookie wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
TPercy wrote:I....might like this if we keep Rose

This trade is laughable. LA gives up absolutely nothing, dumps Westbrook and adds 3 quality players. This shit is so made up. Is this someones fantasy trade disguised as a real rumor?

It’s a trade proposal. I think you could make it work if we keep Rose, and force them to send their own picks instead of us giving up ours.

HofstraBBall @ 7/21/2022 8:42 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Probably just internet talk but there is a guy on FB Knicks Nation who claims he works for CBS sports and is saying the deal is done/agreed upon but the Knicks are trying to send D. Rose back to Chicago to clear cap space before the actual trade.

He claims it is for 4 #1 picks and 2 pick swaps, plus Fournier, Toppin and Grimes. Again - likely just talk but he keeps responding to others inquiring with the same information. While I'm not a fan of this deal it does sound a little better have 2 pick swaps and moving Fournier in the process. If true - sucks about Grimes and would have thought IQ would be more replaceable.

Guess time will tell and I sure hope he's wrong about Obi :(

Interesting thought. Not in love with it, but it costs some to get some.

Brunson/McBride
Mitchell/IQ
Barrett/Reddish
Randle/
Robinson/Hart/Sims

Don’t really understand how clearing Rose makes sense. Not necessary with Fournier/Grimes and Toppin going. The numbers seem to work with that alone. After going above the cap to sign Robinson, I don’t really understand how moving Rose does anything but take Rose off our roster. For that reason, I think something is wrong/missing.


Think Hart would play more PF. Don't like that we would give up our best 3pt shooters. We shall see.
GustavBahler @ 7/21/2022 8:49 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Probably just internet talk but there is a guy on FB Knicks Nation who claims he works for CBS sports and is saying the deal is done/agreed upon but the Knicks are trying to send D. Rose back to Chicago to clear cap space before the actual trade.

He claims it is for 4 #1 picks and 2 pick swaps, plus Fournier, Toppin and Grimes. Again - likely just talk but he keeps responding to others inquiring with the same information. While I'm not a fan of this deal it does sound a little better have 2 pick swaps and moving Fournier in the process. If true - sucks about Grimes and would have thought IQ would be more replaceable.

Guess time will tell and I sure hope he's wrong about Obi :(

Dont like including Toppin. Thats too many young players and picks. Would like to have seen (if this is accurate) the FO wait wait until the roster was good enough for a deal like this to put them in contention. This deal likely doesnt do it. It does make us give up a lot to get to the middle of the pack.

blkexec @ 7/21/2022 9:00 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Probably just internet talk but there is a guy on FB Knicks Nation who claims he works for CBS sports and is saying the deal is done/agreed upon but the Knicks are trying to send D. Rose back to Chicago to clear cap space before the actual trade.

He claims it is for 4 #1 picks and 2 pick swaps, plus Fournier, Toppin and Grimes. Again - likely just talk but he keeps responding to others inquiring with the same information. While I'm not a fan of this deal it does sound a little better have 2 pick swaps and moving Fournier in the process. If true - sucks about Grimes and would have thought IQ would be more replaceable.

Guess time will tell and I sure hope he's wrong about Obi :(

Dont like including Toppin. Thats too many young players and picks. Would like to have seen (if this is accurate) the FO wait wait until the roster was good enough for a deal like this to put them in contention. This deal likely doesnt do it. It does make us give up a lot to get to the middle of the pack.

It may also attract solid vets off the bench on melo level. A solid bench with that new starting 5 will make more noise than the middle of the pack.

EwingsGlass @ 7/21/2022 9:04 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Probably just internet talk but there is a guy on FB Knicks Nation who claims he works for CBS sports and is saying the deal is done/agreed upon but the Knicks are trying to send D. Rose back to Chicago to clear cap space before the actual trade.

He claims it is for 4 #1 picks and 2 pick swaps, plus Fournier, Toppin and Grimes. Again - likely just talk but he keeps responding to others inquiring with the same information. While I'm not a fan of this deal it does sound a little better have 2 pick swaps and moving Fournier in the process. If true - sucks about Grimes and would have thought IQ would be more replaceable.

Guess time will tell and I sure hope he's wrong about Obi :(

Dont like including Toppin. Thats too many young players and picks. Would like to have seen (if this is accurate) the FO wait wait until the roster was good enough for a deal like this to put them in contention. This deal likely doesnt do it. It does make us give up a lot to get to the middle of the pack.

I agree on Toppin. Out of all the youth, I think he is most needed. I think there are a lot of Guards that we need to choose. But I think Toppin stands to benefit more from Brunson than any other player.

GustavBahler @ 7/21/2022 9:14 PM
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Probably just internet talk but there is a guy on FB Knicks Nation who claims he works for CBS sports and is saying the deal is done/agreed upon but the Knicks are trying to send D. Rose back to Chicago to clear cap space before the actual trade.

He claims it is for 4 #1 picks and 2 pick swaps, plus Fournier, Toppin and Grimes. Again - likely just talk but he keeps responding to others inquiring with the same information. While I'm not a fan of this deal it does sound a little better have 2 pick swaps and moving Fournier in the process. If true - sucks about Grimes and would have thought IQ would be more replaceable.

Guess time will tell and I sure hope he's wrong about Obi :(

Dont like including Toppin. Thats too many young players and picks. Would like to have seen (if this is accurate) the FO wait wait until the roster was good enough for a deal like this to put them in contention. This deal likely doesnt do it. It does make us give up a lot to get to the middle of the pack.

It may also attract solid vets off the bench on melo level. A solid bench with that new starting 5 will make more noise than the middle of the pack.

It will be a good starting 5 if Randle accepts, and excels in his new role. Whatever that is, now that we have an actual starting PG. He's played off the ball before. But Randle was at his best when he was grabbing a rebound and leading the break.

If we want to see quality role players want to join the Knicks. We're going to have to punch above our weight in the playoffs. I would imagine. Not taking a discount to get bounced in the first or second round. Why its important for the team to overachieve early on.

Seeing how this lineup works (pre-trade) would have allowed the FO to have a better idea of what needs fixing. Fournier hasnt played like back in his days with the Magic. But he hasnt benefited from stability at the PG spot either.

We might have found out that we didnt need such an expensive fix in the backcourt. At least for the next season or two

GustavBahler @ 7/21/2022 10:51 PM

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

blkexec @ 7/21/2022 11:39 PM
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

The longer we wait, the more desperate ainge get and Dmitch value drops. Plus we have our young version already in Brunson, who destroyed Dmitch and the entire Utah team by himself. It’s a win win for us.

jskinny35 @ 7/21/2022 11:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

GustavBahler @ 7/22/2022 12:58 AM
http://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nb...

Very good article on the pros and cons of trading for Mitchell. Interesting dive into the numbers.

Jmpasq @ 7/22/2022 5:40 AM
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

The longer we wait, the more desperate ainge get and Dmitch value drops. Plus we have our young version already in Brunson, who destroyed Dmitch and the entire Utah team by himself. It’s a win win for us.

I am terrified of this trade. I am so worried Dolan is going to force an overpay if we start slow. Mitchell is not the right player for this roster.

TLover @ 7/22/2022 7:36 AM
Mitchell is definitely a nice player. 6’10 wing-span helps but still he and Brunson in the backcourt can be exploited defensively. Then again they can exploit their opponent offensively. Barrett can be a lock down defensive wing. Mitch is the the blockade monster. Who is the better defender between Randle or Toppin or is it Isiah Hark???

Ultimately we have to trust our coach on what players he needs to make his system work.

blkexec @ 7/22/2022 7:55 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Read that Carmelo will likely sign in NY if Mitchell comes. Makes me wonder if there are any other vets they can sign that would make losing some youth more palatable.

You knew that was going to happen. It’s a domino affect. Nobody once to be the savor but as a team people will always try to add value. Especially vets with NY ties like melo. More will come. So I’m not too upset if our bench is depleted. The FO is still playing it well. I’m sure they told ainge your demands is crazy but we will definitely beat any offer you get.

GustavBahler @ 7/22/2022 8:16 AM
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

ramtour420 @ 7/22/2022 11:23 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

GustavBahler @ 7/22/2022 12:21 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

SL showed Grimes improving. But the SL final also showed when the D tightened up, that he needs more seasoning. Right now Grimes looks like a solid backup.

BigDaddyG @ 7/22/2022 12:30 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

SL showed Grimes improving. But the SL final also showed when the D tightened up, that he needs more seasoning. Right now Grimes looks like a solid backup.


I could pencil in Grimes as a starter. He's definitely not a primary balhandler, but he can make some plays. I'd say he's overqualified for a Reggie Bullock type role right now. But I see his scoring topping out at the mid-teens throughout his career.
GustavBahler @ 7/22/2022 12:32 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

SL showed Grimes improving. But the SL final also showed when the D tightened up, that he needs more seasoning. Right now Grimes looks like a solid backup.


I could pencil in Grimes as a starter. He's definitely not a primary balhandler, but he can make some plays. I'd say he's overqualified for a Reggie Bullock type role right now. But I see his scoring topping out at the mid-teens throughout his career.

"Overqualified"? Not what I would expect to hear after one season.

BigDaddyG @ 7/22/2022 12:41 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

SL showed Grimes improving. But the SL final also showed when the D tightened up, that he needs more seasoning. Right now Grimes looks like a solid backup.


I could pencil in Grimes as a starter. He's definitely not a primary balhandler, but he can make some plays. I'd say he's overqualified for a Reggie Bullock type role right now. But I see his scoring topping out at the mid-teens throughout his career.

"Overqualified"? Not what I would expect to hear after one season.


His defense stood out and he can knockdown spots up shots. The 'overqualified' comment comment takes into account that he can actually dribble, something Bullock still struggles with.
GustavBahler @ 7/22/2022 12:44 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:

Found this on Larry Brown Sports. Would be glad if its true.

Sure hope this is true! We could use this season to evaluate these young guys we are considering parting with... and if the right deal presents itself at the trade deadline we could make a more informed decision for sure!

Very much agree. A player(s) might become available, who is a better fit. Maybe not the same scoring threat, but a much better defender. Wont know if we shoot our load before we see what this team looks like with Brunson on the roster.

That player might already be on the team. His name is Grimes

SL showed Grimes improving. But the SL final also showed when the D tightened up, that he needs more seasoning. Right now Grimes looks like a solid backup.


I could pencil in Grimes as a starter. He's definitely not a primary balhandler, but he can make some plays. I'd say he's overqualified for a Reggie Bullock type role right now. But I see his scoring topping out at the mid-teens throughout his career.

"Overqualified"? Not what I would expect to hear after one season.


His defense stood out and he can knockdown spots up shots. The 'overqualified' comment comment takes into account that he can actually dribble, something Bullock still struggles with.

Got it. Not saying Grimes cant get there, dont believe he's ready yet.

Knixkik @ 7/22/2022 3:52 PM
Reading between the lines here there’s probably a deal agreed upon between the Knicks and jazz but because there’s no rush or deadline prior to training camp, they are probably taking their time to see if they can pull in more teams to enhance the trade. Maybe Utah wants to offload more contracts or the Knicks are trying to get a rotation player back from another team and they want to lump in more teams to a larger deal. And they can take their time doing that as long as they have a baseline deal between just the two of them that they can fall back on if no other deals can be made with additional teams. That’s probably where this thing stands at the moment.
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