This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Clean wrote:This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Rumor is that Toronto has entered the picture. Can't see Masai caving in to Ainge's demands quickly either, but I wonder if OG is being dangled.
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:
The parameter's of RJ's deal, with all the cap room Utah is going to have, would seem like a low priority, at this stage.Would be surprised if RJ and his agent were out of the loop on a possible trade to Utah. Does RJ want to go to a small market, rebuilding
team? Doubt it.
If he signs it can they move him right away?
Don't matter if he likes it or not if they can. Its a dick move though. But lets assume they are in the loop cuz you don't alienate players and agents like that.
We read s much about Utah not being interested then Woj says they were close WITH HIM. Leon gave a deadline and showed he a man of his word.
Leon the Professional has a valuation of DM. Danny has his. Either Danny over played his hand or Leon is being cheap.
"Be Cool". You can do that if you can afford to walk away.
Alan Hahn on ESPN now saying deal for Mitchell by no means off the table. Says it's all about the picks. Ainge wants 6 #1's 3 or 4 unprotected. Plus Fournier and probably Grimes.
I wouldn't mid giving that up for the guy who puts us in contention. Don't think Mitchell is that guy, partially because of fit.
My point is, would RJ re-up without an assurance that he wouldnt be immediately sent to Utah? Have a hard time believing he wants to spend the next 4 years on a team starting from square one, in a small market. Instead of in NY, on a team thats a few pieces away from contending Or he bounces from team to team, because Ainge has other plans.
Lets say RJ is ok with being traded. If he doesnt sign that deal and goes to Utah. He's the number one option on a team with little offense (as designed) What kind of numbers could he put up next season? He could make even more $$$ as an FA, and pick his destination.
Doesnt make sense for RJ to go for the dollars now, if he's going to Utah.
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:
The parameter's of RJ's deal, with all the cap room Utah is going to have, would seem like a low priority, at this stage.Would be surprised if RJ and his agent were out of the loop on a possible trade to Utah. Does RJ want to go to a small market, rebuilding
team? Doubt it.
If he signs it can they move him right away?
Don't matter if he likes it or not if they can. Its a dick move though. But lets assume they are in the loop cuz you don't alienate players and agents like that.
We read s much about Utah not being interested then Woj says they were close WITH HIM. Leon gave a deadline and showed he a man of his word.
Leon the Professional has a valuation of DM. Danny has his. Either Danny over played his hand or Leon is being cheap.
"Be Cool". You can do that if you can afford to walk away.
KnickDanger wrote:Alan Hahn on ESPN now saying deal for Mitchell by no means off the table. Says it's all about the picks. Ainge wants 6 #1's 3 or 4 unprotected. Plus Fournier and probably Grimes.I wouldn't mid giving that up for the guy who puts us in contention. Don't think Mitchell is that guy, partially because of fit.
Problem is Mitchell doesn't put us in contention. We might win a few more winnable games but Mithell's defense is so bad it makes winning against the top teams fairly improbable. Pair him with other defensively challenged or barely adequate players in the SL and you have a similar situation as in Utah where Gobert's good defense can not make up for everyone else's bad defense. Add in you might be trading our best defender in Grimes and this squad doesn't even make the playoffs. The bottom line is we are better off if we don't make the trade. Mitchell's game is Allstar level on half of the court. He stands around way to much on offense for me to like him that much but he can score and make some pretty slick passes. Although it looks like when other teams speed him up he is less than stellar. His +/- against teams over .500 is pretty bad and other teams will go off on him and his fake defense. I would even question his conditioning and motor since he doesn't play hard most of the time.
Mitchell didn't make Utah better enough and he won't make the Knicks better enough to justify the cost of the deal. I'm all for improving the talent on this team but not if we lose so many assets in the process
KnickDanger wrote:Alan Hahn on ESPN now saying deal for Mitchell by no means off the table. Says it's all about the picks. Ainge wants 6 #1's 3 or 4 unprotected. Plus Fournier and probably Grimes.I wouldn't mid giving that up for the guy who puts us in contention. Don't think Mitchell is that guy, partially because of fit.
EF, Obi and 5 picks 2 unprotected. If not, Ainge can go negotiate with those imaginary "other possible suitors"
HofstraBBall wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Alan Hahn on ESPN now saying deal for Mitchell by no means off the table. Says it's all about the picks. Ainge wants 6 #1's 3 or 4 unprotected. Plus Fournier and probably Grimes.I wouldn't mid giving that up for the guy who puts us in contention. Don't think Mitchell is that guy, partially because of fit.
EF, Obi and 5 picks 2 unprotected. If not, Ainge can go negotiate with those imaginary "other possible suitors"
Yeah, I'm really not going to like this trade if they give Fournier and Grimes along with four unprotected picks. Outside shooting and size at the guard spot would take a big hit. That package and two unprotected picks wouldn't be so bad. Three and they keep Grimes... I can stomach a little.
Woj was saying that the Knicks want to keep some unprotected picks to land a third star by trade, which makes sense. Easier than recruiting. Whoever the FO targets, I really hope said player is an excellent facilitator, to balance out the starting lineup. If Mitchell is a Knick.
BigDaddyG wrote:Clean wrote:This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Rumor is that Toronto has entered the picture. Can't see Masai caving in to Ainge's demands quickly either, but I wonder if OG is being dangled.
Think he makes a lot of sense for Toronto, and I think OG plus picks is a good deal for the Jazz (they can likely then move OJ if they want to for picks or see what he's like with more of a central role)
smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Clean wrote:This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Rumor is that Toronto has entered the picture. Can't see Masai caving in to Ainge's demands quickly either, but I wonder if OG is being dangled.
Think he makes a lot of sense for Toronto, and I think OG plus picks is a good deal for the Jazz (they can likely then move OJ if they want to for picks or see what he's like with more of a central role)
If this is true, then the Knicks need to move on.
If they offered RJ, before signing him. Absent Ainge caving on the unprotected picks, sounds like the FO already has moved on.
BigDaddyG wrote:smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Clean wrote:This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Rumor is that Toronto has entered the picture. Can't see Masai caving in to Ainge's demands quickly either, but I wonder if OG is being dangled.
Think he makes a lot of sense for Toronto, and I think OG plus picks is a good deal for the Jazz (they can likely then move OJ if they want to for picks or see what he's like with more of a central role)
If this is true, then the Knicks need to move on.
GustavBahler wrote:If they offered RJ, before signing him. Absent Ainge caving on the unprotected picks, sounds like the FO already has moved on. BigDaddyG wrote:smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Clean wrote:This front office has been in tune with my thinking in these negotiations. If they want a lot unprotected picks you get no young players. I think if a deal is done between only the two of us we will give up max 3 UP picks. No young players and negotiate protected and swaps to make everyone happy. We get to keep our depth and Ainge can look like a hero again with a big number of picks.
Rumor is that Toronto has entered the picture. Can't see Masai caving in to Ainge's demands quickly either, but I wonder if OG is being dangled.
Think he makes a lot of sense for Toronto, and I think OG plus picks is a good deal for the Jazz (they can likely then move OJ if they want to for picks or see what he's like with more of a central role)
If this is true, then the Knicks need to move on.
They've moved on from the RJ piece for sure, but I'm talking about a complete removal from the situation. No Grimes. No Obi. No IQ. No unprotected picks. Block Ainge's number and keep it moving.
I can agree on the no trade with ainge idea, but there’s one improve this DM trade would do is to remove the rotation issue. We have too many players that needs PT. And too many players for Thibs to have a solid rotation.
Without the ainge trade, are there any other trade ideas to help the glut of players at different positions? For one Obi and Randle hasn’t worked for Obi sake. IQ, rose, McBride, grimes, Brunson, Fournier, RJ………There’s a lot of guards who needs or deserves PT and thibs likes his rotation short.
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My final offer would be 2 unprotected picks (2023, 2025), 3 additional 1st round picks (5 total), Grimes, Fournier and either Rose or Reddish, whom they could re-route to another team.
Take it or leave it. You got until a week before the start of training camp.
NO WAY I'm including Obi or a 2027 unprotected. Those are deal breakers for me.
Wonder how The Koby Altman (Cav's gm) and Brock Aller thing went if Utah was trying to play each other for a better deal? Altman saved his job with good draft last year and team responded well before injuries. Lets not forget Aller was rumored to have been considered if Cavs fired him. Aller worked under Altman and they tight.
I know of none of this but could be funny.
Altman to Aller: "you believe the stones on Ainge? Fucker wanted Jared Allen and 6 picks"
Aller: "Leon doing that death stare shit to him via webex calls. Pretty funny stuff. Wes is out of camera view mugging Leon getting him to crack up. Scott is pretty laid back and thinks Wes is tripping, but Leon is dressed in black and letting Danny think he all that, but check this out, we got close doing RJ and then Leon stops, lights up a cigar and asks him how the family dog is and do the grand kids like playing with it. Then he says he got to go! Wes about lost it, pretty funny stuff!.
Aller: How far he want to go? Leon, He was not gonna put RJ in, just wanted Danny to think that so we understand his bottom line. Its EF, IQ, 2 unprotected, 2 protected. Whats gonna happen is Randle to Hornets, Gordon Haywood to Lakers, some other shit, Knicks get Nunn and and Then Lakes start fucking with Utah for the picks and Westbrick. Danny gonna get his 4 unprotected and 2. We run with Obi and then we got to get another forward to back up Obi.
Remember, Randle was a placeholder for us. He's gonna be fine and kick ass in Charlotte. Same with EF, they held our cap. You know that, fans don't don't. Leon don't care. Can't explain "Placeholder" then they just go with every trade rumor and spazz out. Dolan is xanny'd up and fine with Leon. He loves Wes BTW, got the jet anytime he wants!
Altman: Whats up with Randle? Obi?
ALler: He knew the deal and was cool with it but he likes it here and was bugging out trying to repeat the year before and wanted to stay. He got paid then wanted to be loved. Good dude btw. The Shrink thinks he tanked cuz he wants to stay and subliminal mind fuck hit him. He'll be fine. We could keep him a year or two also. Obi is a good kid but dumb as rocks. If we can get a good deal for Randle or keep our cap intact he got the job if he stops spazzing and hit 35% from 3.
I would tell Ainge I'm protecting my picks to 12, where Mitchell was taken, and if Ainge can't find talent like we have with IQ, Robinson & Grimes, then he should get a new job. Actually - I would tell that to their owner, after saying we're going to let you keep Donovan, good luck with that and pennies on the dollar because Ainge can't find talent unless it's a no brainer.
I'm just curious here. Since Utah isn't on national broadcast very often, have all of you watched complete Jazz games or mostly Mitchell highlights on YouTube? I'm only asking because I think a lot of you are going to be disappointed in the reality of a Mitchell trade.
His size is a major issue especially of defense. Utah is blowing their sh*t up for a reason.
SergioNYK wrote:My final offer would be 2 unprotected picks (2023, 2025), 3 additional 1st round picks (5 total), Grimes, Fournier and either Rose or Reddish, whom they could re-route to another team.Take it or leave it. You got until a week before the start of training camp.
NO WAY I'm including Obi or a 2027 unprotected. Those are deal breakers for me.
Keep the guy that can shoot. Keep Grimes over Obi imo.
blkexec wrote:I can agree on the no trade with ainge idea, but there’s one improve this DM trade would do is to remove the rotation issue. We have too many players that needs PT. And too many players for Thibs to have a solid rotation. Without the ainge trade, are there any other trade ideas to help the glut of players at different positions? For one Obi and Randle hasn’t worked for Obi sake. IQ, rose, McBride, grimes, Brunson, Fournier, RJ………There’s a lot of guards who needs or deserves PT and thibs likes his rotation short.
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Agree
Brunson/IQ
DM/Grimes
RJ/Cam
Randle/Hart
MR/Sims
Make available EF, Rose and Obi who should have interest. Maybe upgrade Cam and Sims. Add low cost vet guard in case of injury.
Don't think anyone wants Keels, Mcbribe or Hunt so keep them as fill ins/injury/role players. .
HofstraBBall wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Alan Hahn on ESPN now saying deal for Mitchell by no means off the table. Says it's all about the picks. Ainge wants 6 #1's 3 or 4 unprotected. Plus Fournier and probably Grimes.I wouldn't mid giving that up for the guy who puts us in contention. Don't think Mitchell is that guy, partially because of fit.
EF, Obi and 5 picks 2 unprotected. If not, Ainge can go negotiate with those imaginary "other possible suitors"
That's my max, too. DM not worth more b/c he doesn't put us into a new contention state...he's just a nice piece.
