Knicks · IQ at his basketball clinic (page 1)
Nalod wrote:franco12 wrote:I think IQ might be our most dynamic talent. He is a player that can't easialy be stopped and in the playoffs, you need a guy that you can give the ball to and ask to get you buckets.I don't think he will ever be as good as Curry or Donovan, but in a few years, I think he'll be very close and might be our best player.
BLKEXEC, something like this?
WE not talking about Brunson are we? I never said IQ was lacking. I just don't rate him as high.
That's my opinion. Not to say Im right.
My reasoning is I see him breaking down defense by being crafty. Thats not a bad thing, but he does not blow buy many. Im just not convinced of his ceiling as some.
Points in the paint are from the floater. He is very good with it. There is some good and bad that come with that. I did not call him a bum.
My definition of explosive? Blow buy defenders, get to the rim fast, maybe a dunk. IQ is a finesse player. If we must bring Brunson in I'd say he is fundamentally superior to IQ and we might agree he is less of an athlete.You love his intangables. Yes, its all good. Love his personality, his thing with his mom, his soft spoken nature, etc. Good for you. Compared to Randle? Ok. You don't like Randle? That Your opinion. Did I piss in your cornflakes? Nope. We talking about Randle?
Give him a break? I did not slam him did I? I really like the kid. I'm not predicting his ceiling. I quested his playmaking. Its a work in progress last year. He made progress. To what degree?You never saw me play? we not explosive but IQ is? Compared to us, yeah. He would look like a god even at the height of my powers.
so what have we learned Compared to us he is explosive. Compared to Brunson his is more athletic. He is nicer than Randle. He makes Trier look like a saint.
You have a weakness for "Young" two way players. As long as your not a priest, that's cool.
Im long on record and agree that the whole PG thing is over blown. Its about being a playmaker. Have to admit, he is a work in progress there. Im not looking for traditional types either. That he has the range is his strongest attribute. Without hit he lacks in other areas. Its why he fell in the draft but I agree he has exceeded his draft position.
But I stand my my opinion and also see him as off the bench as well.
Compared to us, yeah. He would look like a god even at the height of my powers.
Agree....Well probably for you 
Nothing personal and no attack on you. But you said something that I hear a lot of people say in this forum and outside in other forums. I think overall we devalue craftiness, change of speed, etc....But overvalue explosiveness / dunking. But thank you for answering my questions. Good one on the priest comment. That did come across a little weird, but I tend to like players that reminds me of myself (in my prime). I've played and seen a lot of basketball. And time and time again, the guys who are the top athletes, dunking before games and making the crowd cheer, are not always better than the guys who can barely jump over a dollar bill. Guys who can blow by their man is another example of players that may not always be good. Because those guys tend to be D. Mitchell type chuckers for good reason. They don't need any picks to get in the paint. Thats great. And I appreciate that, and I have personal experience in that area. But as you age, you tend to appreciate the guys that may need a pick to get by their man, because it involves other players which keeps players from standing around and just waiting their turn, and keeps them involved. Thats what you get when you add only explosive, blow by u type of players. And thats why I like JB. He will be durable (incept those drives into the paint he does a lot).
Never said or didn't mean to say you called IQ a bum. Thats a little over exaggerated, but I respect your opinion. I believe IQ might be one of the few players that may not pass the eye test, but I believe in his work ethic, just like RJ....To always improve and eventually be on the level of these other guys. Similar to what Franco said.
I don't hate Randle as a person. I like that he's a father and always shows love to his family. I don't like his game. I think he could be WAY more efficient if he stop trying to be like Kobe and just be like "bully ball" Randle. I'm also an Obi fan because I know what it's like to have a player like Obi on your team, just from my city league coaching perspective. You always need one Randle or two, don't get me wrong. But with JB and RJ, we have that. IQ off the bench, we have that. Players you just give them the ball and say go. But you need a nice mix of Obi types glue guys to win a championship. Same with Grimes. Players who don't need to dribble the air out the ball, and still impact the game on both ends (Grimes). Those guys don't grow on trees anymore. Since you need to show ISO capabilities in todays NBA just to get drafted, 2 way unselfish players are now flooding the GLeague. I hated the triangle but now I'm starting to appreciate system players who excels in the right system vs ISO 1on1 players.
blkexec wrote:Nalod wrote:franco12 wrote:I think IQ might be our most dynamic talent. He is a player that can't easialy be stopped and in the playoffs, you need a guy that you can give the ball to and ask to get you buckets.I don't think he will ever be as good as Curry or Donovan, but in a few years, I think he'll be very close and might be our best player.
BLKEXEC, something like this?
WE not talking about Brunson are we? I never said IQ was lacking. I just don't rate him as high.
That's my opinion. Not to say Im right.
My reasoning is I see him breaking down defense by being crafty. Thats not a bad thing, but he does not blow buy many. Im just not convinced of his ceiling as some.
Points in the paint are from the floater. He is very good with it. There is some good and bad that come with that. I did not call him a bum.
My definition of explosive? Blow buy defenders, get to the rim fast, maybe a dunk. IQ is a finesse player. If we must bring Brunson in I'd say he is fundamentally superior to IQ and we might agree he is less of an athlete.You love his intangables. Yes, its all good. Love his personality, his thing with his mom, his soft spoken nature, etc. Good for you. Compared to Randle? Ok. You don't like Randle? That Your opinion. Did I piss in your cornflakes? Nope. We talking about Randle?
Give him a break? I did not slam him did I? I really like the kid. I'm not predicting his ceiling. I quested his playmaking. Its a work in progress last year. He made progress. To what degree?You never saw me play? we not explosive but IQ is? Compared to us, yeah. He would look like a god even at the height of my powers.
so what have we learned Compared to us he is explosive. Compared to Brunson his is more athletic. He is nicer than Randle. He makes Trier look like a saint.
You have a weakness for "Young" two way players. As long as your not a priest, that's cool.
Im long on record and agree that the whole PG thing is over blown. Its about being a playmaker. Have to admit, he is a work in progress there. Im not looking for traditional types either. That he has the range is his strongest attribute. Without hit he lacks in other areas. Its why he fell in the draft but I agree he has exceeded his draft position.
But I stand my my opinion and also see him as off the bench as well.Compared to us, yeah. He would look like a god even at the height of my powers.Agree....Well probably for you
Nothing personal and no attack on you. But you said something that I hear a lot of people say in this forum and outside in other forums. I think overall we devalue craftiness, change of speed, etc....But overvalue explosiveness / dunking. But thank you for answering my questions. Good one on the priest comment. That did come across a little weird, but I tend to like players that reminds me of myself (in my prime). I've played and seen a lot of basketball. And time and time again, the guys who are the top athletes, dunking before games and making the crowd cheer, are not always better than the guys who can barely jump over a dollar bill. Guys who can blow by their man is another example of players that may not always be good. Because those guys tend to be D. Mitchell type chuckers for good reason. They don't need any picks to get in the paint. Thats great. And I appreciate that, and I have personal experience in that area. But as you age, you tend to appreciate the guys that may need a pick to get by their man, because it involves other players which keeps players from standing around and just waiting their turn, and keeps them involved. Thats what you get when you add only explosive, blow by u type of players. And thats why I like JB. He will be durable (incept those drives into the paint he does a lot).
Never said or didn't mean to say you called IQ a bum. Thats a little over exaggerated, but I respect your opinion. I believe IQ might be one of the few players that may not pass the eye test, but I believe in his work ethic, just like RJ....To always improve and eventually be on the level of these other guys. Similar to what Franco said.
I don't hate Randle as a person. I like that he's a father and always shows love to his family. I don't like his game. I think he could be WAY more efficient if he stop trying to be like Kobe and just be like "bully ball" Randle. I'm also an Obi fan because I know what it's like to have a player like Obi on your team, just from my city league coaching perspective. You always need one Randle or two, don't get me wrong. But with JB and RJ, we have that. IQ off the bench, we have that. Players you just give them the ball and say go. But you need a nice mix of Obi types glue guys to win a championship. Same with Grimes. Players who don't need to dribble the air out the ball, and still impact the game on both ends (Grimes). Those guys don't grow on trees anymore. Since you need to show ISO capabilities in todays NBA just to get drafted, 2 way unselfish players are now flooding the GLeague. I hated the triangle but now I'm starting to appreciate system players who excels in the right system vs ISO 1on1 players.
We agree more than not. In short Brunson is less of an athlete and a better basketball player.
Earl has more flash was quicker, Clyde was more complete basketball player. I don't think they measured wingspan back in the day. Both likely had long arms!!
I do like Jules and agree less would be more. And if he is not dealt our success depends on him being all that. Mook Morris looked like an offensive juggernaut here when they gave him the ball.
Somewhere Randle and Thibs need to figure it out and expect they should.
Agree guys like Jah Morant are fun to watch but not the end all . He is a star.
OBI has the flash and can fly. I too like his personality and root for him do be more than a dunk machine. We saw more at seasons end.
I like IQ in a microwave spark off the bench like his hero Lou Williams.
I retired from the game a long time ago. Key I guess is to never stop? Then don't!!! Good for you!
blkexec wrote:Marv wrote:blkexec wrote:
I never saw you play basketball, but I've played and still play (and I'm approaching 50). I would guess your explosiveness is the same as mine (or less). And I would say you and I are in the "not explosive" category. I will not say thats true for IQ.
Nalod wrote:I retired from the game a long time ago. Key I guess is to never stop? Then don't!!! Good for you!i came out of basketball retirement in my 50's to play a uk pickup game. about a week later i caught my breath.
I’ll be 50 next year so I know my time is coming. But right now I just can’t seem to self motivate myself into running on a treadmill or doing drills on my own. Basketball is the only thing (besides sx) that gets my cardio up. 🤣
But that’s a good one man. A week to catch your breath. I definitely understand that.
No man i could never do a treadmill or any of that crap. here’s the routine - get upstate to the mountains, prep with a few shots of patron or casa azul, slap in the airpods and put on a playlist of heavy funk - i go for bobby byrd/jr walker/parliament/kool & the gang/isleys/jimmy bo horne/gap band, that kind of thing. Get on a trail with a decent incline, get the juices flowing and let it rip for a couple of hours, 16 or 17,000 steps. Then pound some glasses of ice water and hit the hot tub with a bottle of prosseco and chill out to miles, ahmad jamal, cannonball, coltrane, ramsey lewis, yusef lateef, that kind of thing. that’s a senior workout 
Marv wrote:blkexec wrote:Marv wrote:blkexec wrote:
I never saw you play basketball, but I've played and still play (and I'm approaching 50). I would guess your explosiveness is the same as mine (or less). And I would say you and I are in the "not explosive" category. I will not say thats true for IQ.
Nalod wrote:I retired from the game a long time ago. Key I guess is to never stop? Then don't!!! Good for you!i came out of basketball retirement in my 50's to play a uk pickup game. about a week later i caught my breath.
I’ll be 50 next year so I know my time is coming. But right now I just can’t seem to self motivate myself into running on a treadmill or doing drills on my own. Basketball is the only thing (besides sx) that gets my cardio up. 🤣
But that’s a good one man. A week to catch your breath. I definitely understand that.
No man i could never do a treadmill or any of that crap. here’s the routine - get upstate to the mountains, prep with a few shots of patron or casa azul, slap in the airpods and put on a playlist of heavy funk - i go for bobby byrd/jr walker/parliament/kool & the gang/isleys/jimmy bo horne/gap band, that kind of thing. Get on a trail with a decent incline, get the juices flowing and let it rip for a couple of hours, 16 or 17,000 steps. Then pound some glasses of ice water and hit the hot tub with a bottle of prosseco and chill out to miles, ahmad jamal, cannonball, coltrane, ramsey lewis, yusef lateef, that kind of thing. that’s a senior workout
Yeah man, sometimes, and I can dig it hit my pen few time and put miles on the turntable then kick back.
Nalod wrote:Marv wrote:blkexec wrote:Marv wrote:blkexec wrote:
I never saw you play basketball, but I've played and still play (and I'm approaching 50). I would guess your explosiveness is the same as mine (or less). And I would say you and I are in the "not explosive" category. I will not say thats true for IQ.
Nalod wrote:I retired from the game a long time ago. Key I guess is to never stop? Then don't!!! Good for you!i came out of basketball retirement in my 50's to play a uk pickup game. about a week later i caught my breath.
I’ll be 50 next year so I know my time is coming. But right now I just can’t seem to self motivate myself into running on a treadmill or doing drills on my own. Basketball is the only thing (besides sx) that gets my cardio up. 🤣
But that’s a good one man. A week to catch your breath. I definitely understand that.
No man i could never do a treadmill or any of that crap. here’s the routine - get upstate to the mountains, prep with a few shots of patron or casa azul, slap in the airpods and put on a playlist of heavy funk - i go for bobby byrd/jr walker/parliament/kool & the gang/isleys/jimmy bo horne/gap band, that kind of thing. Get on a trail with a decent incline, get the juices flowing and let it rip for a couple of hours, 16 or 17,000 steps. Then pound some glasses of ice water and hit the hot tub with a bottle of prosseco and chill out to miles, ahmad jamal, cannonball, coltrane, ramsey lewis, yusef lateef, that kind of thing. that’s a senior workout
Yeah man, sometimes, and I can dig it hit my pen few time and put miles on the turntable then kick back.
I think I’m starting to like you guys more outside of knick talks. Tennis is a great alternative. Wow going back to when music was good and better than this trap music u hear on the radio. Pen? Ok I see you. I got a pen or two. Love the trail idea, especially with a few shots. Nice 👍