Knicks have to draft top 7 this year and use the three picks we got last draft along with the Dallas pick to move up for another top ten pick. Next draft is the draft to draft twice in the top ten
Alpha1971 wrote:Knicks have to draft top 7 this year and use the three picks we got last draft along with the Dallas pick to move up for another top ten pick. Next draft is the draft to draft twice in the top ten
Thompson Twins would be good for us.
Great day for the Knicks👏👏👏
Now I get to see Grimes turn into Klay Thompson 2.0 for the Knicks.👍🏿🎉👏👏
I been busy so just saw that he was traded to the Cavs and like I said all along I am fine with it if the Jazz wanted 3 UPs 2 swaps and Grimes and Toppin. If they only wanted the 3 Ups and 2 swaps I would have done the trade. We could not afford to give up players and picks.
Steve Kerr, now Danny Ainge has USED the Knicks to make their $$$ price !!!
EwingsGlass wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I really like Donovan Mitchell as a human being, so I hoped he would end up here. But, the price was too much. I don't think Cleveland made a great decision giving up Agbaji, 3 unprotected and 2 swaps. I think they overstate their ranking in the league. I think it is smart that those don't kick in until 3 years from now when their young core should be better developed, but man, I think they paid too much. They don't have much downside protection.
Garland, DM, Okoro, Mobley, Allen are pretty good downside protection. They are all young and on high trajectories. Not like they traded all their young proven players for some old guy. Lauri and Sexton were on downtrend and Agbaji still needs to prove he is good. Pretty sure they can get those picks back if they needed to pivot from DM and Garland. But time will tell. As it will for us. Right now the Knicks are betting that Grimes, Obi and RJ 5 Picks will be better than DM. Think that is a good bet.
Downside I am worried about is injury. I agree it’s a great young team. I’d say their youth movement is a couple years ahead of ours such that they can make that move. But lightning strikes and they could be down for a decade.
True. But that can happen to any team.
Curious to see what the next move is.
Uptown wrote:
Yea, I am good with passing. Bro they wanted 3 UPs,2 swaps RJ and Quick. I don't think top 5 protection makes the Cavs offer better. They just after these long negotiations did not want to send him to NY.
Alpha1971 wrote:Knicks have to draft top 7 this year and use the three picks we got last draft along with the Dallas pick to move up for another top ten pick. Next draft is the draft to draft twice in the top ten
And the tank talk has already begun. Cheese whiz....
I got no problem with not trading for Mitchell then. We got a bunch of picks in a loaded draft next year. Can't wait to see what we do with them. The Jazz wanted us to pay the Knicks tax.
Why is everyone saying 3 picks when it's been reported the Knicks would have sent out a 1st rounder to a 3rd team to get them to eat Fournier's contract? I'm guessing that would have been one of the protected picks from DET CHO or DAL, 3+1= 4
@Ewingsglass- RJ had his contract extended. Sexton was a RFA so this was a new contract for him. Poison pill means they average the value of the extension into his rookie year. Sextons rookie contract is over, he will start his new one this season.
Someone pointed out how cheap CJ was for the NOT. This happens every season come January where a team that felt they had a chance to be in the playoffs decides to fold their hand. I'm thinking Rose could look a lot smarter in January when the Knicks trade 2 protected picks for Terry Rozier or something.
I think the deal worked for the Jazz and Cavs. They both got what they wanted. Biggest losers are the Utah fans. They haven't seen much losing over the years so I guess it's fair. Still, yeesh- that's going to be a tough team to root for.
gradyandrew wrote:Why is everyone saying 3 picks when it's been reported the Knicks would have sent out a 1st rounder to a 3rd team to get them to eat Fournier's contract? I'm guessing that would have been one of the protected picks from DET CHO or DAL, 3+1= 4@Ewingsglass- RJ had his contract extended. Sexton was a RFA so this was a new contract for him. Poison pill means they average the value of the extension into his rookie year. Sextons rookie contract is over, he will start his new one this season.
Someone pointed out how cheap CJ was for the NOT. This happens every season come January where a team that felt they had a chance to be in the playoffs decides to fold their hand. I'm thinking Rose could look a lot smarter in January when the Knicks trade 2 protected picks for Terry Rozier or something.
I think the deal worked for the Jazz and Cavs. They both got what they wanted. Biggest losers are the Utah fans. They haven't seen much losing over the years so I guess it's fair. Still, yeesh- that's going to be a tough team to root for.
The weird part is Utah wanted that pick to be unprotected too… it just stinks to high heaven of them cutting the Knicks at the knees long term. Look at those Cavs picks 4 of them go to Utah after Mitchell’s current deal is done. He could walk and the Cavs still have to pay Ainge.
I know Donovan is a star and we need stars, but I don’t think he was the one we needed, especially with our roster. We might suck again, but we came close to making this deal and another option might come up later on. I’m ok with passing up.
that was an insane price, even with protection, we were offering - and I see the CAVs deal as a lot less value.
We may bash RJ - but honestly right there - RJ for Mitchell - should be close to equal value.
In the end RJ was more valuable in the deal than thought. That is a bit surprising. I’ve bid on houses before and lost, but never regretted. Often a better deal comes along. In fact, I usually felt good not getting too emotional about it.
At point Leon talked to Dolan and laid out the vision and Dolan must have been cool with it.
Fact RJ as a trade chip at this point is not cool with me. Three years vested.
We’ll see more of Clev and they could be looking really good and no doubt until knicks start winning media will bash them for the obvious. Why?
Well, lets be real, we have some posters here that spew nothing but the negative and enjoy it. So there is that. Bad and negative news sells. Abstract reasonability does not.
Meanwhile what is the place we need bigest upgrade at? WE are balanced and Deep for now. Keeping those unprotected was insurance. Lets be real, players get ACLs and if DM went down we would be fucked. Fact is teams dip and if you blow out your unprotected you can’t recover. GSW recovered. Clev rebuilt using conventional ways.
I won’t hate on Ainge though. Fucker got a good deal for DM and puts his team in a good spot to execute. Sure some picks will not pan out, but more picks more opportunity!
That is a brutal price Cleveland paid but they also have significant pieces in place we don’t.
So glad Knicks didn’t make that deal (way too much) BUT at same time very concerned Knicks were that close to actually agreeing to huge package like that.
PLUS now every GM in the league knows what we were willing to offer for Mitch and will use that against us in other negotiations. How were our offers all over the web yet Cleveland offer only surfaced post trade completion. Poor management.
Bottom line I prefer where we are vs giving up RJ, IQ, 3 unprotected, Fournier (4th 1st via trade), 2 swaps, 2 seconds….etc…etc
My take:
Very glad we didn’t make the deal. I do not want a 6’1”/6’1” backcourt . Would have been a very different question if we hadn’t signed brunson.
Glad about the rj extension . Excited about next year’s team.
Not sold on thibs. See him as a one-trick pony as a coach. He has a huge opportunity this year to supercede his rep or confirm it .
Go knicks
LivingLegend wrote:That is a brutal price Cleveland paid but they also have significant pieces in place we don’t.So glad Knicks didn’t make that deal (way too much) BUT at same time very concerned Knicks were that close to actually agreeing to huge package like that.
PLUS now every GM in the league knows what we were willing to offer for Mitch and will use that against us in other negotiations. How were our offers all over the web yet Cleveland offer only surfaced post trade completion. Poor management.
Bottom line I prefer where we are vs giving up RJ, IQ, 3 unprotected, Fournier (4th 1st via trade), 2 swaps, 2 seconds….etc…etc
I think Knicks management was behind the leaks. They were crowd sourcing the deals to see how the fanbase would react and then immediately leaked their best offer to assuage us. Cavaliers don't have the same level of fan engagement and their ticket prices are a lot cheaper. Knicks worry about how many people subscribe to the MSG network.
Interesting thing is that even with the top 5 protection, the Knicks offer was better than Cavs, because Cavs should be lower value picks than the Knicks as they should be the better team.
