Allanfan20 wrote:Vmart wrote:I have the Knicks winning around 28-34. There will be trades, Randle, Fournier.
If Randle is trash, we can totally be way lower than that. I am just wearing my orange and blue colored glasses and thinking he’ll play better. He has to, otherwise f’ him.
Honestly I think RJ needs to move to the second unit for a 3 and D guy (que Reddish to step up) but we all know that will never happen. Coach also needs to tell Randle to play hard on both sides of the ball then I’ll sub you out but again….
Not much left of my ass to hang out after all these years. Not as a knick fan.
Early to do this but wtf.
Record: 41-41. East is. Bitch.
Thibs don’t get fired because his teams don’t quit on him. If we suck, its because of injuries, not cause he lost them.
I predict Randle handles the ball less and thus his number drop but his efficiency goes up. My hope he plays more at the 3 and obi gets more time.
Brunson expecations are bloated. It won’t be easy for him at to start.
One of Grime, Obi, or IQ will disappoint his fanboy’s. They will blame Thibs.
Two will succeed. They will blame Thibs for not doing it sooner.
Is this team expected to do great things based on its roster? Not yet. Coaches get fired for fucking up great teams. We are not a great team. Not yet.
I agree with Martin that Miami is prime for a down year. Herro is playing for his supper. I don’t believe they extended him. Lowrey play a full schedule? Bam gets hurt. I think he lifts too many weights. How do I know? Same as most of the fans that think they know what Randle is thinking around here. I don’t.
Bucks should be top seed if healthy.
But nets will be if they are healthy.
Sixers look good. Harden lost 100 lbs and Emiiiid should be pumped. If healthy
Im going Cavs here. If healthy. DM is good.
Celtics don’t give a shit about Udoka and it won’t linger. Maybe new guy is better. Nia is not that hot. Get over it.
Raptors. I don’t know why, but it will happen.
Miami. Bam will tear a bicept. but they won’t suck.
ATL: too much firepower.
Knick: yep
Wizards. KP contract year. Good depth.
Bulls. Hard to put them this low. But I really don’t give a shit about them. Hope Lonzo did not give Lavar too much of his money. I think in the end his inner self hates his dad and his body is rebelling. Lamelo won’t have this problem. He is an idiot.
I think Magic will be better than most think. Banchero rookie of the year. Devos have to stop drafting these devout NBA dudes. Dwight Howard betrayed his lord and Jonathon Issaic might be a righteous dude but his knees aren’t. Suggs is clean cut kid, but Cole Anthony is not and he is dong better!
Pacers are tanking.
Detoit is pretending to be the rockets.
Player movement? We trade DRose. If we not .500 by january EF gets traded. Thats it. Randle is never leaving. Ever.
Grimes I hope takes the job in time. Not because we suck, but because he flat out killing it! Perhaps we trade EF then. IHeart will be ok. Not exepecting much. Hope for more.
Cam Reddish. Not a single youtube video. I predict he will back up RJ. Randle might play some three and he (cam)will ask for a trade come January. We’ll get a protected first rounder for him. No worries. Aller don’t blow assets.
RJ is going to kill it and make all those who doubted him eat crow! His destiny will be fulfilled. So it is written.
My crazy predictions
I think they trade Fournier not to give Grimes minutes but because his $18 Mil salary is good way to add a younger talented player to the roster that they could re-up using bird rights. Nothing against Fournier, but when they can re-up him in 2024 he’ll be 32 and existing his prime. They trade him now they can get a younger 4th option under contract from 2023 until 2027 when 18 mil will be worth a lot less of the cap space.
I think this team wins 46+ games off of defense, hard work, and having a better bench than most the league. Similar to what led to them winning in 2020. The main difference is the rebounding and drawing fouls will go up thanks to a better rotation of PG and Centers. I have them penciled in as a 7-6 seed. Maybe a little higher if Brunson is as good for the Knicks as the FO keeps saying he will be.
Thibs will also play the youth because he has too. The only short term vets on the team is Fournier and Rose. Grimes, Cam, IQ, and Obi will see enough minutes that the fans won’t want to see Thib fired for neglect, because he can’t neglect them. If/when they trade Fournier Thibs instinct to not to trust new guys will see him rely on the kids even more. The new vet might get minutes but we got to see.
This year is going to be great for Basketball too. Only 4 teams seem set to tank. The rest of the lottery is going to have to be forced to be there by everyone else.
47 wins if D. Rose doesnt miss a lot of games.
GustavBahler wrote:47 wins if D. Rose doesnt miss a lot of games.
That is a tough call. I’m sure he will get injured and that is Thibs go to guy without Rose, Thibs isn’t very good coach.
SergioNYK wrote:Not on the list but I see Thibs getting fired midseason at 50/50. I don't think a .500 record or play-in is going to cut it.
If Thibs gets fired/forced to reason midseason that means Isiah is back as shadow GM again
martin wrote:Win Record?No playoffs, play-in, straight into playoffs, seed?
Any player movement predictions?
Which players will stand out this year?
Opening day starting lineup? And who is out of rotation if no trades before start of season?
40-42 OR 54-28 lol
We will be in the fight for a Play In spot until the last two games of the year.
We trade no one unless a big name becomes available
Brunson, Grimes will stand out.
Starters: Brunson, EF, RJ, Randle, MR with Grimes starting after 20 games.
Rotation: Brunson, Rose, EF, IQ, RJ, Grimes, Randle, Obi, MR, Hart.
Cam out until injury or foul trouble.
I so wish I had the optimism some of you have!
Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:47 wins if D. Rose doesnt miss a lot of games.
That is a tough call. I’m sure he will get injured and that is Thibs go to guy without Rose, Thibs isn’t very good coach.
one of the best coaches in the league. Literally
52 wins. RJ and Brunson become All-Stars.
1. Thibs will try to recreate the 2020-21 magic by sliding Cam in as the starting 3 and RJ back to the 2 where he can use his strength to attack mismatches. Fournier will take over the Burks role as off the bench marksman.
2. Fans will complain all season about Grimes not getting enough playing time.
3. Thibs has consistently engineered a top ranked defense. Because of the overall lack of quality teams out West, it will be difficult to lead the league. Knicks will maintain a top 5 defensive ranking all season.
4. Knicks bench will also be top 5 in +/-
5. Brunson's numbers will disappoint, averaging 15/6. Many will say he was overpaid.
6. Randle will bounce back to league average efficiency at the same 20/10/5 numbers
7. Lastly, the Knicks will start out as a .500 team but by the All Star break will be the 4 seed.
It will never happen, and shouldnt happen. RJ has shown a lot more than Cam, careerwise.
Rookie wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Vmart wrote:I have the Knicks winning around 28-34. There will be trades, Randle, Fournier.
If Randle is trash, we can totally be way lower than that. I am just wearing my orange and blue colored glasses and thinking he’ll play better. He has to, otherwise f’ him.
Honestly I think RJ needs to move to the second unit for a 3 and D guy (que Reddish to step up) but we all know that will never happen. Coach also needs to tell Randle to play hard on both sides of the ball then I’ll sub you out but again….
Martin, can we sticky this thread so we can up the gloating and trash talking throughout the season? I can't wait for some of my predictions to fail epicly and be reminded of my lack of expertise all season long.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:47 wins if D. Rose doesnt miss a lot of games.
That is a tough call. I’m sure he will get injured and that is Thibs go to guy without Rose, Thibs isn’t very good coach.
one of the best coaches in the league. Literally
Talk about over exaggeration on both sides. For the record, I disagree with both of you. cheers 🍻 to a good season of finger pointing and fan gloating. I agree that we should make this thread a sticky. I’m sure some of our take will sound silly to outrageous near mid season. Let me hang my azz and announce My Pessimistic Predictions.
1. Fans and media pressure will force the FO to trade Randle mid season.
2. Fournier will come off the bench due to lack of defense by both JB and EF. (Similar to Kemba and EF debacle) This time Thibs will learn his lesson and not treat EF like he did Kemba, but instead just move EF to bench instead of removing him from the team. 🤦♂️
3. Thibs will be on the hot seat all season for his rotations and not holding Randle accountable. 😡
4. Cams trade request will be officially leaked and he will be traded mid season. 👋
5. Rose will be forced to retire due to injuries. 🤕
6. DMitch will lead the cavs to the finals resulting in FO being on hot seat. 🔥
7. Sell the team message to Dolan will be a main stream topic across all social media platforms. 🐣
8. Knicks barely miss the playoffs or playin. 😞
9. Knicks fall one spot short of drafting a future star. 😤
I’m learning from Briggs. Just mention all the possible scenarios so I can reply with a bunch of “I told you so” threads.
I will save my optimistic view by actually responding to Martins thread out takes. Seems like a good way to start the fan momentum heading into training csmp or preseason. Just had to get my pessimist side out before all the positive training camp fluff that’s coming……..Like EF who said “the reason why he was bad on defense last season was because he allowed his offense to dictate his defense” Once his offense improved his defense improved. I kinda agree with that.
To me that’s the main issue with this team in the past. We had too many players last year n years in the past with this issue like Randle in my opinion and maybe a little of RJ and definitely Burks and several others.
RJ is getting better at that but EF and Randle hurt us when their offfense wasn’t clicking individually or as a tandem. They did improve and I saw a little Randle and bullock connection with EF. So hopefully that’s a positive sign.
But overall our leaders can not let their offensive ups and downs dictate their defense. That’s one of the main things I will look at all season. I believe that’s the key for us making or not making the playoffs or playin.
42 wins and 8th place.......this will represent a slow and steady progression. No major trades and groundhog day here on Ultimateknicks regarding the yoots, tanking, fire Thibs and trade Randle/Fournier crowd.
gradyandrew wrote:1. Thibs will try to recreate the 2020-21 magic by sliding Cam in as the starting 3 and RJ back to the 2 where he can use his strength to attack mismatches. Fournier will take over the Burks role as off the bench marksman.2. Fans will complain all season about Grimes not getting enough playing time.
3. Thibs has consistently engineered a top ranked defense. Because of the overall lack of quality teams out West, it will be difficult to lead the league. Knicks will maintain a top 5 defensive ranking all season.
4. Knicks bench will also be top 5 in +/-
5. Brunson's numbers will disappoint, averaging 15/6. Many will say he was overpaid.
6. Randle will bounce back to league average efficiency at the same 20/10/5 numbers
7. Lastly, the Knicks will start out as a .500 team but by the All Star break will be the 4 seed.
Disagree with the bold. The west will be more potent this year, than last...
Clippers: Kwahi and George are back. Added Powell
Pho: probably wont win 64, but will still be very good as long as Paul is healthy
Memphis: Will be better than last year
GS: Just won a chip. Healthy off season for Klay
Denver: Murray is back
Dallas: Lost Brunson; Still has Luka. Added Wood and McGee.
Pels: Zion back; full season with CJ
Wolves: Should be better this year
Lakers: Can't be worse than last year? Can they? New coach should give them a jolt, but who knows about AD
Portland: Healthy Dame will allow them to compete for a play-in spot
Sac-Town: Should be better than last year
I also think 47 wins, and ironically it would only be good for play-in tournament in stacked East.
I suspect we will see the Celtics have a dramatic season with no playoffs, perhaps due to a loss in play-in against the Knicks...
The drama around the couch is crazy and that team seriously overachieved last year.
Since this is a prediction thread I thought to throw that nugget in there...
Uptown wrote:gradyandrew wrote:1. Thibs will try to recreate the 2020-21 magic by sliding Cam in as the starting 3 and RJ back to the 2 where he can use his strength to attack mismatches. Fournier will take over the Burks role as off the bench marksman.2. Fans will complain all season about Grimes not getting enough playing time.
3. Thibs has consistently engineered a top ranked defense. Because of the overall lack of quality teams out West, it will be difficult to lead the league. Knicks will maintain a top 5 defensive ranking all season.
4. Knicks bench will also be top 5 in +/-
5. Brunson's numbers will disappoint, averaging 15/6. Many will say he was overpaid.
6. Randle will bounce back to league average efficiency at the same 20/10/5 numbers
7. Lastly, the Knicks will start out as a .500 team but by the All Star break will be the 4 seed.
Disagree with the bold. The west will be more potent this year, than last...
Clippers: Kwahi and George are back. Added Powell
Pho: probably wont win 64, but will still be very good as long as Paul is healthy
Memphis: Will be better than last year
GS: Just won a chip. Healthy off season for Klay
Denver: Murray is back
Dallas: Lost Brunson; Still has Luka. Added Wood and McGee.
Pels: Zion back; full season with CJ
Wolves: Should be better this year
Lakers: Can't be worse than last year? Can they? New coach should give them a jolt, but who knows about AD
Portland: Healthy Dame will allow them to compete for a play-in spot
Sac-Town: Should be better than last year
I'm talking more about the bottom end of the Conference where Utah and San Antonio have joined OKC and Houston as teams going for a deep rebuild. Having 18 games a season vs 12 in the East (where only the Magic are tanking hard) against tank squads will have repercussions in records and overall stats. You will see a 60 win team out west while in the East the top team will win 50-55.
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:47 wins if D. Rose doesnt miss a lot of games.
That is a tough call. I’m sure he will get injured and that is Thibs go to guy without Rose, Thibs isn’t very good coach.
one of the best coaches in the league. Literally
Talk about over exaggeration on both sides. For the record, I disagree with both of you. cheers 🍻 to a good season of finger pointing and fan gloating. I agree that we should make this thread a sticky. I’m sure some of our take will sound silly to outrageous near mid season. Let me hang my azz and announce My Pessimistic Predictions.
1. Fans and media pressure will force the FO to trade Randle mid season.
2. Fournier will come off the bench due to lack of defense by both JB and EF. (Similar to Kemba and EF debacle) This time Thibs will learn his lesson and not treat EF like he did Kemba, but instead just move EF to bench instead of removing him from the team. 🤦♂️
3. Thibs will be on the hot seat all season for his rotations and not holding Randle accountable. 😡
4. Cams trade request will be officially leaked and he will be traded mid season. 👋
5. Rose will be forced to retire due to injuries. 🤕
6. DMitch will lead the cavs to the finals resulting in FO being on hot seat. 🔥
7. Sell the team message to Dolan will be a main stream topic across all social media platforms. 🐣
8. Knicks barely miss the playoffs or playin. 😞
9. Knicks fall one spot short of drafting a future star. 😤
I’m learning from Briggs. Just mention all the possible scenarios so I can reply with a bunch of “I told you so” threads.
its not a great team, but its a good, deep, balanced roster that will be well coached and defend every night. They are young and will have an incredibly energetic bench. We have a good developmental coaching staff and we have seen that play out positively in real time. We are led by 2 time COY. Some fans cant tell the differnce between playing basketball the right way and "being a win-now coach" (SPOILER: there is no phucking difference
)
2 years ago Thibs took over the Fizdale dumpster fire and we have been 78-76 under since.
My favorite is the "cant wait to get rid of Thibs to play the kids who look so good and ready to play having been coached by Thibs" crowd. Its a circle wank with no finish
Knicks will feast on the NBA weak this year... something they couldnt do last year and did the year before. Our bench and defense should ensure that. That's there the 45 wins are coming from. I think a few more but I have seen 45 in some media spots (ESPN for one)
