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ESOMKnicks @ 11/4/2022 5:59 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?

Alpha1971 @ 11/4/2022 6:46 AM
Around the league any GM interested in trading for Julius ???
BigDaddyG @ 11/4/2022 7:02 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?


The Nets are a government entity now? Kyrie decided to spit on whatever moral clauses his employer established and he's getting spanked. Most of us would get fired.
SergioNYK @ 11/4/2022 9:35 AM
Kudos to the Nets for suspending that POS. Took them long enough! And Kookie Kyrie will never play in Brooklyn again. I hope KD rots there now.

And shame on the Lakers or any other team that signs that idiot.

Clean @ 11/4/2022 10:08 AM
What's funny to me is as a kid I would see guys who spread this type of information all the time. It was known that they are mostly BS artists and you just ignore them and walk by. Are there some truths in what they say. Of course there is that is how these things work. They have some truth and a whole lot of BS with that little bit of truth. It is always the people who think they are smarter than everyone else who fall easiest for BS stuff like this. I also don't believe for a second that Kyrie is really sorry. He just does not want to lose more money after last year. Look at how he was that last media scrum. You don't go from that to truly apologetic in less than a day.
Nalod @ 11/4/2022 10:23 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?


The Nets are a government entity now? Kyrie decided to spit on whatever moral clauses his employer established and he's getting spanked. Most of us would get fired.

Bezos? Really? I don’t object to stopping people from expressing themselves. Ideas are not dangerous, its when falsehoods they are purported as facts is when its objectionable.
Mein Kompf is not a banned book. We should be able to digest and decide. Im not about banning books lets not blame Bezo’s. That book or movie can be bought in other places. If he produced the movie with his money, then thats a bit different.

Kyrie interview yesterday he deflects into his ancestry as his reasoning “I know who I am and cool with that”. Kyrie is senstivie to the history of black men and women in our country. He is cool with “What I read, and reading sets me free”. Thats fine. But he reads conspiracy theories and seems to take them as fact. To me he is saying “my ancestry was afflicted by evil and I don’t care about others”.

Should a jew be allowed to be racially bias then blame our persecutions thru history as “since my people was injured, its ok for me to do to others”? Is it cool for me to say “Well, slavery also is black on black as some tribes were taken as slaves by others”. That is not cool to justify anything. its also taking out of context.

Kyrie and Kanye are perpetuating that some bad players who were jewish represent the whole religion. They use a common tool that Jews are a race of people also. That is like saying Black men and women who are muslims, christian, jewish, and from all different cultures are the same because the color of their skin. A Jewsih Dutch Slave trader in the 1700’s is not the same as a British Banker in the 1800’s or the shop keeper in the 1900’s Germany. They are in fact Dutch, German, and english people. Jews, like christians practice in many different ways. Orthodox, Conservative and Reform. There are also many diffreences among those subsets. In history are their demented Jews that turned to a form of Satin worship? Perhaps. Do they represent the whole? Does Kyrie and Kanye represent the black race as a whole?

Nobody told Kayne to not express his views. Addidas derives 40% of its profits from his line. Money forced Adidas to make its decision. Lets not be naive, money is why Adidas and Kanye had a relationship to begin with. White supremest groups love when a black man does antisemitic. Kanye has a very strange affinity for hitler. White supremest groups don’t love black men or women.

Kayne is free to sell his designs on his own. He does not need Adidas. he can bank roll his own stores, hire people, and have at it. He is not in some forced labor camp or bound by a bad contract. His actions forced Adidas to cut him loose.
Kyrie is free to play basketball. He can pick up a ball anywhere and play and speak his mind. He is not being persecuted for his thoughts. He is being economically denied by the same people that economically advantaged him because of his talents and people pay to see exceptional talent and people. He is a great basketball player but fans, as do many of you are influenced by greatness and purchase products promoted by the team and its players, and are influenced by style and music they listen too. They are given a platform to speak. This is how it works.

His idiocy is his and he owned it. His stance on Vax? I did not agree with it but respected it. I though the Nets caved when they allowed him to play away games. Not sure how his teammates felt about that. It cost him some $17mil, and that was his choice. He wants to make an idiot of himself with conspiracy of flat earth thats his to own. Buh bye uncle Drew.

He was real cute on his mention of Alex Jones. Crossed the line there. What jones did was despicable and crossed the line on free speech and decency. Spewing lies to incite hate for his own profit. Kyrie has an audience. He tweeted about a book or movie he saw and did not understand the falsehoods contained it it. Cute to say “I did not make the movie”.
Asking Kyrie “are you antisemtic” is the same as “do you hate people of the Jewish faith”. He deflected and would not answer. Thats why he was suspended.

The book in question denies the holocaust. It was not just Jews btw. He would not meet with people to discuss why he so put off so many people.

NBA does not block his personal views and disallow his thoughts. he can privately hate on anyone he desires. But make it public, and your in the business of selling tickets and sponserships? Thats not gonna work. I can be the most hateful racist out there but I can’t express myself to employees or broadcast it to the public and still represent my company or the shareholders who own it.
They can fire me and I can go on my racist ass self the rest of my days.

Kayne or Kyrie is not being stifled. They are experiencing the consequences of deriving economic wealth from being a public figure and the backlash of expressing their opinions openly and tarnishing their brand.

Chandler @ 11/4/2022 1:17 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?


The Nets are a government entity now? Kyrie decided to spit on whatever moral clauses his employer established and he's getting spanked. Most of us would get fired.

Big Daddy has it right. 1st amendment is a prohibition against Federal Govt. Employers can and do impose restrictions all the time.

really is a shame that a lot of players aren't telling him to clam up

LivingLegend @ 11/4/2022 2:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:

Bet you Fournier still can't guard him.

Am full month to get FAT again - love it

LivingLegend @ 11/4/2022 2:44 PM
Uptown wrote:
Clean wrote:

Most likely played his last game in a net uni...

Creative way to get to Lakers?

Nalod @ 11/4/2022 2:51 PM
Chandler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?


The Nets are a government entity now? Kyrie decided to spit on whatever moral clauses his employer established and he's getting spanked. Most of us would get fired.

Big Daddy has it right. 1st amendment is a prohibition against Federal Govt. Employers can and do impose restrictions all the time.

really is a shame that a lot of players aren't telling him to clam up

Yep. Maybe players in the association are in private which is cool. Klown Kyrie is Vice president of the players association.
I have not been a Kyrie hater up until now. There are lines to cross. Mostly his distractions were to his team but his fellow players mostly said good things about him.
Lines were crossed.

I understand when a racial slur is used by a white player or owner the black community gets upset. Very few jewish players in the league so I get the difference.

2.4% of U.S. population is jewish. NY metro Area is 11% jewish, about 2.1million. Los Angeles 4.7% or 622,000. Dumb fuck just shit on the two markets that will have him.
Chicago about 300,000 or 3% of its population.

And yes ESOMKnicks, private employers can and do impose themselves for public displays of stupidity spewing hate. "Karens" are fired for such acts.

donald sterling is Jewish. A rasist asshole.
Robert Sarver is an out of date misogynistic ass.
They were both called out for their words and actions.

league did not mandate they sell but they did due to public pressure.
Other owners apply peer pressure in these instances.
Kyrie seems intent to not be told what to do or the perception of it. Men grow and learn. Some are abstinent and won't bend. To each his own.
Private companies like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil-A can do as they please. Publicly traded companies are more sensitive to racial and anti semitic climate of its activities.
NBA uses public funded buildings which complicates things. Their sponsers seek to invest in teams to enhance visibility and postive brand awareness. If your Nets in the largest jewish market how is that gonna work?
Lakers are second.

Owners? Currently many ownership groups have jewish ownership stakes. Notable heavy weights Micky Aronson, Herb Simon, Mark Cuban, Gruber/Lacob of GSW, Steve Ballmer, Dan Gilbert, Josh Harris, Mark Lasry, and Jerry Reinsdorf. NBA is not perfect but they generally are more progressive a league when compared to other major leagues. Its players have been primarily black americans but now are also embracing international players and those markets to expand. Not all ownersand GM's historically have behaved well but many have. Red Auerbach and the Celtics were trailblazers and its success is well chronicled both on and off the court.
It was the right thing to do and good business to do so! Did all their fans like it? Of course not.

It will be very interesting to see Kyrie career going forward. He'll pick up some fans along the way no doubt but will he play in the NBA again?


Nalod @ 11/4/2022 2:52 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Clean wrote:

Most likely played his last game in a net uni...

Creative way to get to Lakers?

City with the second largest jewish population? This should be interesting.

GustavBahler @ 11/4/2022 4:23 PM
Nalod wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Clean wrote:

Most likely played his last game in a net uni...

Creative way to get to Lakers?

City with the second largest jewish population? This should be interesting.

I cant think of another NBA team that would take him. Jeannie Buss might make a trade for Irving conditional on a public apology, and other acts of contrition. I wouldnt let him sell hot dogs in
the arena.

Some players bring drama, Kyrie's drama often has a stench to it.

Nalod @ 11/4/2022 4:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Clean wrote:

Most likely played his last game in a net uni...

Creative way to get to Lakers?

City with the second largest jewish population? This should be interesting.

I cant think of another NBA team that would take him. Jeannie Buss might make a trade for Irving conditional on a public apology, and other acts of contrition. I wouldnt let him sell hot dogs in
the arena.

Some players bring drama, Kyrie's drama often has a stench to it.

I don't feel sorry for him. If he holds his values strong and "knows who he is" then kudos to a man who can actualize his best self and live as he chooses.
He rambles in an "intellectual salad" of words to describe a self confident man despite his contradictions and deflections.
As long as he does not seek the spotlight to further a hateful rhetoric and wishes to pursue his ideals he should. Lets not forget he tweets. A man who wants to be left alone and sees the media as an intrusion to his privacy invites scrutiny by tweeting. Thus, one of his contradictions.
Clearly he has not made basketball his priority. That's fine, then retire and live in peace.
I don't see hate in his words. Just gullibility based on ignorance. He clearly is has a way to go.

GustavBahler @ 11/4/2022 5:13 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Clean wrote:

Most likely played his last game in a net uni...

Creative way to get to Lakers?

City with the second largest jewish population? This should be interesting.

I cant think of another NBA team that would take him. Jeannie Buss might make a trade for Irving conditional on a public apology, and other acts of contrition. I wouldnt let him sell hot dogs in
the arena.

Some players bring drama, Kyrie's drama often has a stench to it.

I don't feel sorry for him. If he holds his values strong and "knows who he is" then kudos to a man who can actualize his best self and live as he chooses.
He rambles in an "intellectual salad" of words to describe a self confident man despite his contradictions and deflections.
As long as he does not seek the spotlight to further a hateful rhetoric and wishes to pursue his ideals he should. Lets not forget he tweets. A man who wants to be left alone and sees the media as an intrusion to his privacy invites scrutiny by tweeting. Thus, one of his contradictions.
Clearly he has not made basketball his priority. That's fine, then retire and live in peace.
I don't see hate in his words. Just gullibility based on ignorance. He clearly is has a way to go.

I believe he enjoys being a contrarian. From his "world is flat" stage, to his pledge to stay in Boston, to his Covid stance. Irving seeks out stances designed to push buttons in a very public way. Always followed with complaints of being hounded by the media.

Kyrie has all the skills to be the best PG in the league except one, leadership. Why he cant get close to a ring at PG. Why LeBron had to lead. to get him a ring. Cant be a leader while constantly seeking out positions meant to divide and distract.

Clean @ 11/5/2022 2:44 AM

Kyrie's last hope might be the Lakers. If that ends up being the case hearing Lebron say this about what Kyrie has done can't be good for him.
Alpha1971 @ 11/5/2022 6:43 AM
Kyrie for Julius and then we waive Kyrie. Nets get a player back I don't care about the Nets enough to speculate what they do next. Then we start Obi and Grimes with RJ and Brunson. With our picks we draft a wings and bring over Rokas.
ESOMKnicks @ 11/5/2022 8:36 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Leonard used a slur, but he at least apologized. Kyrie used his platform to throw his weight behind a hate group and when given a chance to apologize, refused. Sorry that's worse. You realize the danger Kyrie's "truth" has the potential of causing an entire group of people? Anyhow no one is blocking Kyrie's right to free speech. They're just making him face up to consequences. I have to right to spew whatever crap in whoevers face at the local Starbucks. If I get clocked, should I be able to cry and complain?

The group whose film Kyrie promoted not only freely sells its book on Amazon, but could be seen on public access TV almost any week. At least it was the case 20 years ago. I found them too outlandish to be taken seriously. So, not exactly sure why all the fuss now all of a sudden when it is Kyrie involved? Given Kyrie's record of beliefs, is anyone still taking him seriously?

I also thought that in America you are not supposed to get clocked for spewing crap (unless it incites panic or violence). Is it not what the 1st Amendment is all about?


The Nets are a government entity now? Kyrie decided to spit on whatever moral clauses his employer established and he's getting spanked. Most of us would get fired.

I am pretty sure there is nothing in the CBA or Kyrie's employment contract that allows the league or the Nets to exert corporal punishment on him, such as clocking or spanking him. I understand that you are using these terms metaphorically, but I do not think your metaphor is a good one. You do not meet speech, however detestable, with physical violence, unless the speech itself incites panic or violence.

Kyrie is a mentally troubled individual whoring for attention at any cost. So, I suspect, are the members of the group whose film he promoted. The more outlandish their views and antics, the more attention they get. Unfortunately, it seems like they got exactly what they wanted out of this scandal.

martin @ 11/5/2022 9:46 AM
Wow

martin @ 11/5/2022 10:44 AM
Boo boy

martin @ 11/5/2022 10:49 AM
Kudos

GustavBahler @ 11/5/2022 10:55 AM
martin wrote:Wow

If things dont improve, my guess is that they'll move Green. Get the feeling "the punch" took the air out of their tires.

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