LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think the lottery is fixed, just not by the NBA. Not sure if the culprit is God or the Devil.
People think entire presidential elections are rigged now but a bs draft lottery that is never aired live on tv anymore being rigged by the nba - now that’s impossible
Nobody said either was impossible. But no proof either. People who think elections are rigged want to believe that.
Has it ever happend? Of course. Where? Don’t know. Do you?
Just because a lot people want to believe something does not validate it.
NBA wants to make money and eliminate tanking? I hate the lottery, but make a tournament for the top pick to run with the playoffs (best of 3 series or lose and leave style) or flip the script and the team with the best regular season record in the lotto gets the best chance at the #1 pick.
The way they have it now encourages losing. Never understood it.
What about this
But in your example - with Wemby coming out this year.
Couldn’t a very good team like say the Bucks - completely tank the 2022 season with the intention of posting a great win differential with a great 2023 record.
When there is a great player in draft - teams would find ways to tank regardless if it’s a year earlier.
They can do that already? Just straight take a year and tank.
LivingLegend wrote:Have to admit - Wemby to Spurs felt way to well placed. You have the Pop leaving if they don’t get #1, you have the Duncan/Robinson #1 overall history and the French history with Parker/Diaw…maybe missing someone else.I don’t know - try to tell myself this stuff isn’t fixed but this just felt too perfect.
It’s only labeled a fix cause it is shrouded within a lottery situation. When any other corporate entity makes a big decision like this (ie does the same thing relatively speaking), it is not a “fix”, it’s just a smart business decision, done every day a million times over.
The NBA is a business at its core to make money via providing entertainment. You get over the mental hurdle of considering the NBA as just a pure basketball venue (who happens to have a lottery every year) over more of an entertainment one that is $ driven, and it’s easier to envision, simple in fact.
Let’s state this again so it’s clear as day. The NBA is an entertainment business at its core whose vehicle is basketball (I think the classic MBA 101 example is that McDonalds is more of a real estate franchise and location business rather than a burger or fast food joint business, and that may be a good example of something whose core business is masked as something else). The NBA is not a pure basketball organization whose side hustle is to make money via TV contracts and etc. The NBA does need to “sell” the idea of lottery (and prob is real most of the time) but at its core, $ decisions will always prevail over the purity of a lottery or even straight basketball. Those decisions do have to be timely and work out, whatever that really means.
At the highest levels, the world moves on leverage. And you have to have enough of it and it has to be timely to get what you want. Using leverage with multiple completing interests is HARD to do, just look at any govt or corporation or even household decisions, every situation can get messy. Peter Holt gotta be a master at it and he and Stern prob know where all the bodies are buried.
Anyone think the NBA was going to allow Wemby - quite possibly THE most significant prospect in any and all sports - to land in a shithole organization like Charlotte and forgo the league wide benefits of having that player some place where he would thrive?
I’ll make it even more simple:
Nalod, you work in finance, right?
How many of your really high net worth clients would allow an extremely important decision for their main business to be made via a random lottery rather than the due diligence of the normal course of their everyday business process?
I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
martin wrote:I’ll make it even more simple: Nalod, you work in finance, right?
How many of your really high net worth clients would allow an extremely important decision for their main business to be made via a random lottery rather than the due diligence of the normal course of their everyday business process?
Due Dilligence and many well thought out decisions create opportunities. When they succeed we created higher frequency of success. Some see it as “Luck”.
To the point the NBA has not eliminated “Tanking” but has discouraged and reduced with by tweeking it.
Its not perfect. If someone like PhilC does not read the math and understand the odds then its “rigged”.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:I’ll make it even more simple: Nalod, you work in finance, right?
How many of your really high net worth clients would allow an extremely important decision for their main business to be made via a random lottery rather than the due diligence of the normal course of their everyday business process?
Due Dilligence and many well thought out decisions create opportunities. When they succeed we created higher frequency of success. Some see it as “Luck”.
To the point the NBA has not eliminated “Tanking” but has discouraged and reduced with by tweeking it.
Its not perfect. If someone like PhilC does not read the math and understand the odds then its “rigged”.
I’ll take that as a None.
Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clean wrote:Philc1 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think the lottery is fixed, just not by the NBA. Not sure if the culprit is God or the Devil.
People think entire presidential elections are rigged now but a bs draft lottery that is never aired live on tv anymore being rigged by the nba - now that’s impossible
Nobody said either was impossible. But no proof either. People who think elections are rigged want to believe that.
Has it ever happend? Of course. Where? Don’t know. Do you?
Just because a lot people want to believe something does not validate it.
NBA wants to make money and eliminate tanking? I hate the lottery, but make a tournament for the top pick to run with the playoffs (best of 3 series or lose and leave style) or flip the script and the team with the best regular season record in the lotto gets the best chance at the #1 pick.
The way they have it now encourages losing. Never understood it.
The nba draft lottery encourages losing and it hasn’t stopped tanking. It also gives fans of bad teams another loss that’s not even during the regular season because they have to watch the hornets or spurs get the top pick after they endured an entire season of dumpster fire
The NFL draft is the way to do it. Worst team gets the top pick. If the nfl had the draft lottery anytime the patriots, cowboys or Steelers miss the playoffs coincidentally they are getting the top pick and you better not question it
Tanking is a hard thing to solve but I rather genuinely bad teams get higher picks. The Grizz who had a really good team moved up and got Ja over legit bad teams. That is not good for the NBA. The Pistons are legit bad and moved back.
Ja probably gonna be available via trade in a year or two
BigDaddyG wrote:
Can we just hop into a Delorean and draft him instead of Knox?
Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clearly you don’t learn as you go along.
San Antonio is large city, but not a large market.
Everyone who said its rigged does not validate the outcome. There are flat earthers. Qnon followers, Trumpers, etc. They ignore facts to further their agenda or validate a belief.
Then bend the narrative to say “See, told you”.
Fact is SAS, like others had the same odds.
Remember when David Robinson got hurt and Celtics shamfully tanked for Duncan when Patino was coach and president?
Why did Spurs get? this was before the SAS run of greatness?
I’d think league would have wanted him in bigger market. Shaq to orlando. Hardaway to orlando, etc……
Where is the narrative?
Anthony Bennet to Cleveland with no. 1 pick?
There are plenty of years where the pick fizzled.
YOu get hindisight to connect the dots.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clearly you don’t learn as you go along.
San Antonio is large city, but not a large market.
Everyone who said its rigged does not validate the outcome. There are flat earthers. Qnon followers, Trumpers, etc. They ignore facts to further their agenda or validate a belief.
Then bend the narrative to say “See, told you”.
Fact is SAS, like others had the same odds.
Remember when David Robinson got hurt and Celtics shamfully tanked for Duncan when Patino was coach and president?
Why did Spurs get? this was before the SAS run of greatness?
I’d think league would have wanted him in bigger market. Shaq to orlando. Hardaway to orlando, etc……
Where is the narrative?
Anthony Bennet to Cleveland with no. 1 pick?
There are plenty of years where the pick fizzled.
YOu get hindisight to connect the dots.
Of the 14 teams in the lottery, which do you think was the best landing place for Wemby? And which do you think Wemby's team would have pushed for if they had enough leverage to have input?
Best for NBA, best for Wemby combo. Ownership, front office, coaching staff, developmental capacity, city, market.
San Antonio, Charlotte, Portland, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Washington, Utah, Dallas, Orlando, OKC, Toronto, New Orleans.
martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think the lottery is fixed, just not by the NBA. Not sure if the culprit is God or the Devil.
People think entire presidential elections are rigged now but a bs draft lottery that is never aired live on tv anymore being rigged by the nba - now that’s impossible
Nobody said either was impossible. But no proof either. People who think elections are rigged want to believe that.
Has it ever happend? Of course. Where? Don’t know. Do you?
Just because a lot people want to believe something does not validate it.
NBA wants to make money and eliminate tanking? I hate the lottery, but make a tournament for the top pick to run with the playoffs (best of 3 series or lose and leave style) or flip the script and the team with the best regular season record in the lotto gets the best chance at the #1 pick.
The way they have it now encourages losing. Never understood it.
What about this
But in your example - with Wemby coming out this year.
Couldn’t a very good team like say the Bucks - completely tank the 2022 season with the intention of posting a great win differential with a great 2023 record.
When there is a great player in draft - teams would find ways to tank regardless if it’s a year earlier.
They can do that already? Just straight take a year and tank.
Maybe I’m missing something but I was responding to the comment in this thread that says team with biggest win increase gets the #1 pick.
Isn’t that different from today where even if you tank for worst record you still have to win the lottery drawing.
Initial comment said - biggest increase gets 1st pick.
LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think the lottery is fixed, just not by the NBA. Not sure if the culprit is God or the Devil.
People think entire presidential elections are rigged now but a bs draft lottery that is never aired live on tv anymore being rigged by the nba - now that’s impossible
Nobody said either was impossible. But no proof either. People who think elections are rigged want to believe that.
Has it ever happend? Of course. Where? Don’t know. Do you?
Just because a lot people want to believe something does not validate it.
NBA wants to make money and eliminate tanking? I hate the lottery, but make a tournament for the top pick to run with the playoffs (best of 3 series or lose and leave style) or flip the script and the team with the best regular season record in the lotto gets the best chance at the #1 pick.
The way they have it now encourages losing. Never understood it.
What about this
But in your example - with Wemby coming out this year.
Couldn’t a very good team like say the Bucks - completely tank the 2022 season with the intention of posting a great win differential with a great 2023 record.
When there is a great player in draft - teams would find ways to tank regardless if it’s a year earlier.
They can do that already? Just straight take a year and tank.
Maybe I’m missing something but I was responding to the comment in this thread that says team with biggest win increase gets the #1 pick.
Isn’t that different from today where even if you tank for worst record you still have to win the lottery drawing.
Initial comment said - biggest increase gets 1st pick.
True.
But effectively the same thing? And with less ambiguity on which player is going to come out the next year and if you will actually increase the amount of wins you want?
Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clearly you don’t learn as you go along.
San Antonio is large city, but not a large market.
Everyone who said its rigged does not validate the outcome. There are flat earthers. Qnon followers, Trumpers, etc. They ignore facts to further their agenda or validate a belief.
Then bend the narrative to say “See, told you”.
Fact is SAS, like others had the same odds.
Remember when David Robinson got hurt and Celtics shamfully tanked for Duncan when Patino was coach and president?
Why did Spurs get? this was before the SAS run of greatness?
I’d think league would have wanted him in bigger market. Shaq to orlando. Hardaway to orlando, etc……
Where is the narrative?
Anthony Bennet to Cleveland with no. 1 pick?
There are plenty of years where the pick fizzled.
YOu get hindisight to connect the dots.
Of the 14 teams in the lottery, which do you think was the best landing place for Wemby? And which do you think Wemby's team would have pushed for if they had enough leverage to have input?
Best for NBA, best for Wemby combo. Ownership, front office, coaching staff, developmental capacity, city, market.
San Antonio, Charlotte, Portland, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Washington, Utah, Dallas, Orlando, OKC, Toronto, New Orleans.
Spurs or okc
I literally can't even find Oklahoma on the map of the United States, no fucking clue where it is.
Do you think a kid from just outside of Paris on the brink of world fame would want to live there?
martin wrote:Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clearly you don’t learn as you go along.
San Antonio is large city, but not a large market.
Everyone who said its rigged does not validate the outcome. There are flat earthers. Qnon followers, Trumpers, etc. They ignore facts to further their agenda or validate a belief.
Then bend the narrative to say “See, told you”.
Fact is SAS, like others had the same odds.
Remember when David Robinson got hurt and Celtics shamfully tanked for Duncan when Patino was coach and president?
Why did Spurs get? this was before the SAS run of greatness?
I’d think league would have wanted him in bigger market. Shaq to orlando. Hardaway to orlando, etc……
Where is the narrative?
Anthony Bennet to Cleveland with no. 1 pick?
There are plenty of years where the pick fizzled.
YOu get hindisight to connect the dots.
Of the 14 teams in the lottery, which do you think was the best landing place for Wemby? And which do you think Wemby's team would have pushed for if they had enough leverage to have input?
Best for NBA, best for Wemby combo. Ownership, front office, coaching staff, developmental capacity, city, market.
San Antonio, Charlotte, Portland, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Washington, Utah, Dallas, Orlando, OKC, Toronto, New Orleans.
Spurs or okc
I literally can't even find Oklahoma on the map of the United States, no fucking clue where it is.
Do you think a kid from just outside of Paris on the brink of world fame would want to live there?
He probably wouldn't care... Unless the other choice was the team where the national hero and possibly his country's greatest player called home. I'm sure the chance to follow in Boris Diaw's footsteps is appealing. 
If you wanna add another argument for the conspiracy theory, the Spurs are one of the most popular teams globally. They have had successful players from all over the world.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:I always said wemby would end up spurs
And stern is dead
I actually like Wemby going to the spurs. It’s good for the nba and sports in general. It’s a large market and an organization that clearly knows how to develop bigs plus he’s not in the East. That said pretty much everyone who acknowledges the fact that the draft lottery is rigged has been calling this for about a year now. Wemby was going to either the spurs or houston
Clearly you don’t learn as you go along.
San Antonio is large city, but not a large market.
Everyone who said its rigged does not validate the outcome. There are flat earthers. Qnon followers, Trumpers, etc. They ignore facts to further their agenda or validate a belief.
Then bend the narrative to say “See, told you”.
Fact is SAS, like others had the same odds.
Remember when David Robinson got hurt and Celtics shamfully tanked for Duncan when Patino was coach and president?
Why did Spurs get? this was before the SAS run of greatness?
I’d think league would have wanted him in bigger market. Shaq to orlando. Hardaway to orlando, etc……
Where is the narrative?
Anthony Bennet to Cleveland with no. 1 pick?
There are plenty of years where the pick fizzled.
YOu get hindisight to connect the dots.
Of the 14 teams in the lottery, which do you think was the best landing place for Wemby? And which do you think Wemby's team would have pushed for if they had enough leverage to have input?
Best for NBA, best for Wemby combo. Ownership, front office, coaching staff, developmental capacity, city, market.
San Antonio, Charlotte, Portland, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Washington, Utah, Dallas, Orlando, OKC, Toronto, New Orleans.
Spurs or okc
I literally can't even find Oklahoma on the map of the United States, no fucking clue where it is.
Do you think a kid from just outside of Paris on the brink of world fame would want to live there?
He probably wouldn't care... Unless the other choice was the team where the national hero and possibly his country's greatest player called home. I'm sure the chance to follow in Boris Diaw's footsteps is appealing.
It's a square state, that's about as close I could get you.
This hit me in the feels. He came here when no one else would. For that he gets respect.
