Knicks · I didn’t want the trade either but the bottom line (page 4)

There was little Doubt Dmitch would not be lighting it up as he has his career. Would our record be much better? Can’t say we’d be Cavs. Same old arguement:

1. What if RJ be lighting it up on Jazz? Regrets abound!
2. Brunson was here. We have that small back court and defense?
3. If team is .500. We calling for Leons head? After a month.
4. Be arguing about the melo trade another 5 years.
5. All those picks out the door!

Hindsight is brilliant. We are not.

Nalod wrote:
I should have bet the ranch on yeseterdays Nasdaq increase based on BigDaddyG’s high sight Laservision!

There was little Doubt Dmitch would not be lighting it up as he has his career. Would our record be much better? Can’t say we’d be Cavs. Same old arguement:

1. What if RJ be lighting it up on Jazz? Regrets abound!
2. Brunson was here. We have that small back court and defense?
3. If team is .500. We calling for Leons head? After a month.
4. Be arguing about the melo trade another 5 years.
5. All those picks out the door!

Hindsight is brilliant. We are not.

What are you talking about?
We should have traded for Murray, DM and not signed JB. Easy!!
Everyone knew that! Lmao.

No one is happy. Until tonight though. Then the Chip talk will be back and strong.

shinmen wrote:He's shooting 51% from the field when he never reached 45% for his career and he's shooting almost 45% from 3 when he's been a league average player in that department. He's red hot now but he'll probably come back on earth someday.
IQ is shooting what feels like 15% from the field right now but he's due for some hot shooting nights.

This.

Can you imagine if it were the Knicks? Everybody take your meds!

KnickDanger wrote:So Cavs have lost 5 in a row, Mitchell was a minus 17 in a 15 point loss to the Bucks last night. Is trade regret still in play?

Can you imagine if it were the Knicks? Everybody take your meds!

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:So Cavs have lost 5 in a row, Mitchell was a minus 17 in a 15 point loss to the Bucks last night. Is trade regret still in play?

Can you imagine if it were the Knicks? Everybody take your meds!

I love meds whatcha got

Prescribed or street?

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Right now I don’t think there are 5 better players than Mitchell this yesr

Agree! We really messed up. I knew Mitchell was good as far as his PPG last year. But, right now - looking at top scorers in the league- he is 3rd, behind Luka and Curry. And if you could pick from those three for your franchise- as great as Curry is, he is 34! And a ton of miles and minutes and his body - how much time does he have left at his current level of production? 3 years?

Mitchell is 26, still with upside and great production baring injury for what, 8 years at least if he keeps himself in good shape, to Curry's current age.

I was wrong to be against the trade.

Mitchell, you, me and 2 other UKers would be a competitive NBA team!

We saw JB perform well with Luka. JB and Mitchell would have been an amazingly dynamic back court that would have score more points that they give up. The outside shooting, the drives into the lane would make it easy for the remaining players - if we kept Randle- that could have been a fantastic, poor mans big three.

Nothing personal so please don't take it that way but the Knicks are not the ones who messed up. It has been reported in various outlets Ainge was not trading Mitchell to the Knicks, which is why he kept moving the goalposts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=danny+ai...

Everytime I hear someone say the Knicks messed up not getting Mitchell, I wonder of they followed the story after he was traded and all this stuff about Ainge started coming out. It's a great narrative to push the "same old Knicks" agenda, but it seems to be highly inaccurate.

KnickDanger wrote:So Cavs have lost 5 in a row, Mitchell was a minus 17 in a 15 point loss to the Bucks last night. Is trade regret still in play?

Can you imagine if it were the Knicks? Everybody take your meds!

Doesn’t matter. Anytime Mitchell gets a double double people are going to cry we didn’t give Ainge a package that would have made the package we gave for Carmelo look like chopped liver

Philc1 wrote:Knicks should be 2-0 facing Mitchell and the cavs if the refs allowed us to actually play basketball in the 4th qtr of the first game. I know everyone is hyping up the cavs right now but they look undersized and don’t rebound particularly well. What happens when you trade assets galore for one player

Boom! Good point. Allen is hurt and they don't have the depth we have...........
Mobley is not the star yet.

Reality is Cavs need a year or two. Two years to come together and gel.
Imagine knick fans having to do this.
Can't, we more damaged. They had Lebron not once, but twice and have a rink in the last decade.
And they have Rubio! When ever there is hope, there is Rubio!

Basically knick fans lost faith and only can get it from bonafide people that have achieved it.
We want Snyder? He like a Thib kind of guy. Good coach, not reached the mountain himself.
If we rid of Randle and RJ at least we are not aggravated. Why do I say that? Nobody has a bonafide scenario were we actually improve.

Why Johnny Bryant? He comes from UTAH were they developed players. Remember when that was the cool thing and we loved him?
Young up and coming coach? We need a coach who is past or one for the future?

Someone wanted Pop? He is kind of old and kind of losing well enough in his own rebuilding hell. Seems he is a SAS for life. I know he has that winning DNA. But it won't translate here just because he comes.

We can rant and hissy fit all day but removing the players won't create winning alone.
Im not going to cry if Thibs is removed, but Im not going to celebrate either. I celebrate victory. when the new guy comes in I'll cheer and support the team. As I do now.
Im a knick fan. I root for my guys to achieve.
Same for RilesJVGChaneyLennyHerbLarryHerbIsiahWoodsonFishRambisFizMillerThibs
14 coaches in 20 years.
Season and a quarter from Thibs COY and y'all want him gone.
Is this for real or a media/blog fabrication to fuel the readers click.
Knicks are part of a publicly traded company. He can get stock options, but salary but can't give him chunk of the company. Riles got some, but thats not done anymore. Tim Connelly got a 5 year 40 mil contract with a "kicker" for some ownership stake. not disclosed what that is or how he gets it. Maybe a predetermined price he can buy into? Has to stay and reach incentives?
No, Nalod does not have a better idea on how to improve the team NOW. Im not pretending to either with half baked ones.

And look at the Cavs roster. The chances of us being able to build a team that good after trading away most of our assets would have been slim to none. And you can forget about ever building a roster as good as some of Spida's Utah teams.

So passing on Spida was the right move. There will be other stars available. Hopefully the opposing GM isn't an unreasonable thief.

SergioNYK wrote:I still have no regrets about not trading for Spida and likely never will. There is just no way I would ever feel comfortable trading unprotected picks 5 years from now! You only do that for franchise level players who can elevate your team by themselves. Spida is a good player but he is not at that level.

And look at the Cavs roster. The chances of us being able to build a team that good after trading away most of our assets would have been slim to none. And you can forget about ever building a roster as good as some of Spida's Utah teams.

So passing on Spida was the right move. There will be other stars available. Hopefully the opposing GM isn't an unreasonable thief.

Good point. Mobley is still so very young and will be 2 years until he gets that "KG" thing going. Allen is a good player in his prime and Garland break out last year was super.
On paper good but lost a lot of depth and the picks to fill it. Should still be good to go. Allen is an allstar, Garland, DM as well. Mobley is the xfactor with the highest ceiling.
What do we have? Randle I think is adaptable if need be but thats opinion. RJ? I suppose this season most are down on him and im sounding like a redundant calm homer, but the point is DM type trade would have been premature.

Is Thibs on the hot seat or is this media conjecture? Then fans start to bite and its a whole thing.
Where is it coming from? Dolan? Doubt it. Leon/WW WES? Whats the GM think? you know, That Perry Guy?
What was their expectation? How was Dolan told what to expect? What is the plan to work these assets we storing up?

Nalod wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I still have no regrets about not trading for Spida and likely never will. There is just no way I would ever feel comfortable trading unprotected picks 5 years from now! You only do that for franchise level players who can elevate your team by themselves. Spida is a good player but he is not at that level.

And look at the Cavs roster. The chances of us being able to build a team that good after trading away most of our assets would have been slim to none. And you can forget about ever building a roster as good as some of Spida's Utah teams.

So passing on Spida was the right move. There will be other stars available. Hopefully the opposing GM isn't an unreasonable thief.

Good point. Mobley is still so very young and will be 2 years until he gets that "KG" thing going. Allen is a good player in his prime and Garland break out last year was super.
On paper good but lost a lot of depth and the picks to fill it. Should still be good to go. Allen is an allstar, Garland, DM as well. Mobley is the xfactor with the highest ceiling.
What do we have? Randle I think is adaptable if need be but thats opinion. RJ? I suppose this season most are down on him and im sounding like a redundant calm homer, but the point is DM type trade would have been premature.

Is Thibs on the hot seat or is this media conjecture? Then fans start to bite and its a whole thing.
Where is it coming from? Dolan? Doubt it. Leon/WW WES? Whats the GM think? you know, That Perry Guy?
What was their expectation? How was Dolan told what to expect? What is the plan to work these assets we storing up?

By the same metric, all but like 10 coaches in the league are on the hot seat. It's so pointless

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I still have no regrets about not trading for Spida and likely never will. There is just no way I would ever feel comfortable trading unprotected picks 5 years from now! You only do that for franchise level players who can elevate your team by themselves. Spida is a good player but he is not at that level.

And look at the Cavs roster. The chances of us being able to build a team that good after trading away most of our assets would have been slim to none. And you can forget about ever building a roster as good as some of Spida's Utah teams.

So passing on Spida was the right move. There will be other stars available. Hopefully the opposing GM isn't an unreasonable thief.

Good point. Mobley is still so very young and will be 2 years until he gets that "KG" thing going. Allen is a good player in his prime and Garland break out last year was super.
On paper good but lost a lot of depth and the picks to fill it. Should still be good to go. Allen is an allstar, Garland, DM as well. Mobley is the xfactor with the highest ceiling.
What do we have? Randle I think is adaptable if need be but thats opinion. RJ? I suppose this season most are down on him and im sounding like a redundant calm homer, but the point is DM type trade would have been premature.

Is Thibs on the hot seat or is this media conjecture? Then fans start to bite and its a whole thing.
Where is it coming from? Dolan? Doubt it. Leon/WW WES? Whats the GM think? you know, That Perry Guy?
What was their expectation? How was Dolan told what to expect? What is the plan to work these assets we storing up?

By the same metric, all but like 10 coaches in the league are on the hot seat. It's so pointless

Great point. Just look at all the losing teams and I'm sure there are several coaches on the hot seat. But losing in a small market vs losing to just being average in a major market like NYC is a different beast.

Also, wasn't the Cavs missing their starting center? I didn't think this was their entire team.

I think trading for Spida was still necessary. Just not for the enormous package they ask for. But at the same time, it would have solved a lot of current issues. like the guard positions would not be as over crowded. And Thibs would've had his patent 9-man rotation, with no complaints. But I don't think the knicks fan base or knicks media is ready for a lop sided trade, and not making or not coming out of the first round. That would've been the knicks if spida was here. We not patient enough to add him now and build around spida tomorrow. NYC fans want the W's now, which forces current and future GMs to runa hybrid win now and develop on the fly system.

Nalod wrote:Did somebody today mention they wanted "Luke Walton" as a coach over Thibs?
C'mon now, that dude flamed out twice.
Really want the regret, look at what a great job Mike Brown is doing in SAC.
Vogel is a chip caliber coach. yep, he really is.
Has to be some Orlando connection to Perry! LOL.

Walton is not happening

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Shortly after the Timberwolves were eliminated from the playoffs, at the conclusion of the aforementioned first-round series with Memphis, the new ownership group made their first big chess move: coaxing GM Tim Connelly away from his longtime post with the Denver Nuggets. The hiring marked the beginning of what would be an aggressive off-season for the team. They were perhaps a little high on their own supply of good vibes: the whiff of success they’d gotten mixed with the excitement of new ownership propelling them into a summer of decision-making that seemed to be predicated on both a “win-now” mentality and a faith that ascending superstar Edwards was ready to be the number one offensive option.

What happened next was the result, it seems in hindsight, of an error in judgment, compounded by several other errors alongside it. To break them down one by one: the first blunder appears to be the assumption that Edwards’ electrifying postseason debut occurred in spite of, and not in part because of, his supporting cast– several key members of which were shipped off to Utah in the eventual trade for Rudy Gobert, including Patrick Beverley, who literally cried tears of joy when they qualified for the playoffs. The second, that Edwards was ready to be The Guy – 28 games of evidence thus far seems to imply that maybe the 21-year-old could have used another year of development. The third, the hubris that one year of overachieving was so promising that it warranted a bold “upgrade” (in quotations in light of the results thus far) to the roster. The final, and indeed most devastating mistake, brings us back to the insanity component: the hefty wager that swapping out several key role players for a big-name superstar was bound to make the team better, despite questions about fit, and, as we already established, years of evidence to the contrary.

That swap for a superstar came with a historic price tag: to acquire Gobert, the Wolves parted with four first-round picks (three of which are unprotected), a pick swap, the promising young talent Jarred Vanderbilt, Beverley, Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmero, and their 2022 draft pick in Walker Kessler. That’s quite a mortgage for a player who, yes, was named Defensive Player of the Year three times with as many All-Star selections, but who, in eight years in the league, has never made it even as far as the conference finals, and who has come under fire for his lackluster playoff performances (even on the defensive end on which he’s made his name in the regular season).

The early returns on the gamble have not been great. Pre-season hype about the newly minted attempt at a superteam prompted chatter around the league of a surefire playoffs spot, and maybe even a chance at a finish near the top of the Western Conference. But after Wednesday’s loss to the LA Clippers, the Timberwolves are two games below .500 with a 13-15 record, and the natives (fans) are growing restless. The team has looked disjointed, often lackadaisical, and downright devoid of the galvanic chemistry that propelled them in their Cinderella story last year.