If RJ Barrett turns out to nothing (he won’t and I think he’ll turn it around sooner than later) I would still think not going with the trade is a good thing. DM, JR and JB will never go far in the playoffs and that’s who we would be stuck with.
We still have wiggle room. We have many options. Wait for something that can actually make us contenders. Simply being better than the past 20 years isn’t enough.
BRIGGS wrote:We missed a star player in Mitchell. Probably won’t get same opportunity. No blame here but we bluntly missed
We still have the same assets and star players always become available eventually. Spida is not the end all and he wouldn't have moved the needle enough to justify the price. We'd be 3-3 right now with him tbh and wouldn't have our own picks 3-5 years from now. At best we'd be the Melo Knicks.
Leon and co. will have 2-3 more opportunities before the trade deadline/draft to get that star imo.
The funny thing is Ainge messed up his tank by screwing us over. The 6 - 1 Cavs are talented and young. They will be contenders for years and those Cavs picks will be trash. The Knicks have been bad for 20 years. Our picks were guaranteed to be in the lottery even after the trade. Lauri looks like he finally figured things out. His emergence have made the Jazz too good and now the will probably be out of the running for generational talent. You gotta love Karma.
Clean wrote:The funny thing is Ainge messed up his tank by screwing us over. The 6 - 1 Cavs are talented and young. They will be contenders for years and those Cavs picks will be trash. The Knicks have been bad for 20 years. Our picks were guaranteed to be in the lottery even after the trade. Lauri looks like he finally figured things out. His emergence have made the Jazz too good and now the will probably be out of the running for generational talent. You gotta love Karma.
Yeah, but Karma doesn't love us! Tried to woe her with money, patience, understanding... still don't give a phuck.
BigDaddyG wrote:Clean wrote:The funny thing is Ainge messed up his tank by screwing us over. The 6 - 1 Cavs are talented and young. They will be contenders for years and those Cavs picks will be trash. The Knicks have been bad for 20 years. Our picks were guaranteed to be in the lottery even after the trade. Lauri looks like he finally figured things out. His emergence have made the Jazz too good and now the will probably be out of the running for generational talent. You gotta love Karma.
Yeah, but Karma doesn't love us! Tried to woe her with money, patience, understanding... still don't give a phuck.
Misery love company. We both got F'd in the end but watching Ainge get F'd makes me forget I am also getting F'd.
martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
The time to fire him was last year. I got into countless arguments on these forums for stating that fact. All the good young coaches get signed and we still which this guy with schemes from the 90s that don't work anymore. Our record is not too bad yet but this game reminded us of many losses last year. That is why the fire Thibs stuff is starting up already.
Clean wrote:wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
The time to fire him was last year. I got into countless arguments on these forums for stating that fact. All the good young coaches get signed and we still which this guy with schemes from the 90s that don't work anymore. Our record is not too bad yet but this game reminded us of many losses last year. That is why the fire Thibs stuff is starting up already.
Exactly. He limped to a better record and dragged the knicks to a worst draft pick but he was horrendous for stretches of games last year. I always assumed he came into this season a little on the hot seat and we are now watching him unravel.... Again.
Early prediction but he could be gone in the next four games depending on what the knicks record is.
wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
Literally why? What is your barometer for firing a coach after 3-4? Literally who does this? Half the best teams in the league should be up for that by your process and it's entirely insane.
I mean, it's a nice over emotional reaction to a loss, but that seems about it.
martin wrote:wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
Literally why? What is your barometer for firing a coach after 3-4? Literally who does this? Half the best teams in the league should be up for that by your process and it's entirely insane.
I mean, it's a nice over emotional reaction to a loss, but that seems about it.
Because fans are delusional and think a coaching change will turn this all around. Whoever gets hired next, would get fired in a few years as well. I posted this same comment in 2010, in 2014, in 2018. Thanks for running the site through all these years BTW.
martin wrote:wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
Literally why? What is your barometer for firing a coach after 3-4? Literally who does this? Half the best teams in the league should be up for that by your process and it's entirely insane.
I mean, it's a nice over emotional reaction to a loss, but that seems about it.
We should make this it’s own thread, firing Thibs.
I think I am there too. Just awful defense last night. And from many of the players that have been here the entire time with Thibs. So either they are awful defenders, which they are, or Thibs is not getting through with a plan that works for us. And it is this latter point I think that justifies, in mind, giving him the heave ho.
To put this in perspective: Thibs is going to be the 5th highest in Knicks wins pretty soon (or something like that, maybe it is 4th). All time. In only 3 years. He has been the best Knicks coach since MDA a decade ago and then JVG a decade before that. Over the past 20 years he is one of the better coaches the Knicks have had. Already got 1 coach of the year and it's only been just over 2 years for him.
But let's fire him.
Clean wrote:wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
The time to fire him was last year. I got into countless arguments on these forums for stating that fact. All the good young coaches get signed and we still which this guy with schemes from the 90s that don't work anymore. Our record is not too bad yet but this game reminded us of many losses last year. That is why the fire Thibs stuff is starting up already.
Knicks have had 7 different head coaches in the past 10 seasons. Pulling the trigger on new HC's does not seem to be problematic for the various and different Knicks front office execs......however, how has firing the head coach an average of every 1.5 seasons worked out?
Maybe we just bring in a new HC every week or just go with Kyrie's strategy when he said last season that the Nets did not need a HC.
Clean wrote:wargames wrote:martin wrote:Here is the bottom line: Knicks are one of the best teams in the league in terms of picks and young players and being in the position to trade for a star. We need not be so desperate as to thrown down the whole wad of cash for the first stripper that comes on stage and can be particular about seeing the whole night's lineup before ordering up some champagne.Also: The Knicks signed the best UFA whose team toasted Mitchell and his team in the playoffs last year.
True.... But something is off with this team. I think it's time to fire the coach.
The time to fire him was last year. I got into countless arguments on these forums for stating that fact. All the good young coaches get signed and we still which this guy with schemes from the 90s that don't work anymore. Our record is not too bad yet but this game reminded us of many losses last year. That is why the fire Thibs stuff is starting up already.
Problem was that we were still in the game when those "players doing well" came back in the game and also did not play well.
Frustrating loss but bad all around second half. NO ONE played well on either end. Which is what has to happen in order to blow such a big lead and end up losing by such a big margin.
Right now I don’t think there are 5 better players than Mitchell this yesr
He's shooting 51% from the field when he never reached 45% for his career and he's shooting almost 45% from 3 when he's been a league average player in that department. He's red hot now but he'll probably come back on earth someday.
IQ is shooting what feels like 15% from the field right now but he's due for some hot shooting nights.
martin wrote:To put this in perspective: Thibs is going to be the 5th highest in Knicks wins pretty soon (or something like that, maybe it is 4th). All time. In only 3 years. He has been the best Knicks coach since MDA a decade ago and then JVG a decade before that. Over the past 20 years he is one of the better coaches the Knicks have had. Already got 1 coach of the year and it's only been just over 2 years for him.But let's fire him.
Yes
It’s absolutely insane how many fans still believe in thibs. But we fire Woodson without even thinking about and he’s a top 5 coach in KNICKS HISTORY. I’m not sure if thibs makes the top 15 list.
It’s mismatch of players that don’t fit thibs style. He’s also out of sync with the FO. We’ve been saying let him go since last year. Then I said ok let’s see how we look this year. And so far we not 11 games in and we already have 3 of our worst losses this year. And Thibs was coach for 3 or the8 worse blown leads in nba knick history.
Thibs is top 5 alright, but top 5 on some of the worse list to be on. But he’s definitely not a top 10 Knicks coach. Why the love afair for one coach but at the time the two top 5 coaches in Knicks history do not get the same love. Woodson and Dantoni.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication...
Some article subjectively written in 2014. So lets calm down. The list left off Al bianchi, Stu Jackson, John Mcloud and larry Brown. WE had some stinkers. Actually we have had some good men, even Larry who was a great coach but was awful here.
Woodson vs Thibs. Woodson was not coach of the year but he got the team to second round. I’d put that seaosn on par with Thibs first season here. Both were fun but did not go anywhere. Thibs team was very unexpected. Woodsons team had 5 allstars/HOF guys that were to retire that seasons end.
MDA might have been a top 5 Knick coach but he did nothing here.
Why do fans believe in Thibs? cuz most of us don’t think he is the reason for this team expected .500.
Woodson was not fired for his 39 win season. His contract was not renewed because the new president of the team wanted to run a new system and bring in his guy to run it. That would have been Steve Kerr. At the moment he hired Fish, while untested he was coming off a great career and had the “it” leadership factor.
BRIGGS wrote:Right now I don’t think there are 5 better players than Mitchell this yesr
Agree! We really messed up. I knew Mitchell was good as far as his PPG last year. But, right now - looking at top scorers in the league- he is 3rd, behind Luka and Curry. And if you could pick from those three for your franchise- as great as Curry is, he is 34! And a ton of miles and minutes and his body - how much time does he have left at his current level of production? 3 years?
Mitchell is 26, still with upside and great production baring injury for what, 8 years at least if he keeps himself in good shape, to Curry's current age.
I was wrong to be against the trade.
Mitchell, you, me and 2 other UKers would be a competitive NBA team!
We saw JB perform well with Luka. JB and Mitchell would have been an amazingly dynamic back court that would have score more points that they give up. The outside shooting, the drives into the lane would make it easy for the remaining players - if we kept Randle- that could have been a fantastic, poor mans big three.
We should've traded up for Bennedict Mathurin! I have 20/20 hindsight laser vision. We should've alsotraded a first-rounder for Lauri Markonnen.
I should have bet the ranch on yeseterdays Nasdaq increase based on BigDaddyG’s high sight Laservision!
There was little Doubt Dmitch would not be lighting it up as he has his career. Would our record be much better? Can’t say we’d be Cavs. Same old arguement:
1. What if RJ be lighting it up on Jazz? Regrets abound!
2. Brunson was here. We have that small back court and defense?
3. If team is .500. We calling for Leons head? After a month.
4. Be arguing about the melo trade another 5 years.
5. All those picks out the door!
Hindsight is brilliant. We are not.
