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BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

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joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

I am glad you have an opinion but I am over this argument. It's not up for debate. Until we got hit with the injury bug 4 of the top 5 minutes played were Knicks and KAT was 11 even after having missed games because of injury. We going to have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.

I kind of took it that Mikal was in part advocating for the bench to get more minutes based on good play.
Thibs did come back and explain himself that Kat and Brunson are one set of time. Josh and Mikal get more because they guard against "primary players" and sort of match their minutes.
Maybe Mikal (and Josh) at his age is starting to feel a fatigue? Our bench is not deep with wing players of quality.

Funny thing is seeing TJ Warren few weeks back in Greensboro he looks a lot like Alec Burks. While listed at 6-8 he is a bit slight but not quick. Perhaps hits his defense that is keeping him down in the Gleague. Not like any other team came for him either. His stats on offense are impressive. Its perhaps the physicality?

Good win last night in Portland! We need to keep pace so we can perhaps experiment the rest of the way keeping our seeding and giving guys some rest and opportunity to play. Fact is if the bench does not produce we won't go far in the playoffs. If we break down because they don't produce we perhaps go a bit further anyway?? Plenty of time to rest in the off season!

When Mikal, Josh, and OG sit, Knicks have Shamet and Precious as their replacements to play the wing spots. With Deuce and Cam at the PG/SG spots.

Shamet is undersized but starting to come into his own at the 3. Precious is not a wing and it shows.

When KAT sits, Knicks have Mitch, Precious, Huk at the 5.

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Im glad Bridges and Thibs hashed things out. Im glad this topic was raised by a starter. Cant be brushed aside as a fan, or media issue anymore.

When most of your starters are leading the league in minutes, you're doing something that most championship coaches wouldnt think of doing. Not during the regular season anyway.

Thibs hasnt been to a conference final since 2011. Thats a long time to be going down this road without any real postseason success.

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

I am glad you have an opinion but I am over this argument. It's not up for debate. Until we got hit with the injury bug 4 of the top 5 minutes played were Knicks and KAT was 11 even after having missed games because of injury. We going to have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.

I'll agree to disagree but this is not an opinion. This is a fact from the mouth of 2 players who have been playing under him for years (I think these were from last year). So you are believing Bridges and believing Brunson and Hart are liars. I am keeping in mind that at the time of their respective comments Brunson has his extension coming up (just like Bridges) and I think Hart just signed his.

Again I'll agree to disagree but I want to make sure facts are not going to be miscategorized as opinion

And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.

“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5361403...

Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.

"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."

An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."

The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason

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joec32033 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

I am glad you have an opinion but I am over this argument. It's not up for debate. Until we got hit with the injury bug 4 of the top 5 minutes played were Knicks and KAT was 11 even after having missed games because of injury. We going to have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.

I'll agree to disagree but this is not an opinion. This is a fact from the mouth of 2 players who have been playing under him for years (I think these were from last year). So you are believing Bridges and believing Brunson and Hart are liars. I am keeping in mind that at the time of their respective comments Brunson has his extension coming up (just like Bridges) and I think Hart just signed his.

Again I'll agree to disagree but I want to make sure facts are not going to be miscategorized as opinion

And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.

“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5361403...

Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.

"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."

An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."

The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nb...

Why is Taylor so gorgeous? It’s not just me, right? She’s ridiculously gorgeous, and I don’t know why.

ToddTT wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

I am glad you have an opinion but I am over this argument. It's not up for debate. Until we got hit with the injury bug 4 of the top 5 minutes played were Knicks and KAT was 11 even after having missed games because of injury. We going to have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.

I'll agree to disagree but this is not an opinion. This is a fact from the mouth of 2 players who have been playing under him for years (I think these were from last year). So you are believing Bridges and believing Brunson and Hart are liars. I am keeping in mind that at the time of their respective comments Brunson has his extension coming up (just like Bridges) and I think Hart just signed his.

Again I'll agree to disagree but I want to make sure facts are not going to be miscategorized as opinion

And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.

“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5361403...

Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.

"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."

An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."

The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nb...

Why is Taylor so gorgeous? It’s not just me, right? She’s ridiculously gorgeous, and I don’t know why.

Perhaps, and I’m just thinking out loud here for no particular reason at all, we could study this question a lot more and really dive into the essence of it all. Perhaps we can share visual insights to help a brother out, get us up to speed on figuring out if it’s just you or maybe there are more like minded folks who would want to more deeply investigate and simmer on Taylor and her gorgeousness.

We’ll eagerly await, like thirsty newbie pledges on the first coed mixer night of the year.

martin wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Clean wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I am going to preface my post with this. Bridges was the ONLY trade I wanted made for this year, I figured with the chemistry and fit it was really the only move worth messing with the team.

That being said, was it really necessary to go to the media? And now there is an article on the front page of Thibs denying a conversation happened? Never a fan of involving people who don't need to be involved in team or family matters.

Also, was this REALLY the best time to bring this up? They just lost Brunson for a while so the bench was going to get used anyway. So far Brunson, Hart, and KAT have said the minutes thing is over blown.

I've been all about giving Mikal chances. Never bought into the he sucks stuff. But this here starts to change my mind on his fit. I've held the opinion that sometimes dude acts a little too goofy on the court that doesn't measure up to his level of play.

I won't quote you all but I don't think one player justifies any real opinion in Thibs.

Sorry, Mikal can do no wrong tonight.

I didn't watch the game (work) but I don't know how they won. All the starters played over 38 minutes with 42 for Hart and 40 for Bridges. I thought they were supposed to lose playing that many minutes.

Once again, its never been about a single game. It's always build up over time. If a dude who has never missed a game is telling you to chill on the minutes maybe you should listen.

Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?

From about 4:15-

I am glad you have an opinion but I am over this argument. It's not up for debate. Until we got hit with the injury bug 4 of the top 5 minutes played were Knicks and KAT was 11 even after having missed games because of injury. We going to have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.

I'll agree to disagree but this is not an opinion. This is a fact from the mouth of 2 players who have been playing under him for years (I think these were from last year). So you are believing Bridges and believing Brunson and Hart are liars. I am keeping in mind that at the time of their respective comments Brunson has his extension coming up (just like Bridges) and I think Hart just signed his.

Again I'll agree to disagree but I want to make sure facts are not going to be miscategorized as opinion

And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.

“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5361403...

Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.

"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."

An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."

The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nb...

Why is Taylor so gorgeous? It’s not just me, right? She’s ridiculously gorgeous, and I don’t know why.

Perhaps, and I’m just thinking out loud here for no particular reason at all, we could study this question a lot more and really dive into the essence of it all. Perhaps we can share visual insights to help a brother out, get us up to speed on figuring out if it’s just you or maybe there are more like minded folks who would want to more deeply investigate and simmer on Taylor and her gorgeousness.

We’ll eagerly await, like thirsty newbie pledges on the first coed mixer night of the year.

Todd asking the hard questions and Martin looking to help a brotha' out by collecting the hard evidence. This is just a beautiful display of brotherhood, and hell, family.

I can take a few minutes off from my midget porn search to help out.

BigDaddyG wrote:I can take a few minutes off from my midget porn search to help out.

A man with class!!!

Hell yeah, man! Let’s science this sh**!

It feels like something is going on behind the scenes. You have Mikal calling Thibs out, Thibs contradicting him, and meanwhile the front office felt it was necessary to bring PJ Tucker here not to play but to keep things in line on the bench/ in the locker room. It has seemed like the guys have been unhappy at times since the all star break. I still think of that game where Alan Hahn interviewed Mikal Bridges in the post game interview and he seemed completely checked out.

martin wrote:When Mikal, Josh, and OG sit, Knicks have Shamet and Precious as their replacements to play the wing spots. With Deuce and Cam at the PG/SG spots.

Shamet is undersized but starting to come into his own at the 3. Precious is not a wing and it shows.

When KAT sits, Knicks have Mitch, Precious, Huk at the 5.

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but what Thibs is saying doesn't make really make sense. I mean, look at the box score and our wings play more minutes than the Celtics players he is mentioning. And that doesn't even factor in the fact we've gotten blown in most of the games, so why keep them out there.

Now- if Thibs doesn't want to say either the bench is full of scrubs he doesn't trust or they aren't good and he wants the best guys out there- ok - that is an explanation I will accept. It's not right, and I'd rather lose games and be fresh for the playoffs than drive guys into the ground - but its a fair thing for a coach to do.

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:It feels like something is going on behind the scenes. You have Mikal calling Thibs out, Thibs contradicting him, and meanwhile the front office felt it was necessary to bring PJ Tucker here not to play but to keep things in line on the bench/ in the locker room. It has seemed like the guys have been unhappy at times since the all star break. I still think of that game where Alan Hahn interviewed Mikal Bridges in the post game interview and he seemed completely checked out.

This is everytime he's interviewed. I've been saying, he's a flight risk when contract is up. 5 1sts may just walk out the door.

franco12 wrote:but what Thibs is saying doesn't make really make sense. I mean, look at the box score and our wings play more minutes than the Celtics players he is mentioning. And that doesn't even factor in the fact we've gotten blown in most of the games, so why keep them out there.

Now- if Thibs doesn't want to say either the bench is full of scrubs he doesn't trust or they aren't good and he wants the best guys out there- ok - that is an explanation I will accept. It's not right, and I'd rather lose games and be fresh for the playoffs than drive guys into the ground - but its a fair thing for a coach to do.

exactly, you can easily go to the box scores and discredit this.

jaydh wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:It feels like something is going on behind the scenes. You have Mikal calling Thibs out, Thibs contradicting him, and meanwhile the front office felt it was necessary to bring PJ Tucker here not to play but to keep things in line on the bench/ in the locker room. It has seemed like the guys have been unhappy at times since the all star break. I still think of that game where Alan Hahn interviewed Mikal Bridges in the post game interview and he seemed completely checked out.

This is everytime he's interviewed. I've been saying, he's a flight risk when contract is up. 5 1sts may just walk out the door.

You trade him or give him a longterm (team friendly) deuce type of contract (which is a low ball contract for his impact). Great ROI is an understatement. But Mikal has value in a certain role so I don’t see it as 5 picks walking out the door (that would make this move look even worse. Not Leon’s style).

Mikal will have to learn what else can he do on offense and continue to perfect that mid range fadeaway. I know he needs to drive and get to the line more. At the same time, if he improves that already unstoppable fadeaway middy, plus he’s a 2 way defender so his impact will not always be obvious. I say do both. Lock him down and then trade him if necessary.

But during that particular interview that I remember, Mikal was looking and sounding like he was on something, completely out of it, whatever u call it. That wasn’t normal to me but also I havent watched him talk much after games. On the podcast, he was talking and looking more normal. So my guess he was in a funk basketball wise during that time. Cause even after he hit that 3 he’s still a little weird, but not like before. I think his corkiness blends well with JB and Harts corkiness. Keep them 3 on low contracts if possible and ride that synergy until the wheels fall off. Bring back divo. 🤣 And the coach. He should be on the staff or Thibs replacement. Not pushing the guy out, but he’s not working for ever.

jaydh wrote:

franco12 wrote:but what Thibs is saying doesn't make really make sense. I mean, look at the box score and our wings play more minutes than the Celtics players he is mentioning. And that doesn't even factor in the fact we've gotten blown in most of the games, so why keep them out there.

Now- if Thibs doesn't want to say either the bench is full of scrubs he doesn't trust or they aren't good and he wants the best guys out there- ok - that is an explanation I will accept. It's not right, and I'd rather lose games and be fresh for the playoffs than drive guys into the ground - but its a fair thing for a coach to do.

exactly, you can easily go to the box scores and discredit this.

Which wing guys are you guys playing off the bench in replacement of OG, Hart, Mikal?

Give or take, Knicks bench early in the season is Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, Sims, Huk. Sims, Huk are centers. Shamet was not available. Deuce was a little hurt. Precious missed 20 games.

You are down to Payne and GLeague bros and rookies. So, Dadiet, Toppin, Kolek. Those are the wing replacement options Thibs had for most of the season.

Who are you guys playing to win games? Deal in reality. It's really a no win situation for a coach and team unless you are completely AOK with losing games to get minutes for Dadiet who can't dominate a GLeague game and Toppin who is not an NBA player.

What you got?

Deuce and Shamet finally got their injury bugs kinda over and seems like minutes for the wings are starting to come down. Do not wonder why that is happening.

martin wrote:

jaydh wrote:

franco12 wrote:but what Thibs is saying doesn't make really make sense. I mean, look at the box score and our wings play more minutes than the Celtics players he is mentioning. And that doesn't even factor in the fact we've gotten blown in most of the games, so why keep them out there.

Now- if Thibs doesn't want to say either the bench is full of scrubs he doesn't trust or they aren't good and he wants the best guys out there- ok - that is an explanation I will accept. It's not right, and I'd rather lose games and be fresh for the playoffs than drive guys into the ground - but its a fair thing for a coach to do.

exactly, you can easily go to the box scores and discredit this.

Which wing guys are you guys playing off the bench in replacement of OG, Hart, Mikal?

Give or take, Knicks bench early in the season is Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, Sims, Huk. Sims, Huk are centers. Shamet was not available. Deuce was a little hurt. Precious missed 20 games.

You are down to Payne and GLeague bros and rookies. So, Dadiet, Toppin, Kolek. Those are the wing replacement options Thibs had for most of the season.

Who are you guys playing to win games? Deal in reality. It's really a no win situation for a coach and team unless you are completely AOK with losing games to get minutes for Dadiet who can't dominate a GLeague game and Toppin who is not an NBA player.

What you got?

Deuce and Shamet finally got their injury bugs kinda over and seems like minutes for the wings are starting to come down. Do not wonder why that is happening.

Down 40 against Boston, I’m, getting my scrubs out there, like Dadiet- what, is he afraid to lose by 60?

I totally get the reality that there were not better options. But I think some scrubs can hold their own for short stretches - I’m not saying go with a bunch of them all at once.