Lol at calling Spo overrated and just brushing off two Finals appearances since LeBron because he had a B level star in Jimmy Butler. Those finals runs were extremely impressive and they knocked out way more talented teams and punched way above their weight. Knicks haven’t been to the Finals in a quarter century. You can’t just brush off Finals runs like that.
ToddTT wrote:Where is everybody?
Knicks are 7-1 this year in games with 35+ assists
ramtour420 wrote:Knicks are 7-1 this year in games with 35+ assists
Out of curiosity were those games all in the first couple months of the season?
So in game 3 Towns was in drop coverage and left Tatum wide open. Is that Thibs going back to his favorite defense instead of switching defenses that worked? I would bet if that was Mitch, he’s not dropping he’s stepping up on Tatum.
I also said Thibs needed delon wright in these playoffs especially against Boston. Yet he rolls out sling shot Payne.
And whatever Thibs is doing to get these guys ready the last 3 games………….SCRAP IT………….it ain’t working.
ToddTT wrote:Where is everybody?
You’re right let’s bring back Fizdale and Rambus. Those days were fun.
DLeethal wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Knicks are 7-1 this year in games with 35+ assists
Out of curiosity were those games all in the first couple months of the season?
Nah, they are very evenly spread throughout the season, actually
Only thing I hope to see Thibs do next game is insist that JB start the game looking to get his teammates going. And finish strong. Whenever Brunson does this good things happen.
BigDaddyG wrote:ToddTT wrote:Where is everybody?
Edgar Alan Poe wanting to be called "Night Pain" was fing brilliant lol.
Put him on a poster and hang it on the wall?
Are we there yet? 1 more game?
So if Knicks beat the NBA Champs to get to ECF can we at least lock this thread till the offseason?
Panos wrote:So if Knicks beat the NBA Champs to get to ECF can we at least lock this thread till the offseason?
no way.. that's how you get complacent.
Thibs will coach us to a title and people will still want him gone for playing Josh or Mikal too much in some November game.
Hey... remember Doc Rivers WON A TITLE. It doesnt mean shit. All that's important is holding Thibs accountable and this thread might be the only thing out there
fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:So if Knicks beat the NBA Champs to get to ECF can we at least lock this thread till the offseason?
no way.. that's how you get complacent.Thibs will coach us to a title and people will still want him gone for playing Josh or Mikal too much in some November game.
Hey... remember Doc Rivers WON A TITLE. It doesnt mean shit. All that's important is holding Thibs accountable and this thread might be the only thing out there
This thread might be the best jinx we have. Keep that fire burning. We play better under pressure and that includes the coach.
A better question is where’s the fan who started this thread? Seems like he disappeared shortly after making this thread.
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:So if Knicks beat the NBA Champs to get to ECF can we at least lock this thread till the offseason?
no way.. that's how you get complacent.Thibs will coach us to a title and people will still want him gone for playing Josh or Mikal too much in some November game.
Hey... remember Doc Rivers WON A TITLE. It doesnt mean shit. All that's important is holding Thibs accountable and this thread might be the only thing out there
This thread might be the best jinx we have. Keep that fire burning. We play better under pressure and that includes the coach.
A better question is where’s the fan who started this thread? Seems like he disappeared shortly after making this thread.
Jumped off a cliff. Couldn't handle all the success the past few years.
fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:So if Knicks beat the NBA Champs to get to ECF can we at least lock this thread till the offseason?
no way.. that's how you get complacent.Thibs will coach us to a title and people will still want him gone for playing Josh or Mikal too much in some November game.
Hey... remember Doc Rivers WON A TITLE. It doesnt mean shit. All that's important is holding Thibs accountable and this thread might be the only thing out there
That's right. "Y'all might be satisfied with a trip to the Finals or a single Chip, but I'm here for the Three-peat dynasty, and nothing short of that is enough!!!"
Said after game 2 that I thought that Thibs had earned another season. But if Boston had run off 4 straight wins my resolve would have been tested lol. But I still believe that we witnessed a level of preparation, that gave NY the edge. Sometimes it looks like it’s there, sometimes it doesn’t.
As others have mentioned, maybe some new faces sitting next to Thibs couldn’t hurt. Coaches that Thibs respects.
Somewhere out there in the wilderness of Reddit or RealGM, there is a Fire Mazzulla thread where posters are asking why Joe just can't adjust?
martin wrote:Somewhere out there in the wilderness of Reddit or RealGM, there is a Fire Mazzulla thread where posters are asking why Joe just can't adjust?
yup... both Det and Boston are good teams and they made moves to beat us and Thibs made all the right calls.
Assuming we put Boston away (no gimmie) we got the Pacers and Carlisle and honestly that's another coaching matchup in our favor. They are a deeper team so interesting to see how the rotations play out and if that helps or hurts us
martin wrote:Somewhere out there in the wilderness of Reddit or RealGM, there is a Fire Mazzulla thread where posters are asking why Joe just can't adjust?
They saying, why didn't FO hire Thibs when he was available 5 years ago!
Panos wrote:VDesai wrote:Panos wrote:Clean wrote:I totally forgot I posted that Clip. I think you guys are conflating 2 things. He never said no one is playing well. He said they are not in their best position to be the best version of themselves. Lets take a look at each player for a second. Kat
KAT is best played in a lineup with a mobile defensive big on D and on offense is best when played in a 5 out system because that opens things up for everyone. Right now his defense sucks and we are not getting use out of him on offense like we expected because he is teamed with Hart and team just stick the center on him. His tendency is to drive to the hoop but that gets him in trouble because we are not 5 players out and the paint is always clogged. Kat is talented enough so he wil get numbers but he is not being put in the best position.
Hart
Having a career year but him being in as a starter mean the offense is clogged. He often gets put in lineups with Mitch and Precious. We almost always lose those minutes. Hart with the paint clogged goes periods where all he can do is shoot open 3's and hope he is making them that night. However, I think this problem is a Hart problem with the exception of the times Thibs plays him with 2 other non shooters. That is just pure idiotic.
OG and Bridges
OG and Bridges are kind of the same deal. They are finishers that are best when attacking a closeout or shooting after a playmaker set them up with an open shot. OG has added the rip through move and the euro step and that has increased his bag but if you notice he is still being setup with Brunson out. Bridges has become our playmaker in this new reality. Bridges is not the best playmaker but the best we have now that Brunson is out. Bridges and OG both go long periods without touching the ball because the later the game gets the more Bruncen centric out offense gets. It is why once Brunson is playing they take huge steps backwards. Both would do better in an offense with spacing and movement. In 2nd halfs they are stuck in ISO offense with clogged paint because of non shooters also on the court.
Brunson
Brunson is a great player and will play great in any situation but he would be best in a 5 out offense. We never play him in that because there is always a non shooter with him. We have no idea what his best is because we never seen it.
I am sure many won't agree and that's fine but its best we have a debate on what he actually said. I was going to do everyone but my interest went down fast LOL.
TLDR your main issue is that Hart is not a great shooter and thus it's not a 5 out offense. So all these other four players are not being put in position to be their best selves because of one player on the floor, who by the way, gets the most assists and gets all the rebounds that OG and Mikal should be getting?
Is that it?
I think the "smart" Knick fan narrative is that problems would be solved by swapping Deuce for Hart because of the shooting, and that Hart's minutes why we can't maximize the offense. There's A LOT of things Hart can do that Deuce doesn't do well. Hart is a better rebounder, secondary playmaker, ball handler and transition finisher. You may gain in one spot, and lose in others. I don't think it's the magic bullet some may think. The offense hummed at times with Hart being a triple double machine on the floor. It comes down to decisiveness with the ball and making the next play - whether its taking an open shot or attacking the space or making the next pass. He did it well earlier in the year, and has been less effective lately. Part of it is also attacking the way teams defend us, so you bring Hart into the action early - have him initiate with Brunson off ball. Have him run pick and roll with Brunson. To me, this is what I would ask the coach to lean into more. And yes, Josh needs to turn it up and be more decisive. But a lot of players have to do more or do something better. Bridges needs way more aggression. KAT needs to stop complaining about fouls and stay focused, etc.
Right, except you put Deuce in, and you just got small, and not enough rebounding. I've advocated elsewhere to start JB, Deuce, OG, KAT, Mitch, as a balanced lineup with shooting and defense, which also is not 5-out. Why are we suddenly so sure that 5-out is the magic elixir? And if so, we don't have the roster for it - you'll have to trade Hart for Derrick White.
I still stand by this from 4/3/25
