martin wrote:
I wrote a few months ago that Grimes was one of the best defenders in the league. Now the numbers back it up
I'll say it again, if I had the option I would not trade him for Donovan Mitchell straight up. Hypothetically speaking
His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
martin wrote:His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
Not so crazy to want to see Grimes get some burn at PG.
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
Not so crazy to want to see Grimes get some burn at PG.
He's actually perfect next to JB, who is maybe more of a SG with some of his moves in the paint vs. finding open players?
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
Not so crazy to want to see Grimes get some burn at PG.
If Alec can, sure, why not!
But what we are seeing is he moves great without the ball and the quick ball movement after a catch is a very hard skill to own.
Thus, we are smitten! He makes everyone look good!!! Its why he is a good fit and he can shoot!!
Klay 2.0? Too early. But, nobody saw Klay coming either.
Thats the thing folks, you can't see it coming don't mean it can't happen. Randle is back. Brunson is better than advertised, and.......RJ is still just 22!!
Drose got cooked. Did not see that coming.
IQ defense and assists trending excellent. Did not not see that coming to this degree.
Toppin is not the shit. Thought he'd be further along. Did not see that coming.
The leg must have been a problem before he went out. Hope he comes back and exceeds!
franco12 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
Not so crazy to want to see Grimes get some burn at PG.
He's actually perfect next to JB, who is maybe more of a SG with some of his moves in the paint vs. finding open players?
Skillswise they definitely have a "ying and yang" thing going. I see Grimes making more use of his passing skills at the point. Why I like IQ at SG, he's more far along on offense than Grimes, but he also knows how to find teammates. Not saying Grimes game will remain static.
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:His natural passing ability has astounded me. One could say he is even better at finding guys at and around the rim than Brunson
Not so crazy to want to see Grimes get some burn at PG.
If Alec can, sure, why not!
But what we are seeing is he moves great without the ball and the quick ball movement after a catch is a very hard skill to own.
Thus, we are smitten! He makes everyone look good!!! Its why he is a good fit and he can shoot!!
Klay 2.0? Too early. But, nobody saw Klay coming either.Thats the thing folks, you can't see it coming don't mean it can't happen. Randle is back. Brunson is better than advertised, and.......RJ is still just 22!!
Drose got cooked. Did not see that coming.
IQ defense and assists trending excellent. Did not not see that coming to this degree.
Toppin is not the shit. Thought he'd be further along. Did not see that coming.
The leg must have been a problem before he went out. Hope he comes back and exceeds!
Burks was too mechanical as a PG, too be diplomatic. Grimes is showing the kind of court awareness you see in top flight PGs, which is why I'd like to see that talent developed. Just like Thibs saw in IQ.
Obi is a system player, and this 'aint his system.
I love "re-drafts" and although I believe this is too early, I think a case can be made today for Grimes going top 10 in a redraft.
IMO, from from I've seen from players drafted in 2021, I haven't been impressed with Green, Mitchell or Williams and would replace them in the top 10 with Duarte, Grimes, and Kispert (Yes, Jalen Green drops from my top 10)
Mobley would be my #1 pick.
Im not sure Grimes is a PG, but his ability to get into the lane and make a sweet dish to a finisher is quite impressive. He is way more than a 3 and D
John Hollinger doesn't seem to think that highly of Grimes, tho I question how many games he watches these days. Not much of a threat off the bounce?!? Grimes has absolutely shown utility off the bounce. Eh...A case of just looking at stats and not digging down deeper.
Hollinger: How have Scottie Barnes, Evan Mobley, others progressed? Rating NBA’s sophomore class
https://theathletic.com/4058733/2023/01/...
Quentin Grimes, Knicks: Grimes has settled in as a fifth starter with the Knicks, a classic 3-and-D shooting guard. Grimes isn’t much of a threat off the bounce and averages just 17.5 points per 100 possessions, but he’s a volume catch-and-shoot 3-point weapon who has made 37.5 percent of his triples as a pro. Additionally, he’s become a solid defender with enough muscle to check 3s.It’s not easy to see how he can evolve much past this point without some radical upgrades in his handle, but he could hold down a role like this for a decade.
BigDaddyG wrote:John Hollinger doesn't seem to think that highly of Grimes, tho I question how many games he watches these days. Not much of a threat off the bounce?!? Grimes has absolutely shown utility off the bounce. Eh...A case of just looking at stats and not digging down deeper.Hollinger: How have Scottie Barnes, Evan Mobley, others progressed? Rating NBA’s sophomore class
https://theathletic.com/4058733/2023/01/...
Quentin Grimes, Knicks: Grimes has settled in as a fifth starter with the Knicks, a classic 3-and-D shooting guard. Grimes isn’t much of a threat off the bounce and averages just 17.5 points per 100 possessions, but he’s a volume catch-and-shoot 3-point weapon who has made 37.5 percent of his triples as a pro. Additionally, he’s become a solid defender with enough muscle to check 3s.It’s not easy to see how he can evolve much past this point without some radical upgrades in his handle, but he could hold down a role like this for a decade.
His article is mainly focused on the guys at the top all looking subpar this year. The guys he mentions secondarily like grimes are clearly opinions based on their general reputations.
TLDR: Hollinger can go f himself with these piss poor takes
BigDaddyG wrote:John Hollinger doesn't seem to think that highly of Grimes, tho I question how many games he watches these days. Not much of a threat off the bounce?!? Grimes has absolutely shown utility off the bounce. Eh...A case of just looking at stats and not digging down deeper.Hollinger: How have Scottie Barnes, Evan Mobley, others progressed? Rating NBA’s sophomore class
https://theathletic.com/4058733/2023/01/...
Quentin Grimes, Knicks: Grimes has settled in as a fifth starter with the Knicks, a classic 3-and-D shooting guard. Grimes isn’t much of a threat off the bounce and averages just 17.5 points per 100 possessions, but he’s a volume catch-and-shoot 3-point weapon who has made 37.5 percent of his triples as a pro. Additionally, he’s become a solid defender with enough muscle to check 3s.It’s not easy to see how he can evolve much past this point without some radical upgrades in his handle, but he could hold down a role like this for a decade.
martin wrote:TLDR: Hollinger can go f himself with these piss poor takes BigDaddyG wrote:John Hollinger doesn't seem to think that highly of Grimes, tho I question how many games he watches these days. Not much of a threat off the bounce?!? Grimes has absolutely shown utility off the bounce. Eh...A case of just looking at stats and not digging down deeper.Hollinger: How have Scottie Barnes, Evan Mobley, others progressed? Rating NBA’s sophomore class
https://theathletic.com/4058733/2023/01/...
Quentin Grimes, Knicks: Grimes has settled in as a fifth starter with the Knicks, a classic 3-and-D shooting guard. Grimes isn’t much of a threat off the bounce and averages just 17.5 points per 100 possessions, but he’s a volume catch-and-shoot 3-point weapon who has made 37.5 percent of his triples as a pro. Additionally, he’s become a solid defender with enough muscle to check 3s.It’s not easy to see how he can evolve much past this point without some radical upgrades in his handle, but he could hold down a role like this for a decade.
The lazy hot take "experts" that rule the day are so Fing tiresome. In the old days we called them typists as opposed to writers.
BigDaddyG wrote:https://theathletic.com/4062748/2023/01/...
Knicks’ Quentin Grimes is NBA’s king of attacking closeoutsThere is a niche statistic inside Second Spectrum, the basketball geek’s bible, called “blow-by rate.” It tracks the exact quality it sounds like it does: the percentage of time a dribbler blows by his defender when he drives to the hoop. There are 174 NBA players with as many drives to the paint as Grimes has this season, and the Knicks’ 22-year-old up-and-comer owns the best blow-by rate of the bunch.
One hundred and seventy-four players are not a small grouping. Many of them are speedsters. And Grimes darts by his defender more frequently than all of them.
Spot-up threats dominate the stat, and for good reason. Opponents would rather have guys like Trey Murphy or Aaron Nesmith (who join Grimes in the league’s top 10) dribbling than shooting 3s. Defenses scheme to run those types of players off the 3-point arc, closing out hard and worrying about dribble penetration later.
Grimes has become an ideal secondary shot creator. The Knicks don’t use him to run pick-and-rolls, and he’s not going one-on-one except for in emergencies. But he’s become automatic when he attacks these closeouts.
His shots are almost exclusively 3s or layups. He’s hitting a top-notch 74 percent of his looks at the rim. He is racking up an assist a little more than once every five drives, which places him in the NBA’s 97th percentile, according to information tracked by Second Spectrum.
Thats great. Most teams know to set a high pick to free the ball carrier, when Grimes is defending them. They are scouting him, he isnt under anyone's radar anymore. And theyre still having trouble slowing him down. He's that fast.
I get the feeling that Grimes is so fast going north/south, they're going to try to make him go more east/west to get to the rim. Thats what I would do, dont ask me how lol, Grimes really moves his feet.
GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:https://theathletic.com/4062748/2023/01/...
Knicks’ Quentin Grimes is NBA’s king of attacking closeoutsThere is a niche statistic inside Second Spectrum, the basketball geek’s bible, called “blow-by rate.” It tracks the exact quality it sounds like it does: the percentage of time a dribbler blows by his defender when he drives to the hoop. There are 174 NBA players with as many drives to the paint as Grimes has this season, and the Knicks’ 22-year-old up-and-comer owns the best blow-by rate of the bunch.
One hundred and seventy-four players are not a small grouping. Many of them are speedsters. And Grimes darts by his defender more frequently than all of them.
Spot-up threats dominate the stat, and for good reason. Opponents would rather have guys like Trey Murphy or Aaron Nesmith (who join Grimes in the league’s top 10) dribbling than shooting 3s. Defenses scheme to run those types of players off the 3-point arc, closing out hard and worrying about dribble penetration later.
Grimes has become an ideal secondary shot creator. The Knicks don’t use him to run pick-and-rolls, and he’s not going one-on-one except for in emergencies. But he’s become automatic when he attacks these closeouts.
His shots are almost exclusively 3s or layups. He’s hitting a top-notch 74 percent of his looks at the rim. He is racking up an assist a little more than once every five drives, which places him in the NBA’s 97th percentile, according to information tracked by Second Spectrum.
Thats great. Most teams know to set a high pick to free the ball carrier, when Grimes is defending them. They are scouting him, he isnt under anyone's radar anymore. And theyre still having trouble slowing him down. He's that fast.
I get the feeling that Grimes is so fast going north/south, they're going to try to make him go more east/west to get to the rim. Thats what I would do, dont ask me how lol, Grimes really moves his feet.
Yeah, he kind of reminds me Mark Price when he drives. Price was quick, but his ability to read the defenders positioning made him seem a step quicker. I'm confident Grimes can do more on offense when given the opportunity off of picks and curls. I'll even go crazy and say he can definitely be a threat off of picks and roll opportunities if given the chance.
If its true that Jerry West told the FO not to trade Grimes, thats a cool story. The man still has it.
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:https://theathletic.com/4062748/2023/01/...
Knicks’ Quentin Grimes is NBA’s king of attacking closeoutsThere is a niche statistic inside Second Spectrum, the basketball geek’s bible, called “blow-by rate.” It tracks the exact quality it sounds like it does: the percentage of time a dribbler blows by his defender when he drives to the hoop. There are 174 NBA players with as many drives to the paint as Grimes has this season, and the Knicks’ 22-year-old up-and-comer owns the best blow-by rate of the bunch.
One hundred and seventy-four players are not a small grouping. Many of them are speedsters. And Grimes darts by his defender more frequently than all of them.
Spot-up threats dominate the stat, and for good reason. Opponents would rather have guys like Trey Murphy or Aaron Nesmith (who join Grimes in the league’s top 10) dribbling than shooting 3s. Defenses scheme to run those types of players off the 3-point arc, closing out hard and worrying about dribble penetration later.
Grimes has become an ideal secondary shot creator. The Knicks don’t use him to run pick-and-rolls, and he’s not going one-on-one except for in emergencies. But he’s become automatic when he attacks these closeouts.
His shots are almost exclusively 3s or layups. He’s hitting a top-notch 74 percent of his looks at the rim. He is racking up an assist a little more than once every five drives, which places him in the NBA’s 97th percentile, according to information tracked by Second Spectrum.
Thats great. Most teams know to set a high pick to free the ball carrier, when Grimes is defending them. They are scouting him, he isnt under anyone's radar anymore. And theyre still having trouble slowing him down. He's that fast.
I get the feeling that Grimes is so fast going north/south, they're going to try to make him go more east/west to get to the rim. Thats what I would do, dont ask me how lol, Grimes really moves his feet.
Yeah, he kind of reminds me Mark Price when he drives. Price was quick, but his ability to read the defenders positioning made him seem a step quicker. I'm confident Grimes can do more on offense when given the opportunity off of picks and curls. I'll even go crazy and say he can definitely be a threat off of picks and roll opportunities if given the chance.
Thats a good comparison. Looking forward to seeing what Grimes game is like after this season. When he's had a chance to absorb this year. This looks like his breakout season.
