Knicks · 2021 re-draft, where you putting Grimes? (page 1)
martin@ 12/16/2022 12:08 PM
Definitely top 15?
Obviously jumps Boouknight, Primo, Duarte?
You know someone on the Spurs forums are calling for the entire FO to be fired cause they could have dropped down to 25 in a trade with the Knicks/LAC so that NY could have drafted Duarte instead of an tad overreach for Primo.
Pk Tm Player ------ --- ---------------------- 1 DET Cade Cunningham 2 HOU Jalen Green 3 CLE Evan Mobley 4 TOR Scottie Barnes 5 ORL Jalen Suggs 6 OKC Josh Giddey 7 GSW Jonathan Kuminga 8 ORL Franz Wagner 9 SAC Davion Mitchell 10 NOP Ziaire Williams 11 CHO James Bouknight 12 SAS Joshua Primo 13 IND Chris Duarte 14 GSW Moses Moody 15 WAS Corey Kispert 16 OKC Alperen Şengün 17 MEM Trey Murphy III 18 OKC Tre Mann 19 NYK Kai Jones 20 ATL Jalen Johnson 21 NYK Keon Johnson 22 LAL Isaiah Jackson 23 HOU Usman Garuba 24 HOU Josh Christopher 25 LAC Quentin Grimes 26 DEN Bones Hyland 27 BRK Cam Thomas 28 PHI Jaden Springer 29 PHO Day'Ron Sharpe 30 UTA Santi Aldama 31 MIL Isaiah Todd 32 NYK Jeremiah Robinson-Earl 33 ORL Jason Preston 34 OKC Rokas Jokubaitis 35 NOP Herbert Jones 36 OKC Miles McBride 37 DET JT Thor 38 CHI Ayo Dosunmu
Knixkik@ 12/16/2022 1:13 PM
Looking at the list: 1. Barnes 2. Cade 3. Mobley 4. Green 5. Wagner 6. Giddey 7. Murphy 8. Herb 9. Kuminga 10. Grimes
So he definitely has a strong case for 10 or higher. Kuminga is still just potential. McBride has a case for top 20 too.
GustavBahler@ 12/16/2022 1:20 PM
Last time I commented on a thread like this, I put Landry Fields at 2. So I will pass this time.
Do believe its a little too early for this. Because Im guessing that the concensus will be in a year from now, that he should have been drafted even higher.
Grimes is just starting to tap into his potential.
EwingsGlass@ 12/16/2022 1:28 PM
Knixkik wrote:Looking at the list: 1. Barnes 2. Cade 3. Mobley 4. Green 5. Wagner 6. Giddey 7. Murphy 8. Herb 9. Kuminga 10. Grimes
So he definitely has a strong case for 10 or higher. Kuminga is still just potential. McBride has a case for top 20 too.
Hard to do this in a vacuum. He's doesn't have huge track record. Duarte is injured, but Grimes was down most of last year. If you had to pick one season from each, which are you taking? You have to at least consider Dosonmu moving up above Grimes. Sengun is definitely up there. Kispert is probably above Grimes though you can argue. Bones Hyland probably is above Grimes. Santi Aldama is doing pretty well in Memphis. Even Jeremiah Robinson-Earl. I mean, I think its hard to say top 15. I'm willing to go top 20. And if Grimes can keep the last 5 games up, certainly higher. Need to see it with volume.
ekstarks94@ 12/16/2022 1:28 PM
Surprised Grimes even dropped that far...I think I remember him standing out in the combine games...I think that put him on Thibs and co radar
BigDaddyG@ 12/16/2022 1:33 PM
martin wrote:Definitely top 15?
Obviously jumps Boouknight, Primo, Duarte?
You know someone on the Spurs forums are calling for the entire FO to be fired cause they could have dropped down to 25 in a trade with the Knicks/LAC so that NY could have drafted Duarte instead of an tad overreach for Primo.
Pk Tm Player ------ --- ---------------------- 1 DET Cade Cunningham 2 HOU Jalen Green 3 CLE Evan Mobley 4 TOR Scottie Barnes 5 ORL Jalen Suggs 6 OKC Josh Giddey 7 GSW Jonathan Kuminga 8 ORL Franz Wagner 9 SAC Davion Mitchell 10 NOP Ziaire Williams 11 CHO James Bouknight 12 SAS Joshua Primo 13 IND Chris Duarte 14 GSW Moses Moody 15 WAS Corey Kispert 16 OKC Alperen Şengün 17 MEM Trey Murphy III 18 OKC Tre Mann 19 NYK Kai Jones 20 ATL Jalen Johnson 21 NYK Keon Johnson 22 LAL Isaiah Jackson 23 HOU Usman Garuba 24 HOU Josh Christopher 25 LAC Quentin Grimes 26 DEN Bones Hyland 27 BRK Cam Thomas 28 PHI Jaden Springer 29 PHO Day'Ron Sharpe 30 UTA Santi Aldama 31 MIL Isaiah Todd 32 NYK Jeremiah Robinson-Earl 33 ORL Jason Preston 34 OKC Rokas Jokubaitis 35 NOP Herbert Jones 36 OKC Miles McBride 37 DET JT Thor 38 CHI Ayo Dosunmu
Maybe jumps Duarte because he's hurt, but that can easily change by seasons end. But I think it's a tie at best.
Knixkik@ 12/16/2022 2:40 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Looking at the list: 1. Barnes 2. Cade 3. Mobley 4. Green 5. Wagner 6. Giddey 7. Murphy 8. Herb 9. Kuminga 10. Grimes
So he definitely has a strong case for 10 or higher. Kuminga is still just potential. McBride has a case for top 20 too.
Hard to do this in a vacuum. He's doesn't have huge track record. Duarte is injured, but Grimes was down most of last year. If you had to pick one season from each, which are you taking? You have to at least consider Dosonmu moving up above Grimes. Sengun is definitely up there. Kispert is probably above Grimes though you can argue. Bones Hyland probably is above Grimes. Santi Aldama is doing pretty well in Memphis. Even Jeremiah Robinson-Earl. I mean, I think its hard to say top 15. I'm willing to go top 20. And if Grimes can keep the last 5 games up, certainly higher. Need to see it with volume.
Yes it’s very hard. I think the prototype is what makes him most valuable outside of the guys with star upside.
gradyandrew@ 12/16/2022 9:11 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Last time I commented on a thread like this, I put Landry Fields at 2. So I will pass this time.
Do believe its a little too early for this. Because Im guessing that the concensus will be in a year from now, that he should have been drafted even higher.
Grimes is just starting to tap into his potential.
Aqua! lol
Ira@ 12/16/2022 9:25 PM
I also agree. I think we should park him at the 2 and let him continue to develop his game. `he's smart, has great defensive instincts and is developing a good offensive game.
KnickDanger@ 12/16/2022 10:58 PM
I say first overall!
TheGame@ 12/17/2022 5:08 AM
Do you see how easy Grimes scores? He puts up 22 points just off catch and shoots and a couple of cuts to the basket, with both RJ and Randle still missing him on a bunch of shots he could make. Once this team realizes he should be the 2nd/3rd option and not RJ (who remains a highly inefficient player), this team will take off. The young Klay Thompson comparisons I throw out look to be more accurate every game Grimes plays. Right now I would say Grimes should have been top 10, but by next year, we might be saying top-5.
EwingsGlass@ 12/17/2022 10:33 AM
TheGame wrote:Do you see how easy Grimes scores? He puts up 22 points just off catch and shoots and a couple of cuts to the basket, with both RJ and Randle still missing him on a bunch of shots he could make. Once this team realizes he should be the 2nd/3rd option and not RJ (who remains a highly inefficient player), this team will take off. The young Klay Thompson comparisons I throw out look to be more accurate every game Grimes plays. Right now I would say Grimes should have been top 10, but by next year, we might be saying top-5.
He scores 22 without actually running plays for him or having any significant ball handling responsibilities, as an afterthought once our other players have dribbled the air out of the ball and finally pass it to him when lack other options.
TheGame@ 12/17/2022 10:53 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
TheGame wrote:Do you see how easy Grimes scores? He puts up 22 points just off catch and shoots and a couple of cuts to the basket, with both RJ and Randle still missing him on a bunch of shots he could make. Once this team realizes he should be the 2nd/3rd option and not RJ (who remains a highly inefficient player), this team will take off. The young Klay Thompson comparisons I throw out look to be more accurate every game Grimes plays. Right now I would say Grimes should have been top 10, but by next year, we might be saying top-5.
He scores 22 without actually running plays for him or having any significant ball handling responsibilities, as an afterthought once our other players have dribbled the air out of the ball and finally pass it to him when lack other options.
Knicks knew what they were doing keeping him out of the trade talks. He has a lot of development to go through but he looks like the real deal. We have our 1 and 2 for the next 5-6 seasons in Brunson and Grimes.
martin@ 12/17/2022 12:40 PM
TheGame wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
TheGame wrote:Do you see how easy Grimes scores? He puts up 22 points just off catch and shoots and a couple of cuts to the basket, with both RJ and Randle still missing him on a bunch of shots he could make. Once this team realizes he should be the 2nd/3rd option and not RJ (who remains a highly inefficient player), this team will take off. The young Klay Thompson comparisons I throw out look to be more accurate every game Grimes plays. Right now I would say Grimes should have been top 10, but by next year, we might be saying top-5.
He scores 22 without actually running plays for him or having any significant ball handling responsibilities, as an afterthought once our other players have dribbled the air out of the ball and finally pass it to him when lack other options.
Knicks knew what they were doing keeping him out of the trade talks. He has a lot of development to go through but he looks like the real deal. We have our 1 and 2 for the next 5-6 seasons in Brunson and Grimes.
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He has a chance to become a top-10, or even top-5 worthy player in his draft class over the next few years. If he can prove that he can keep up his percentages if you up his usage rate. He might have all-star potential down the road if given the opportunity - and if the Knicks continue to win big.
