The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)
Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
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Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
OR
Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
I think it can be a bit of both TBH. You are always trying to pick BPA within your spectrum of player-type, and given the range of pick you have.
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
OR
Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
I’m with you. Draft talent vs need is a tough yearly dilemma. Since we have 2 picks, maybe we can do both.
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Yes the 9 man rotation is fine. Toppin and quickley will need to be paid sooner rather than later so decisions on those 9 will have to be made. I am hoping we can draft a quality wing that can serve as a 10th man and be part of the rotation when someone is out.
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
OR
Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
I think it can be a bit of both TBH. You are always trying to pick BPA within your spectrum of player-type, and given the range of pick you have.
I think the key is it IS both. I never saw Porter Jr as a great 2 way player and that is the mold of the guys we are bringing in (Brunson aside but he's the phucking floor general)
Why draft any player that doesnt fit your culture?
When I say "BPA" I think "athletic 2-way player" is implied 
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
OR
Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
I think you go BPA every single time... end of the day, you can always trade one of the superfluous pieces for value because they were the BPA
in short, draft the BPA, and then make a smart trade later
I trust this FO. I just hope we don't do anything fancy like trade back to open salary to sign someone or get future picks, leaving us empty of this year's new shiny thing.
I hope we find more guys like Obi, IQ, Mitch and that one of them could turn out to be the franchise stud (we hoped RJ would become.)
If the pick does not convey do we get the pick the following draft from Dallas ?
Alpha1971 wrote:If the pick does not convey do we get the pick the following draft from Dallas ?
It’s top 10 protected next year too.
Alpha1971 wrote:If the pick does not convey do we get the pick the following draft from Dallas ?
Only way it won’t convey is if Luka misses serious time with injury
Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
They blow every lottery pick so picking later will probably work out better for them
Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:If the pick does not convey do we get the pick the following draft from Dallas ?
It’s top 10 protected next year too.
We have until 2025. At that point it turns into a 2nd rounder.
blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:The pick is top 10 protected and currently at pick 12. With all being good in knick land, this is a really nice thing to also have the ability to get a lottery pick that’s not ours. That’s best case scenario right ? Knicks pick lands in the late teens to 20s because we are good, and Dallas pick lands just outside the top 10. It’s a shame it’s not more lightly protected, but that’s the way it goes. Knicks haven’t drafted a star, but have been so good drafting outside of the top 10 lately that I think there’s huge opportunity here. I have felt the team could make a move between now and the deadline for a bench scorer/ 6th man type, but I also believe that a player of that caliber will be there in the 11-15 range if the Knicks draft well. That is my hope. There’s a stud wing that will be there if we are smart. Knicks may not want to pay a free agent this year and will likely trim some fat off the roster, so there is still space for a wing scorer/ 2-way player to make an impact if we draft the right guy.
we are so young. I would be fine with bringing back the 9 man rotation (currently average age of < 24)Rose stays, Fournier and Cam are replaced with FRPs and just take the BPA. Guys like IQ/Ob/McBride can all earn their extensions when the time comes. We are MSG and I'm not worried about having to pay guys
Fish, I'm always going back and forth on drafting BPA or Need. I think if we go BPA, it should be for a player who was labeled a potential star, but fell in the draft for injury concerns or other concerns. We passed on Michael Porter Jr due to injury concerns. And he sat out his first year with that same injury. All knick fans were like, yes I escaped that issue. Turns out he's a very solid player and way better than I expected. We can definitely take chances on a player that 1 year away from contributing.
OR
Now that we know what works, maybe finding Grimes type players who are 2 way players, but smart enough to blend in with other stars. And skilled enough to have a high ceiling. To me thats Grimes. And I think every draft is full of these type players. They usually get overlooked by overseas guys or player that run and jump higher. Then there's the players that kill the combine. After all that smoke is clear, I believe we can find a need in the draft and not just BPA. Maybe someone to replace IQ for example, if the FO doesn't plan on keeping him and want to take advantage of these rookie salaries.
Keep building around our top 3 (or 4 with Grimes) with low salary players that are hungry and smart, while having the ability to excel in a defensive minded high IQ system. Thibs seems like he gives his players a lot of room on offense. So high IQ 2-way players are perfect for Thibs system.
A Grimes type of player at the 3 for the 2nd unit would be just right with this group.
Frank should make sure the fix is in for #11. he owes us.
The front office is in a different position from years past. We seem to be settling into a go-to top 6 rotation.
We hit jackpot with Brunson. We have Randle and RJ. Grimes may be locking himself in as the future at SG.
Quickley’s still has erratic shooting, but is establishing himself as our go-to 6th man. We’re 3 deep at center.
Our young top 6 are set. We can just try to develop our this young core and see if another year or so can make us championship worthy. Randle and Brunson are in their early primes with some untapped potential. Everyone else certainly has more room to grow.
This of course makes this 2023 draft and free agency very interesting. as short of a disgruntled superstar asking for his way out, or an absolute outlier draft pick, it’ll take a lot to get anyone who is more than a spot player in our rotation.
The market on Quickley is going to be interesting. Much like with players like Van Vleet and Brunson in recent years, some team may bid more than $25m/yr on his potential to be a starting PG.
This pick has already fallen to 22. Unreal. Doncic is a future all time great. Really the only way this pick comes back to the lottery range is if Luka misses significant time.
Knicks can look at upperclassman with this pick or a buy-low freshman who falls due to certain red flags. An upperclassman to watch here is Colby jones. He’s going to be a solid nba rotation wing and fits the mold of what Knicks have drafted for thibs.
Knixkik wrote:This pick has already fallen to 22. Unreal. Doncic is a future all time great. Really the only way this pick comes back to the lottery range is if Luka misses significant time.Knicks can look at upperclassman with this pick or a buy-low freshman who falls due to certain red flags. An upperclassman to watch here is Colby jones. He’s going to be a solid nba rotation wing and fits the mold of what Knicks have drafted for thibs.
its gonna be a really deep draft and I love our scouting ability to get quality players who can quickly fight for rotation minutes. We also have Rokus in the queue. Will be really interesting to see what our roster looks like next season
Knixkik wrote:This pick has already fallen to 22. Unreal. Doncic is a future all time great. Really the only way this pick comes back to the lottery range is if Luka misses significant time.Knicks can look at upperclassman with this pick or a buy-low freshman who falls due to certain red flags. An upperclassman to watch here is Colby jones. He’s going to be a solid nba rotation wing and fits the mold of what Knicks have drafted for thibs.
No worries, Luka typically misses about 20 games a season, he just hasn't gotten there yet 
