Knicks · [Game Thread 12/27/22] Knicks at Mavs 8:30PM (page 9)
GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:
I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players shitting the bed on defense.
1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.
The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.
Can Grimes substitute himself out for Sims? Ultimately its Thibs decision to trust Grimes.
I was referring to the two different situations you reference.
The substitution is all Thibs.
When Grimes is doubled on the line he can call time out too, and it would probably come faster than of Thibs called it. I think they both share the blame on that one. The more I see Grimes in certain situations, while a real good defender and decent scorer, he is making some very bad decisions/having real bad mental lapses when he is facing pressure situations.I noticed that too but its too early in Grimes career for me to be concerned. Was a bench player last season without much responsibility. Now Grimes is a starter, more pressure. Going to take time to find out if its really an issue.
More concerned with Randle choking again. Has one game where he's clutch, and its treated like a national holiday.
Curious when you thought he choked? Sam broke down the last 41 really well on this thread.
Randle played well. He made a couple of good passes to open guys in last two minutes and they missed their shots. Including two close range ones by Hart.I noticed poor exterior defense in last couple of minutes. Our two lock down youngins showed it's hard to stop NBA guys from scoring. Deuce played the ball instead of the man on that three by Din. Dinwiddie hit two big three's on him in the last two minutes. Grimes was jumpy on defense with Luka taking full advantage. Grimes got a little flustered, yet again, in close games. Our two main PGs(IQ and Deuce) went 9-36. Biggest thing was that we had guys logging in crazy minutes due to injuries. It showed late in the game and OT. But you seem to have different glasses.
I saw a tough game. Good play by Randle and Grimes. Randle's non "national holiday game" had 29/19. He also moved the ball well yet again. Grimes got 33 and looked like a better fit than RJ. IQ played well with an amazing 15 assists and also looked like he made the offense flow better than JB. He just missed too many shots. Deuce got some good PT and dropped 14. Many in here wanted him to get the chance to play. MR had another strong game with 20. If Mavs get one less BS call, miss just one of those last minute shots or Deuce and Grimes get that last rebound instead of knocking it out to Luka, we win that game and NO ONE on here is bringing up why we lost the game.
Loss sucks but only thing we can do is take some positives from it. But yeah, we need a win bad. The last couple of last second losses have been a kick in the nuts.
The two missed free throws in crunch time. I'm sure you've played in games where someone on your team bricked a couple of free throws, and it took some of the air out of the team. Just enough for the other team to pounce. This happens a lot with Randle. As I've said before, if Randle was the third or fourth best player on the team, these lapses in crunch time, would be more understandable.If one were to look back at Randle's 2020 season, there's a good chance you'll find I was the first person to point out that this was a different player. I appreciate what he brings to the table, but he plays too an important role in the offense to have so many lapses in crunch time, which extends beyond that excellent recap by Sam.
I dont believe we can build a roster where Randle is a 3rd or 4th option. Because of the cap, and I dont believe the FO wants to gut the bench.
The season isnt over, anything can happen. Unless Randle starts being more of an asset than a liability in crunch time, I believe the FO should look to upgrade. We can go around in circles about who. Players ask to be traded, some are too expensive to keep, someone worth pursuing may become available. Have to wait and see, with Randle, and who is or will be available.
"Crunch time" was last minute of the game? You talking overtime when everyone was spent? He put Knicks in a position that OT should not have happened. But true, pros should not miss Foul shots. But if you want to ignore yet another good game in an impressive last 15 and blame him for the loss while pushing the same ole "let's trade him for someone that does not exist", I guess ok.
Don't think guys that feel he is not a good player will ever appreciate what he brings. Not gonna try. Think some probably will when he is gone and we have yet another victim many expect to be perfect to pick on. My take has always been that many criticize him for not being a number one ignoring what a true No 1 costs. Including giving up many many assets. That and that 20/10 should be useful to a team. I am all for upgrades. But you do know we need that at EVERY position. Don't see guys yelling trade those guys every chance they get Btw, Still yet to see a trade proposal where we get an upgrade for him?
My point earlier waa Randle missing fouls shots in OT was low on list of why we lost.
fishmike wrote:Knick fans... find was to blame the coach. Blame Randle... GustavBahler thinks IQ should (after shoot 1-10 from 3 with 15 assists) play SG instead of PG. Phil thinks we should have played Cam. All good stuffI do hope the first thing the next coach or all star can cover are crunch time FTs and securing loose balls. Grimes and McBride staring at each other playing hot potato while Luka takes in and shoots it. THAT was the game right there. Stop with the other BS.
This actually how young teams grow and develop. By playing to win, even if you come up short. Good game for no RJ/Brunson... really painful loss
Yes these are the growing pains when you play the yoots. I’m also seeing growing pains with thibs and hes no yoot.
Not trying to bash thibs but it’s definitely hard to support. This is why I said they only explanation is thibs is playing the political game. Or catering to his boss for some other reason beyond what fans hear. That’s the only explanation I can think of.
Yes thibs helped us make this game close so I can’t put everything on him. But he also had some opportunities to win and I thought (just like all the other close games we lost) was a winnable game. And typically we lose close games we should’ve won based on coaching execution and your leaders on the floor (Randle).
I can’t put my finger on it but I’m not liking this combination of Thibs, Randle, RJ. And maybe there’s more but something seems off. Even if we won I would have the same concerns. And I don’t see this getting fixed in the playoffs. The question is always the same every year. Is it better for youth development to make a real push for the playoffs with this current roster, plus a fee minor changes. Or stop the hybrid tanking and go full tank. Get a high pick and try it again. Gotta do something different.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:did you actually watch? See it unfold? Weak is your desperation to find Randle's fault in this. Randle got us to a place where all we had to do was secure ONE rebound. We had two players with it in their hands. Luka took it and scored it. THAT was the game with 1 second. Really nothing matters but THAT play. Randle was a star. Grimes was a star. Our guys played great. Closing games matters and young teams struggle with that. They will learn. They are well coached (expect when Thibs isnt yelling "hold the ball or "hit that FT")fishmike wrote:Knick fans... find was to blame the coach. Blame Randle... GustavBahler thinks IQ should (after shoot 1-10 from 3 with 15 assists) play SG instead of PG. Phil thinks we should have played Cam. All good stuffI do hope the first thing the next coach or all star can cover are crunch time FTs and securing loose balls. Grimes and McBride staring at each other playing hot potato while Luka takes in and shoots it. THAT was the game right there. Stop with the other BS.
This actually how young teams grow and develop. By playing to win, even if you come up short. Good game for no RJ/Brunson... really painful loss
Thats just weak fishmike. Been saying since IQ's rookie year that he's a better scorer when thats his primary role, not running the point as well.
IQ wasnt looking to score in the first half, and guys were hitting their shots.
No blame for Thibs for the distribution of minutes, or Randle for bricking game changing FTs. Its all on the young guys. Interesting.
Distribution of minutes? This happens. Its the NBA. Its like you dont even follow the league. Every team does this and has nights like this. Luka played just as much as our guys. Give me a break.
Thats just weak fishmike. Been saying since IQ's rookie year that he's a better scorer when thats his primary role, not running the point as well.You have been wrong since his rookie year then. He's never been anything but a streaky scorer, developing the other parts of his game are why he's improving. The guy's hovered around 40% shooting and 35% from 3 since he's been in the league. You want to make him a full time scorer. I'm glad your not our coach
Everyone who is a Knick fan the last 20 years: "We need a PG that can defend. That can break down the defense. That can shoot the ball. That gets the ball to the hot hands. Who makes the offense flow."
IQ has 15 assists. Blended well with Randle and got Grimes 33. Ran the offense well and had a team missing their two starters up 9 with seconds left against good teams with a top 5 player. Then the thing that could happen to youngins happened.
Gustav: IQ not a PG and we have Randle to blame.
I wanted Knicks to give IQ the nod prior to JB. Not mad we got him. Been saying he can be another Maxey if given the chance. Guarantee that after watching IQ last night, JB will be just fine to play in next game.
HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:
I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players shitting the bed on defense.
1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.
The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.
Can Grimes substitute himself out for Sims? Ultimately its Thibs decision to trust Grimes.
I was referring to the two different situations you reference.
The substitution is all Thibs.
When Grimes is doubled on the line he can call time out too, and it would probably come faster than of Thibs called it. I think they both share the blame on that one. The more I see Grimes in certain situations, while a real good defender and decent scorer, he is making some very bad decisions/having real bad mental lapses when he is facing pressure situations.I noticed that too but its too early in Grimes career for me to be concerned. Was a bench player last season without much responsibility. Now Grimes is a starter, more pressure. Going to take time to find out if its really an issue.
More concerned with Randle choking again. Has one game where he's clutch, and its treated like a national holiday.
Curious when you thought he choked? Sam broke down the last 41 really well on this thread.
Randle played well. He made a couple of good passes to open guys in last two minutes and they missed their shots. Including two close range ones by Hart.I noticed poor exterior defense in last couple of minutes. Our two lock down youngins showed it's hard to stop NBA guys from scoring. Deuce played the ball instead of the man on that three by Din. Dinwiddie hit two big three's on him in the last two minutes. Grimes was jumpy on defense with Luka taking full advantage. Grimes got a little flustered, yet again, in close games. Our two main PGs(IQ and Deuce) went 9-36. Biggest thing was that we had guys logging in crazy minutes due to injuries. It showed late in the game and OT. But you seem to have different glasses.
I saw a tough game. Good play by Randle and Grimes. Randle's non "national holiday game" had 29/19. He also moved the ball well yet again. Grimes got 33 and looked like a better fit than RJ. IQ played well with an amazing 15 assists and also looked like he made the offense flow better than JB. He just missed too many shots. Deuce got some good PT and dropped 14. Many in here wanted him to get the chance to play. MR had another strong game with 20. If Mavs get one less BS call, miss just one of those last minute shots or Deuce and Grimes get that last rebound instead of knocking it out to Luka, we win that game and NO ONE on here is bringing up why we lost the game.
Loss sucks but only thing we can do is take some positives from it. But yeah, we need a win bad. The last couple of last second losses have been a kick in the nuts.
The two missed free throws in crunch time. I'm sure you've played in games where someone on your team bricked a couple of free throws, and it took some of the air out of the team. Just enough for the other team to pounce. This happens a lot with Randle. As I've said before, if Randle was the third or fourth best player on the team, these lapses in crunch time, would be more understandable.If one were to look back at Randle's 2020 season, there's a good chance you'll find I was the first person to point out that this was a different player. I appreciate what he brings to the table, but he plays too an important role in the offense to have so many lapses in crunch time, which extends beyond that excellent recap by Sam.
I dont believe we can build a roster where Randle is a 3rd or 4th option. Because of the cap, and I dont believe the FO wants to gut the bench.
The season isnt over, anything can happen. Unless Randle starts being more of an asset than a liability in crunch time, I believe the FO should look to upgrade. We can go around in circles about who. Players ask to be traded, some are too expensive to keep, someone worth pursuing may become available. Have to wait and see, with Randle, and who is or will be available.
"Crunch time" was last minute of the game? You talking overtime when everyone was spent? He put Knicks in a position that OT should not have happened. But true, pros should not miss Foul shots. But if you want to ignore yet another good game in an impressive last 15 and blame him for the loss while pushing the same ole "let's trade him for someone that does not exist", I guess ok.
Don't think guys that feel he is not a good player will ever appreciate what he brings. Not gonna try. Think some probably will when he is gone and we have yet another victim many expect to be perfect to pick on. My take has always been that many criticize him for not being a number one ignoring what a true No 1 costs. Including giving up many many assets. That and that 20/10 should be useful to a team. I am all for upgrades. But you do know we need that at EVERY position. Don't see guys yelling trade those guys every chance they get Btw, Still yet to see a trade proposal where we get an upgrade for him?
My point earlier waa Randle missing fouls shots in OT was low on list of why we lost.
Crunch time is overtime, and keeping a game from going to overtime, which we could lose. Which we did.
As I just explained, I appreciated what Randle brang to the table since very early in his 2020 M.I.P season. Not when he was dribbling into 3 defenders, the season prior.
I appreciate what Randle does but the lack of clutch play isnt something that should be glossed over.
From last season
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We have 17mm sitting on the bench. They should have just went with IQ last year and made some value signs.
We really miss a guy like Burks in the second unit this year.
There are guys like Clarkson, Monk floating around.
Fournier and a protected first for someone like Malik Beasley would be interesting. We need some more balls on the bench.
I do wonder this -- if some of the biggest crucifiers were Mavs fans, would they be saying "but the Knicks had three players out, including two of their top three, so it doesn't really count...."
Rookie wrote:I am so glad a was watching an hour behind live. I saw the box score and shut the tv off after 3 Q’s. It’s really easy to be level headed this way, but reading how we lost is still a little painful. We wanted to play the kids and this is what that looks like. Breaking league records though in 4th Q collapse….ouch
I can live with the growing pains. It's sink or swim. We need to quickly determine who stays or goes. We have plenty of picks to replenish bodies.
I am not watching necessarily for win or loss. Died at end of game cause they didn't win but was over-ecstatic cause of the way the guys played.
This is actually development, what every fan has wanted to see forever and it seems to me that a majoriy of folks really don't appreciate or don't even want to recognize what is going on right before them.
Grimes nearly had a all star in waiting type of performance. IQ showed distribution but not shooting. Duece showed us what he could be if he finds a shot and decides he too can take ball to rim. Mitch is out there beasting on guys heads.
This is the meat of what is exciting about this team.
Get used to appreciating it for what it is instead of pretending the Knicks are a deep playoff team and then expecting win/loss based on that. Knicks just had their best player sit with injury, RJ do down in first minutes AND all the young kids play out of their minds.
And folks are angry or losing interest? It boggles my mind.
Change your perspective and watch for development/growth - it's wild and it's happening.
SergioNYK wrote:Not much else to say. The only way this could have been worse is if it happened at home on Christmas. It hurts and it sucks. It's the type of loss that makes you question as a fan it's worth investing so much time and energy. Cause right now it doesn't seem worth it.
GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:
I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players shitting the bed on defense.
1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.
The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.
Can Grimes substitute himself out for Sims? Ultimately its Thibs decision to trust Grimes.
I was referring to the two different situations you reference.
The substitution is all Thibs.
When Grimes is doubled on the line he can call time out too, and it would probably come faster than of Thibs called it. I think they both share the blame on that one. The more I see Grimes in certain situations, while a real good defender and decent scorer, he is making some very bad decisions/having real bad mental lapses when he is facing pressure situations.I noticed that too but its too early in Grimes career for me to be concerned. Was a bench player last season without much responsibility. Now Grimes is a starter, more pressure. Going to take time to find out if its really an issue.
More concerned with Randle choking again. Has one game where he's clutch, and its treated like a national holiday.
Curious when you thought he choked? Sam broke down the last 41 really well on this thread.
Randle played well. He made a couple of good passes to open guys in last two minutes and they missed their shots. Including two close range ones by Hart.I noticed poor exterior defense in last couple of minutes. Our two lock down youngins showed it's hard to stop NBA guys from scoring. Deuce played the ball instead of the man on that three by Din. Dinwiddie hit two big three's on him in the last two minutes. Grimes was jumpy on defense with Luka taking full advantage. Grimes got a little flustered, yet again, in close games. Our two main PGs(IQ and Deuce) went 9-36. Biggest thing was that we had guys logging in crazy minutes due to injuries. It showed late in the game and OT. But you seem to have different glasses.
I saw a tough game. Good play by Randle and Grimes. Randle's non "national holiday game" had 29/19. He also moved the ball well yet again. Grimes got 33 and looked like a better fit than RJ. IQ played well with an amazing 15 assists and also looked like he made the offense flow better than JB. He just missed too many shots. Deuce got some good PT and dropped 14. Many in here wanted him to get the chance to play. MR had another strong game with 20. If Mavs get one less BS call, miss just one of those last minute shots or Deuce and Grimes get that last rebound instead of knocking it out to Luka, we win that game and NO ONE on here is bringing up why we lost the game.
Loss sucks but only thing we can do is take some positives from it. But yeah, we need a win bad. The last couple of last second losses have been a kick in the nuts.
The two missed free throws in crunch time. I'm sure you've played in games where someone on your team bricked a couple of free throws, and it took some of the air out of the team. Just enough for the other team to pounce. This happens a lot with Randle. As I've said before, if Randle was the third or fourth best player on the team, these lapses in crunch time, would be more understandable.If one were to look back at Randle's 2020 season, there's a good chance you'll find I was the first person to point out that this was a different player. I appreciate what he brings to the table, but he plays too an important role in the offense to have so many lapses in crunch time, which extends beyond that excellent recap by Sam.
I dont believe we can build a roster where Randle is a 3rd or 4th option. Because of the cap, and I dont believe the FO wants to gut the bench.
The season isnt over, anything can happen. Unless Randle starts being more of an asset than a liability in crunch time, I believe the FO should look to upgrade. We can go around in circles about who. Players ask to be traded, some are too expensive to keep, someone worth pursuing may become available. Have to wait and see, with Randle, and who is or will be available.
"Crunch time" was last minute of the game? You talking overtime when everyone was spent? He put Knicks in a position that OT should not have happened. But true, pros should not miss Foul shots. But if you want to ignore yet another good game in an impressive last 15 and blame him for the loss while pushing the same ole "let's trade him for someone that does not exist", I guess ok.
Don't think guys that feel he is not a good player will ever appreciate what he brings. Not gonna try. Think some probably will when he is gone and we have yet another victim many expect to be perfect to pick on. My take has always been that many criticize him for not being a number one ignoring what a true No 1 costs. Including giving up many many assets. That and that 20/10 should be useful to a team. I am all for upgrades. But you do know we need that at EVERY position. Don't see guys yelling trade those guys every chance they get Btw, Still yet to see a trade proposal where we get an upgrade for him?
My point earlier waa Randle missing fouls shots in OT was low on list of why we lost.
Crunch time is overtime, and keeping a game from going to overtime, which we could lose. Which we did.
As I just explained, I appreciated what Randle brang to the table since very early in his 2020 M.I.P season. Not when he was dribbling into 3 defenders, the season prior.
I appreciate what Randle does but the lack of clutch play isnt something that should be glossed over.
From last season
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13 shots make you clutch? So three more makes make him elite? Ok. Fair enough. We will leave out how he gets double teamed and was playing without 2 starters and three youngins raw to situation.
Remember, NO ONE here ever said the Randle is an elite number one.
This only reinforces my argument that guys that hate Randle are the ones that expected him to be Luka for $23M despite basically being a guy that gets rebounds and bullies people down low at 20/10 rate. Unrealistic expectations have been a stable for disgruntled Knick fans for years.
Where the rinse repeat model gets it's wings.
martin wrote:I have to tell you guys, I have the exact opposite reaction. Literally 100% divergent and beyond that.I am not watching necessarily for win or loss. Died at end of game cause they didn't win but was over-ecstatic cause of the way the guys played.
This is actually development, what every fan has wanted to see forever and it seems to me that a majoriy of folks really don't appreciate or don't even want to recognize what is going on right before them.
Grimes nearly had a all star in waiting type of performance. IQ showed distribution but not shooting. Duece showed us what he could be if he finds a shot and decides he too can take ball to rim. Mitch is out there beasting on guys heads.
This is the meat of what is exciting about this team.
Get used to appreciating it for what it is instead of pretending the Knicks are a deep playoff team and then expecting win/loss based on that. Knicks just had their best player sit with injury, RJ do down in first minutes AND all the young kids play out of their minds.
And folks are angry or losing interest? It boggles my mind.
Change your perspective and watch for development/growth - it's wild and it's happening.
SergioNYK wrote:Not much else to say. The only way this could have been worse is if it happened at home on Christmas. It hurts and it sucks. It's the type of loss that makes you question as a fan it's worth investing so much time and energy. Cause right now it doesn't seem worth it.
Yes.
blkexec wrote:the finger is your a hater. Randle was a monster and kept us the game. Meanwhile your boycrush McBride shot 1-9 from downtown and you walk away with "I just dont like Thibs and Randle" its pretty clear what you "see" and what you dontfishmike wrote:Knick fans... find was to blame the coach. Blame Randle... GustavBahler thinks IQ should (after shoot 1-10 from 3 with 15 assists) play SG instead of PG. Phil thinks we should have played Cam. All good stuffI do hope the first thing the next coach or all star can cover are crunch time FTs and securing loose balls. Grimes and McBride staring at each other playing hot potato while Luka takes in and shoots it. THAT was the game right there. Stop with the other BS.
This actually how young teams grow and develop. By playing to win, even if you come up short. Good game for no RJ/Brunson... really painful loss
Yes these are the growing pains when you play the yoots. I’m also seeing growing pains with thibs and hes no yoot.
Not trying to bash thibs but it’s definitely hard to support. This is why I said they only explanation is thibs is playing the political game. Or catering to his boss for some other reason beyond what fans hear. That’s the only explanation I can think of.
Yes thibs helped us make this game close so I can’t put everything on him. But he also had some opportunities to win and I thought (just like all the other close games we lost) was a winnable game. And typically we lose close games we should’ve won based on coaching execution and your leaders on the floor (Randle).
I can’t put my finger on it but I’m not liking this combination of Thibs, Randle, RJ. And maybe there’s more but something seems off. Even if we won I would have the same concerns. And I don’t see this getting fixed in the playoffs. The question is always the same every year. Is it better for youth development to make a real push for the playoffs with this current roster, plus a fee minor changes. Or stop the hybrid tanking and go full tank. Get a high pick and try it again. Gotta do something different.
I hope McBride finds his stroke. If we could get consistent scoring from IQ/McBride we would really move to that next level. Problem is if 2/3 of Brunson/Randle/RJ arent in the game and getting buckets its a total wildcard what we get.
KnickDanger wrote:100% Martin... and BigDaddy agree with the sink or swim also. Gotta keep fighting and late game execution is part of that. The loss hurt so bad because you wanted to see them win after that effort but the development is all that matters. Grimes confidence took a leap and we are watching it pop in front of our eyes. IQ's passing was legit. Dude was a floor general. Just keep fighting and working.martin wrote:I have to tell you guys, I have the exact opposite reaction. Literally 100% divergent and beyond that.I am not watching necessarily for win or loss. Died at end of game cause they didn't win but was over-ecstatic cause of the way the guys played.
This is actually development, what every fan has wanted to see forever and it seems to me that a majoriy of folks really don't appreciate or don't even want to recognize what is going on right before them.
Grimes nearly had a all star in waiting type of performance. IQ showed distribution but not shooting. Duece showed us what he could be if he finds a shot and decides he too can take ball to rim. Mitch is out there beasting on guys heads.
This is the meat of what is exciting about this team.
Get used to appreciating it for what it is instead of pretending the Knicks are a deep playoff team and then expecting win/loss based on that. Knicks just had their best player sit with injury, RJ do down in first minutes AND all the young kids play out of their minds.
And folks are angry or losing interest? It boggles my mind.
Change your perspective and watch for development/growth - it's wild and it's happening.
SergioNYK wrote:Not much else to say. The only way this could have been worse is if it happened at home on Christmas. It hurts and it sucks. It's the type of loss that makes you question as a fan it's worth investing so much time and energy. Cause right now it doesn't seem worth it.Yes.
I’m down for the occasional 4-14 and 1-9 from downtown McBride if he brings the fire from everywhere else in spite of the fact that he and Grimes bobbled rebounds with one another and other teammate repeatedly in the game. Bro’s were fighting and learning end game stuff.
Grimes can fuck up and sneak tank for the Knicks all he wants for the next 50 games IMO, it’ll get those mistakes out of the way this season cause he’s a learner.
ToddTT wrote:Wake up boys.
I’m officially over Rebecca by the way 
martin wrote:How’s this perspective: to beat the Knicks on their home court, it takes the Mavs and their superstar needing to have a cosmically gigantic performance without the Knicks having 2 of their best 3 players suit up and some of you’all mad? 😳😅
When we beat Warriors without Curry same group said it didn't count.
KnickDanger wrote:martin wrote:How’s this perspective: to beat the Knicks on their home court, it takes the Mavs and their superstar needing to have a cosmically gigantic performance without the Knicks having 2 of their best 3 players suit up and some of you’all mad? 😳😅When we beat Warriors without Curry same group said it didn't count.
To beat the Knicks, it takes Grimes and McBride literally handing Luka the ball in the waning seconds of the game, some wild 3’s, missed FTs in the last minutes, plus Brunson sitting and not wanting to embarrass Cuban too much, otherwise they stand no chance. 
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HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:Sambakick wrote:joec32033 wrote:
I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players shitting the bed on defense.
1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.
The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.
Can Grimes substitute himself out for Sims? Ultimately its Thibs decision to trust Grimes.
I was referring to the two different situations you reference.
The substitution is all Thibs.
When Grimes is doubled on the line he can call time out too, and it would probably come faster than of Thibs called it. I think they both share the blame on that one. The more I see Grimes in certain situations, while a real good defender and decent scorer, he is making some very bad decisions/having real bad mental lapses when he is facing pressure situations.I noticed that too but its too early in Grimes career for me to be concerned. Was a bench player last season without much responsibility. Now Grimes is a starter, more pressure. Going to take time to find out if its really an issue.
More concerned with Randle choking again. Has one game where he's clutch, and its treated like a national holiday.
Curious when you thought he choked? Sam broke down the last 41 really well on this thread.
Randle played well. He made a couple of good passes to open guys in last two minutes and they missed their shots. Including two close range ones by Hart.I noticed poor exterior defense in last couple of minutes. Our two lock down youngins showed it's hard to stop NBA guys from scoring. Deuce played the ball instead of the man on that three by Din. Dinwiddie hit two big three's on him in the last two minutes. Grimes was jumpy on defense with Luka taking full advantage. Grimes got a little flustered, yet again, in close games. Our two main PGs(IQ and Deuce) went 9-36. Biggest thing was that we had guys logging in crazy minutes due to injuries. It showed late in the game and OT. But you seem to have different glasses.
I saw a tough game. Good play by Randle and Grimes. Randle's non "national holiday game" had 29/19. He also moved the ball well yet again. Grimes got 33 and looked like a better fit than RJ. IQ played well with an amazing 15 assists and also looked like he made the offense flow better than JB. He just missed too many shots. Deuce got some good PT and dropped 14. Many in here wanted him to get the chance to play. MR had another strong game with 20. If Mavs get one less BS call, miss just one of those last minute shots or Deuce and Grimes get that last rebound instead of knocking it out to Luka, we win that game and NO ONE on here is bringing up why we lost the game.
Loss sucks but only thing we can do is take some positives from it. But yeah, we need a win bad. The last couple of last second losses have been a kick in the nuts.
The two missed free throws in crunch time. I'm sure you've played in games where someone on your team bricked a couple of free throws, and it took some of the air out of the team. Just enough for the other team to pounce. This happens a lot with Randle. As I've said before, if Randle was the third or fourth best player on the team, these lapses in crunch time, would be more understandable.If one were to look back at Randle's 2020 season, there's a good chance you'll find I was the first person to point out that this was a different player. I appreciate what he brings to the table, but he plays too an important role in the offense to have so many lapses in crunch time, which extends beyond that excellent recap by Sam.
I dont believe we can build a roster where Randle is a 3rd or 4th option. Because of the cap, and I dont believe the FO wants to gut the bench.
The season isnt over, anything can happen. Unless Randle starts being more of an asset than a liability in crunch time, I believe the FO should look to upgrade. We can go around in circles about who. Players ask to be traded, some are too expensive to keep, someone worth pursuing may become available. Have to wait and see, with Randle, and who is or will be available.
"Crunch time" was last minute of the game? You talking overtime when everyone was spent? He put Knicks in a position that OT should not have happened. But true, pros should not miss Foul shots. But if you want to ignore yet another good game in an impressive last 15 and blame him for the loss while pushing the same ole "let's trade him for someone that does not exist", I guess ok.
Don't think guys that feel he is not a good player will ever appreciate what he brings. Not gonna try. Think some probably will when he is gone and we have yet another victim many expect to be perfect to pick on. My take has always been that many criticize him for not being a number one ignoring what a true No 1 costs. Including giving up many many assets. That and that 20/10 should be useful to a team. I am all for upgrades. But you do know we need that at EVERY position. Don't see guys yelling trade those guys every chance they get Btw, Still yet to see a trade proposal where we get an upgrade for him?
My point earlier waa Randle missing fouls shots in OT was low on list of why we lost.
Crunch time is overtime, and keeping a game from going to overtime, which we could lose. Which we did.
As I just explained, I appreciated what Randle brang to the table since very early in his 2020 M.I.P season. Not when he was dribbling into 3 defenders, the season prior.
I appreciate what Randle does but the lack of clutch play isnt something that should be glossed over.
From last season
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Remember, NO ONE here ever said the Randle is an elite number one.
This only reinforces my argument that guys that hate Randle are the ones that expected him to be Luka for $23M despite basically being a guy that gets rebounds and bullies people down low at 20/10 rate. Unrealistic expectations have been a stable for disgruntled Knick fans for years.
Where the rinse repeat model gets it's wings.
Games often come down to a critical shot(s) in crunch time. Which is a small but crucial part of the game. Hence the name.
As far as never saying he was the number one option. Randle isnt the number two option either. You might see it, but I dont. Sure he plays that way for three quarters. But too often its going to come down to someone else to win the game. Your two best players should be able to do that.
As I said upthread. If we could add an all-star who can hit that clutch shot, without moving Randle, the FO should go for it. But I doubt we can do it without gutting the bench.