Knicks · Is Kyle Kuzma on the Knicks a game changer to win it all? (page 3)

gradyandrew wrote:

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martin wrote:Does anyone really see Kuzma as the type of player the Knicks FO would target? I don't

OMG- can you imagine the look on Thibs face the first time Kuz mentions fashion week?

Seems like decent teammate. I think Rodman was finishing piece on a few great teams

HOF and elected to top 75 list Dennis Rodman.
Then there is Kyle Kuzma. Are you for real?
Rodman skill set and contribution are even remotely similar to Kuzma.

For those looking at Ex Leon clients or CAA you’d be shocked to see how many players exist with that connection.
That does not mean they are Free agents, their team wants to trade them to us, or they fit. JB was a very specialized scenario.

Cmon Nalod, how many clients did Leon have, three, four tops?

Seriously, I agree that Leon wont be calling about every CAA client, but that doesnt mean he wont target some of them for a possible trade.

The reason I believe the Suns might be interested is their ability to compete going forward, with CP3 as starting PG. Suns are also one of the oldest teams in the league.

If they trade Booker, they will get back some foundational players. They have all their picks, so any additional picks could be packaged in a trade for another star. It would give the new owner a foundation young players, picks. and cap room.

To my point, Team will trade for him. Booker can ask out, but his contract is with suns, not CAA.
Ayton, Bridges, and Booker are not old.
Booker is their star. Gate attraction matters. Does new ownership rebuild?

The big question the new owner should be asking is how far can the Suns go with CP3, if he runs out of gas by the playoffs? Paul isnt getting any younger. Can the rest of the team overcome their HOF PG looking ordinary in the postseason? I dont believe so.

Jersey sales might prove me wrong, but I thought it was CP3 who was the big box office draw. Will they still fill the seats when he's gone?

I see a Suns team with diminishing returns in the playoffs, a new owner who probably wants to put their own stamp on the franchise. I'd get what I can for Paul, while I can. Trade Booker. That would give a new owner the resources to build a contender from the ground up, instead of being around for maybe the last ride of this one.

I dont see the Suns doing anything until the offseason.

Lets be real, CP3 is bonafide HOF and reputation is there but the real back bone FUTURE of the team is Booker, then Ayton and Bridges. That is not an old core but one hitting their prime.
One has to understand CP3 contract and how it was structured:

“ The Suns would only be on the hook for about half of Paul's $30.8 million hit should they cut him before the beginning of the 2023-24 season, as his deal would become fully guaranteed on 6/28/2023.

The last year of Paul's deal would see no guaranteed money attributed to Phoenix's cap if he's waived by 6/28/2024. After that date, the deal becomes fully guaranteed. ”

So after this season they essentially buy him out for 15mil and say buh bye. They could trade him before the deadline this year or just prior to the guarantee date. Perhaps they could mutually extend that date?

“Putting a stamp on the team, etc”, its reasonable conjecture but spending 4.5bil on a team then going into rebuild with a newly renovated building is not likely.
I’d think Ayton and Bridges (he is not a star) would be traded before Booker.

Just for discussion you think if PHX needs depth you do a Ayton for some combo of MRob trade with EF, Reddish, IQ, Toppin and perhaps Drose for a playoff run IF FO does not want to pay Ayton or believe in his upside from here. Knicks do it because they think he has another level to go. And pairing with our starters has an aggregate that is wonderful! Front line of RJ, Randle and Ayton is young and has room to grow. Add Brunson and Grimes and that MIGHT be compelling. I like MRob a lot, but his lack of offense is worrisome. If they want a kings ransom for Ayton im walking. If our FO does not have a strong conviction for him this is all moot.

Clearly im not suggesting all of those assets go out the door. Some combo and maybe a pick is in there EITHER WAY coming or going.

Im just spitballing here for discussion. I don’t know what PHX is thinking or what they plan on doing with CP3 after the season. I’d guess how far they go will color the decision. But I wanted to pass on that contract detail which clearly offers a way to PHX a path to clear themselves of him and not cripple the future.

It could just be a bad matchup for him but, I feel like every time Afton has gone head to hear with Mitchell, Robinson has dominated him.

We play PHX twice a year, and How many has MRob played in them?
Mrob defense and Rebounding is better than Ayton, but my opinion is we need an offensive upgrade full time at the C at some point to get to the next level. Either by draft or trade.
You saw what happended yesterday. Not blaming Mrob at all but he is what he is.
At this point on any given night JB, Barrett or Jules are dangerous. Mrob brings a lot to the defense and offensive rebounding. That our guys can go to the rim and he gets many offensive boards is huge.
I don't know what is ailing PHX or really care to lean in to that level of discussion on them. Not saying this is a trade we have to do now either. Mrob off the bench is a very expensive back up.
My hope is RJ continues to grow into a top 10 elite SF. Thats top 1/3rd of the league. OF 30 starters, be top 10 somewhere. That vague I admit. JUles is there at his position as is Brunson over the very recent run.
Knicks are playing good ball but im not ready to label them "a good team". Im having fun with this season!

We are far away from a Kyle Kuzma being the tipping player to push us to contention. If that was the case, and perhaps im not seeing it, then yes DO IT!!!

gonna revisit this based on price and fit.

Rumor mill says he's got zero interest in resigning there. Wash isnt in a position of strength. Would they trade us Kuzma for Obi/Cam straight up? (this works)

This would move RJ to the SG and Grimes to the bench which should really help us on both sides of the ball IMO

Biggest question might be does Thibs like him?

For the price you meantioned (Obi/Cam) this would be a no brainer.. you have to do it, even if you don't think you need to.
Kuzma and his fashion antics would pair well with Clyde's style for the eccentric. If nothing else it would be entertaining.

nyvector16 wrote:For the price you meantioned (Obi/Cam) this would be a no brainer.. you have to do it, even if you don't think you need to.
Kuzma and his fashion antics would pair well with Clyde's style for the eccentric. If nothing else it would be entertaining.

He's a big SF and gives you another guy who can get hot and have a big night. If Thibs can unlock another level or he simply thrives no reason he cant be another piece while we continue to draft and build the bottom of the roster

fishmike wrote:gonna revisit this based on price and fit.

Rumor mill says he's got zero interest in resigning there. Wash isnt in a position of strength. Would they trade us Kuzma for Obi/Cam straight up? (this works)

This would move RJ to the SG and Grimes to the bench which should really help us on both sides of the ball IMO

Biggest question might be does Thibs like him?

If we can get him for that package, it's a steal.
I didn't have a good appreciation for the player he is until the last two games he played against the Knicks. He's a baller

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:gonna revisit this based on price and fit.

Rumor mill says he's got zero interest in resigning there. Wash isnt in a position of strength. Would they trade us Kuzma for Obi/Cam straight up? (this works)

This would move RJ to the SG and Grimes to the bench which should really help us on both sides of the ball IMO

Biggest question might be does Thibs like him?

If we can get him for that package, it's a steal.
I didn't have a good appreciation for the player he is until the last two games he played against the Knicks. He's a baller

Didn’t Randle and Kuzma play together in LA? Anyone remember how that went? I think Kuzma was a starter and Randle was a bench player as a small ball center. LlA renounced Randle after the season allowing him to become a FA. Kuzma was all rookie first team

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:gonna revisit this based on price and fit.

Rumor mill says he's got zero interest in resigning there. Wash isnt in a position of strength. Would they trade us Kuzma for Obi/Cam straight up? (this works)

This would move RJ to the SG and Grimes to the bench which should really help us on both sides of the ball IMO

Biggest question might be does Thibs like him?

If we can get him for that package, it's a steal.
I didn't have a good appreciation for the player he is until the last two games he played against the Knicks. He's a baller

Didn’t Randle and Kuzma play together in LA? Anyone remember how that went? I think Kuzma was a starter and Randle was a bench player as a small ball center. LlA renounced Randle after the season allowing him to become a FA. Kuzma was all rookie first team

Wow... Easy to forget that Kuz and Randle are only in their late 20s. Seems like they've been around forever.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:gonna revisit this based on price and fit.

Rumor mill says he's got zero interest in resigning there. Wash isnt in a position of strength. Would they trade us Kuzma for Obi/Cam straight up? (this works)

This would move RJ to the SG and Grimes to the bench which should really help us on both sides of the ball IMO

Biggest question might be does Thibs like him?

If we can get him for that package, it's a steal.
I didn't have a good appreciation for the player he is until the last two games he played against the Knicks. He's a baller

Didn’t Randle and Kuzma play together in LA? Anyone remember how that went? I think Kuzma was a starter and Randle was a bench player as a small ball center. LlA renounced Randle after the season allowing him to become a FA. Kuzma was all rookie first team

Wow... Easy to forget that Kuz and Randle are only in their late 20s. Seems like they've been around forever.

The Lakers get so much television time it's hard to forget Randle or Kuzma 4 yr performance as a Laker ..
The two players are practically the same type of player, other than Randle's a better rebounder, and Kuzma a better scorer. The two players passing skill talents does lead to 3 or 4 turnovers a game.
And their Defense is not exciting.
I still see Randle's performance as the Knicks number one player that need to be traded in Feb.

Are you asking if getting Kuzma would help the Knicks win it all? If that's the question, No. Now would the Knicks be a better team if they make the trade you're suggesting? Yes. The only move that could make the Knicks title contenders this year would be if they had a time machine and could swap out the guys they picked for Mitchell, SGA, or Haliburton. If the Knicks want to be contenders in the near future, they need a big upgrade at SF. I don't know where they are going to get that guy unless they luck into it in the draft. Kuzma is a nice fit on the 2nd unit but he is another high usage player in the starting lineup that already features 3 of them. If he is on the floor you have to move RJ or Randle off.