Knicks · [Game Thread 1/20/23] Knicks @ Hawks 7:30PM (page 7)
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joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
We scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Atlanta scored 37points in the 4th Q. Everything was a problem in the 4th Q. Well coached teams stick with their identity and execute. We don’t do that. I can’t say if it’s a coaching problem or a player problem but I can say it’s a problem.
So 4th quarter execution is the problem. Their offense scored them 124 points. 4th quarter execution and defense was the problem.
Well that’s what I was saying in my head but I guess I don’t type right.
Said with a Texas drawl since I just came from a hoe down. Btw is it hoe down or ho down.
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Have to eat my crow for thinking about the FO trading Sims, early in the season.
Best case scenario for me is Sims playing like a starter for the rest of the season and making the playoffs.
Mitch might still be shaking off the rust going into the playoffs. If thats the case, I hope Sims is playing well enough to keep starting. Keep the chemistry going with the starting unit. Give Mitch a chance to get his legs back. Playoffs will be more intense.
Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
We scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Atlanta scored 37points in the 4th Q. Everything was a problem in the 4th Q. Well coached teams stick with their identity and execute. We don’t do that. I can’t say if it’s a coaching problem or a player problem but I can say it’s a problem.
So 4th quarter execution is the problem. Their offense scored them 124 points. 4th quarter execution and defense was the problem.
Well that’s what I was saying in my head but I guess I don’t type right.
Said with a Texas drawl since I just came from a hoe down. Btw is it hoe down or ho down.
Depends on the venue 
joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
Hawks played 0.0 defense first half and neither did we apparently for 4 quarters. No 124 points is not enough
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Click here to view the TweetHave to eat my crow for thinking about the FO trading Sims, early in the season.
Best case scenario for me is Sims playing like a starter for the rest of the season and making the playoffs.
Mitch might still be shaking off the rust going into the playoffs. If thats the case, I hope Sims is playing well enough to keep starting. Keep the chemistry going with the starting unit. Give Mitch a chance to get his legs back. Playoffs will be more intense.
Sims rookie season showed he was the perfect BACKUP for MitchRob throughout his rookie contract.
In the New (weak) NBA the Knicks 2022-23 roster is a 4th seeded team in the East, playing a 10 man (2 unit) rotation with 13 players throughout the 82 game season (Having all 10 players receive double-digit minutes of playing time a game).
The Knicks never should have waived veteran/experience Taj Gibson who presence was a great mentor to MitchRob, Toppin, and Sims NBA growth in the frontcourt.
MitchRob and backup Sims
Randle and backup Toppin/Hartenstein
Barrett and backup Reddish/Fournier
Grimes and backup 6th man Quickley
Brunson and backup D.Rose/McBride
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ll just checked the box score and that’s not a good indicator of how many players was on thibs rotation. It definitely says grimes was in foul trouble so that explains why more mins was open for deuce to consume who also had roughly 16 mins. Either way we have to find a way to win game if the plan is to make the playoffs. I hate that plan but what do I know. Right now if we don’t stop this skid, it’s going to snowball in the wrong direction.How the fuck else would you check to see who played how many minutes in a rotation for a particular game?
It’s a hall of fame level sentence, and not in a good way.
Again, that’s not a good indicator of how many players was in thibs rotation. Gotta do more than cuss sir, if you having a convo with me.
Clearly your not looking to have an adult convo, so why respond 🤷♂️
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Click here to view the TweetHave to eat my crow for thinking about the FO trading Sims, early in the season.
Best case scenario for me is Sims playing like a starter for the rest of the season and making the playoffs.
Mitch might still be shaking off the rust going into the playoffs. If thats the case, I hope Sims is playing well enough to keep starting. Keep the chemistry going with the starting unit. Give Mitch a chance to get his legs back. Playoffs will be more intense.
Sims rookie season showed he was the perfect BACKUP for MitchRob throughout his rookie contract.
In the New (weak) NBA the Knicks 2022-23 roster is a 4th seeded team in the East, playing a 10 man (2 unit) rotation with 13 players throughout the 82 game season (Having all 10 players receive double-digit minutes of playing time a game).
The Knicks never should have waived veteran/experience Taj Gibson who presence was a great mentor to MitchRob, Toppin, and Sims NBA growth in the frontcourt.
MitchRob and backup Sims
Randle and backup Toppin/Hartenstein
Barrett and backup Reddish/Fournier
Grimes and backup 6th man Quickley
Brunson and backup D.Rose/McBride
Did the FO mess up by not keeping taj? Or was taj looking to move on anyway? I rather have taj than this version of hart. Taj played better in thibs system, especially adding that 3 pt jumper from the corner.
blkexec wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ll just checked the box score and that’s not a good indicator of how many players was on thibs rotation. It definitely says grimes was in foul trouble so that explains why more mins was open for deuce to consume who also had roughly 16 mins. Either way we have to find a way to win game if the plan is to make the playoffs. I hate that plan but what do I know. Right now if we don’t stop this skid, it’s going to snowball in the wrong direction.How the fuck else would you check to see who played how many minutes in a rotation for a particular game?
It’s a hall of fame level sentence, and not in a good way.
Again, that’s not a good indicator of how many players was in thibs rotation. Gotta do more than cuss sir, if you having a convo with me.
Clearly your not looking to have an adult convo, so why respond 🤷♂️
What do you expect the way you set the level of conversation to the lowest possible level?
You are literally have zero respect for back and forth when you make stuff up on the fly.
It’s not tolerable tbh
Maybe your a better person IN PERSON, where you don’t have a key board to HIDE BEHIND. That’s called social media courage.
I don’t have time for your Verbal garbage. And I’m not going to sit back and allow it just because you run the site. I don’t care if your the president. I have more respect for myself. You can’t talk to me with that garbage or in that way. Period. Maybe the Knicks losing streak put you in a bad mood. That’s a YOU PROBLEM. Not me.
Again, I’m good…..not upset. I’m actually on a college tour with my son. But please go find some other clown to talk to and just don’t reply to my post. VERY SIMPLE. I haven’t cussed at you. I haven’t disrespected you. Showed you the upmost respect. And asking you as a man. Please leave me alone sir. There’s other people you can harass. If we ever meet in person, let’s continue your cussing discussion then. I rather have a cussing match in person. Online I like to be the opposite of a bully. Because it’s very easy to be an ass hole online. But that’s a weak move so I don’t stoop to your level.
With respect, please go away.
Have a nice day sir.
GO KNICKS
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ll just checked the box score and that’s not a good indicator of how many players was on thibs rotation. It definitely says grimes was in foul trouble so that explains why more mins was open for deuce to consume who also had roughly 16 mins. Either way we have to find a way to win game if the plan is to make the playoffs. I hate that plan but what do I know. Right now if we don’t stop this skid, it’s going to snowball in the wrong direction.How the fuck else would you check to see who played how many minutes in a rotation for a particular game?
It’s a hall of fame level sentence, and not in a good way.
Again, that’s not a good indicator of how many players was in thibs rotation. Gotta do more than cuss sir, if you having a convo with me.
Clearly your not looking to have an adult convo, so why respond 🤷♂️
What do you expect the way you set the level of conversation to the lowest possible level?
You are literally have zero respect for back and forth when you make stuff up on the fly.
It’s not tolerable tbh
Your entire reply is false and incorrect. You’ve been way off base for a while now. And the level of disrespect is more than I would tolerate. When you grow up and ready to have a conversation talk to me. Right now, just go away please.
Kemet wrote:GustavBahler wrote:ToddTT wrote:Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/11AWH/status/1616723122836611073?s=20&t=Hv4YoloyZ-80sQ3MY-WGPA
Click here to view the TweetHave to eat my crow for thinking about the FO trading Sims, early in the season.
Best case scenario for me is Sims playing like a starter for the rest of the season and making the playoffs.
Mitch might still be shaking off the rust going into the playoffs. If thats the case, I hope Sims is playing well enough to keep starting. Keep the chemistry going with the starting unit. Give Mitch a chance to get his legs back. Playoffs will be more intense.
Sims rookie season showed he was the perfect BACKUP for MitchRob throughout his rookie contract.
In the New (weak) NBA the Knicks 2022-23 roster is a 4th seeded team in the East, playing a 10 man (2 unit) rotation with 13 players throughout the 82 game season (Having all 10 players receive double-digit minutes of playing time a game).
The Knicks never should have waived veteran/experience Taj Gibson who presence was a great mentor to MitchRob, Toppin, and Sims NBA growth in the frontcourt.
MitchRob and backup Sims
Randle and backup Toppin/Hartenstein
Barrett and backup Reddish/Fournier
Grimes and backup 6th man Quickley
Brunson and backup D.Rose/McBride
As I wrote, Sims playing like a starter would be the best case scenario, NOT a prediction. Was sorry to see Taj go as well. Wouldnt mind the FO bringing him back. IDK about the 4th seed without a trade. Whatever rotation Thibs settles on.
Philc1 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
Hawks played 0.0 defense first half and neither did we apparently for 4 quarters. No 124 points is not enough
Top offensive team averages 120 PPG. They scored 124.
Knicks average 114 pts per game. Hawks average 116. The Knicka let them score 23 points above their average. The Hawks let the Knicks score 10 points above their average (Key point:Knicks scored ABOVE their average). Both teams played shitty defense. Knicks played worse.
joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
We scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Atlanta scored 37points in the 4th Q. Everything was a problem in the 4th Q. Well coached teams stick with their identity and execute. We don’t do that. I can’t say if it’s a coaching problem or a player problem but I can say it’s a problem.
So 4th quarter execution is the problem. Their offense scored them 124 points. 4th quarter execution and defense was the problem.
What’s the solution?
When I said this team is fragile, this is what I was talking about. Mitch goes down and all of a sudden we can’t play defense? Mitch was probably hiding our defensive issues that was there all along. Now the FO or coach is forced to find a backup solution. I like sims but worried if his height will be a problem since he’s what 6’9 ish and not very long. But his athleticism covers that up.
joec32033 wrote:Philc1 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
Hawks played 0.0 defense first half and neither did we apparently for 4 quarters. No 124 points is not enough
Top offensive team averages 120 PPG. They scored 124.
Knicks average 114 pts per game. Hawks average 116. The Knicka let them score 23 points above their average. The Hawks let the Knicks score 10 points above their average (Key point:Knicks scored ABOVE their average). Both teams played shitty defense. Knicks played worse.
Using some simple math - the Knicks average 28.5 points per Q (114/4=28.5). The Knicks scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Thus, they must have played below average offence in the 4th Q. See how that works? Letting the Hawks score 37 in the 4th Q would be below average defence. Thus I conclude the 4th Q overall is an issue
Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Philc1 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
Hawks played 0.0 defense first half and neither did we apparently for 4 quarters. No 124 points is not enough
Top offensive team averages 120 PPG. They scored 124.
Knicks average 114 pts per game. Hawks average 116. The Knicka let them score 23 points above their average. The Hawks let the Knicks score 10 points above their average (Key point:Knicks scored ABOVE their average). Both teams played shitty defense. Knicks played worse.
Using some simple math - the Knicks average 28.5 points per Q (114/4=28.5). The Knicks scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Thus, they must have played below average offence in the 4th Q. See how that works? Letting the Hawks score 37 in the 4th Q would be below average defence. Thus I conclude the 4th Q overall is an issue
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanc...
I was looking at some of the 4th quarter stats this season, and one thing that stuck out for me was how we were nowhere near the top in any category that I could find. In a good way.
You guys are better at dissecting advanced stats, but one thing that stuck out was our poor 4th quarter rebounding on offense and defense. Part of the problem might be a lack of rebounding, which means more scoring opportunities.
Edit: tried to find which were the top 4th quarter rebounding teams, could only find lineups which dont tell the whole story.
Heady play... or not aggressive enough?
It'll be great if foul trouble doesn't plague him over the next couple of months.
Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Philc1 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
Hawks played 0.0 defense first half and neither did we apparently for 4 quarters. No 124 points is not enough
Top offensive team averages 120 PPG. They scored 124.
Knicks average 114 pts per game. Hawks average 116. The Knicka let them score 23 points above their average. The Hawks let the Knicks score 10 points above their average (Key point:Knicks scored ABOVE their average). Both teams played shitty defense. Knicks played worse.
Using some simple math - the Knicks average 28.5 points per Q (114/4=28.5). The Knicks scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Thus, they must have played below average offence in the 4th Q. See how that works? Letting the Hawks score 37 in the 4th Q would be below average defence. Thus I conclude the 4th Q overall is an issue
Actually the Knicks average 26 points per 4th quarter. Atlanta averages 27. They don't equally average the same points across all quarter. So I ask, Do YOU see how that works?
https://swishanalytics.com/nba/nba-point...
The Knicks scored 3 below their average. Atlanta scored 37, 10 above theirs. It is defense in this case. This season they are finding new ways to try and lose, offense and defense. I don't know what you are being snippy about.
blkexec wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it the coach or is it the players? I’m just not seeing any kind of offensive philosophy or identity for the team to rely on. These kind of break downs are a real head scratcher. You would never see a Pop’s coached team fall apart like that but I don’t know if you can hang this on the coach either. We aren’t good at playing with pace and the speed of the game looked like it picked up in the 4th. Head scratcher. I don’t know what went wrong but this far into the season fingers need to be pointed, problems identified, changes made.Man, if the Giants lose today I’m going to be real salty. Losing to the Hawks and the Eagles is going to really suck
I'm just curious. Is 124 points not a good offensive showing? On 59% shooting and 43% from 3? With double assists to turnovers?
Doesn't sound like the offense was a problem in this one.
And you need to be honest with what this team is. It's success rests with positive defensive trends.
We scored 23 points in the 4th Q. Atlanta scored 37points in the 4th Q. Everything was a problem in the 4th Q. Well coached teams stick with their identity and execute. We don’t do that. I can’t say if it’s a coaching problem or a player problem but I can say it’s a problem.
So 4th quarter execution is the problem. Their offense scored them 124 points. 4th quarter execution and defense was the problem.
What’s the solution?
When I said this team is fragile, this is what I was talking about. Mitch goes down and all of a sudden we can’t play defense? Mitch was probably hiding our defensive issues that was there all along. Now the FO or coach is forced to find a backup solution. I like sims but worried if his height will be a problem since he’s what 6’9 ish and not very long. But his athleticism covers that up.
The team is fragile and seems there is a very fine line between failure and success. This team isn't built to outscore anyone and all their success is tied to defensive metrics. Strengthen your strength and try to minimize your weakness. Concentrate on getting some guys that can defend as well as score and don't only play one side of the ball. You upgrade the skill level of the bench the heavy starter minutes will take care of themself.
blkexec wrote:Sorry but I lost all respect for you. You can’t talk crazy to me. You can disagree until u turn blue, I don’t mind that. And don’t mind the back and forth convo. I LOVE A GOOD DEBATE. But if you feel like you can talk to me in a down grating fashion, using curse words towards me and any else you talk about. Then dude STOP REPLYING. Is it a sickness you have? I don’t surround myself with people like that. So please go away.Maybe your a better person IN PERSON, where you don’t have a key board to HIDE BEHIND. That’s called social media courage.
I don’t have time for your Verbal garbage. And I’m not going to sit back and allow it just because you run the site. I don’t care if your the president. I have more respect for myself. You can’t talk to me with that garbage or in that way. Period. Maybe the Knicks losing streak put you in a bad mood. That’s a YOU PROBLEM. Not me.
Again, I’m good…..not upset. I’m actually on a college tour with my son. But please go find some other clown to talk to and just don’t reply to my post. VERY SIMPLE. I haven’t cussed at you. I haven’t disrespected you. Showed you the upmost respect. And asking you as a man. Please leave me alone sir. There’s other people you can harass. If we ever meet in person, let’s continue your cussing discussion then. I rather have a cussing match in person. Online I like to be the opposite of a bully. Because it’s very easy to be an ass hole online. But that’s a weak move so I don’t stoop to your level.
With respect, please go away.
Have a nice day sir.
GO KNICKS
Then help me understand your response below. How are you adding to the conversation? Because I think you are diverting or not adding to a conversation or not even paying attention to what you are responding to or what is actually happening. I think it happens all the time.
blkexec wrote:martin wrote:The ref that calls this foul is directly behind Hart's back, so his vision is impaired for body contact.And the fact that they review this play and still uphold is just ludicrous. Like what the fuck is going on?
You can't take games seriously when Trae gets to land wherever he wants and then also takes 4 steps on the possession flagrant foul.
And then this. It's awful, NBA wanted the Knicks to lose. No 2 ways around it. This is one of the dumber things I've seen recently.
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Click here to view the TweetIt’s a bad call but it’s legal. You supposed to jump straight up. Hart jumped and was moving with hunter and made body contact. So when the refs look at their rule book, technically it’s the right call.
But for the love of 90s basketball, it’s rules like that, that’s killing the game. No way in hell should that be a foul. It’s usually a no call. But once again, if the call was a foul in real time, it’s almost impossible to have it reversed because of the technicalities of the touch foul rules. And guess what you see in slow motion? Touch fouls. Killing the game!
Should go back to more no call and jump ball, with plays like that.