Knicks · How Good Is OG Anunoby Really? (page 7)
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.
Right, the point was about fit and what could be better for the team. IMHO, RJ off bench makes sense, regardless of what his contract is.
I have not heard one thing that keeps RJ on the starting lineup that makes basketball sense to me.
And of course we are guessing?
BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.Out of curiosity I read a Raptors message board. Eye opening. Most are more than willing to let him go. He is viewed as a super glue guy, who needs to know his role. One poster pointed out the Raptors defensive analytics decreased only a very small amount when OG sat vs when he played. Not once were the Knicks mentioned. Most were focused on Phoenix, and a some guys coveted Mikeal Bridges in the deal (at which point noone though you could get him for OG.
I checked out some Raptors message boards too. I think the general sentiment was that they'd love to keep him if accepted a limited role. From his standpoint, he already accepted a contract that undervalued him and he wants to cash in on his next deal.
Pointing out the HUGE gap between what the Raptors fans see and what some people here see (someone here suggested that OG would automatically be our best or second best player if he is traded here.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo ogIsn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.
Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.
No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...
I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?
To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.
Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.
What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points
We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.
RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.
For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.
For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.
Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.
Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?
How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.
These things are all available for us to look at quite frankly. Right now RJ is a below average shooter. Below average defender. He is improving slowly. It'll take him some time to get to the point of consistently getting to an average offensive player in terms of eFG% or TS%.
RJ is closing in on finishing 4th year in league.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo ogIsn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.
Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.
No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...
I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?
To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.
Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.
What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points
We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.
RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.
For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.
For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.
Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.
Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?
How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.These things are all available for us to look at quite frankly. Right now RJ is a below average shooter. Below average defender. He is improving slowly. It'll take him some time to get to the point of consistently getting to an average offensive player in terms of eFG% or TS%.
RJ is closing in on finishing 4th year in league.
WE talked stats as being hacked to prove a point. If you extract his slow start, how does he look?
What about last few weeks? These are trends. he is inefficient high volume shooter. I get that. If knicks thought he never grows beyond then they don’t extend him or give him the time on the court as thy are.
We can all all guess about lots of things and I am not saying this is a guarantee he meets our lofty expectations.
This is what it is. An OG trade likely includes players in our rotation and such a trade has multiple year implications.
RJ or not, if we are to contend this team in that mode will look very different than what we got now. RJ is not the end all, but I dont’ have the cap on him that you might. Thats all.
Looking that game 5 video posted on the game thread from 1970 reminded us that Cazzie russell was a better player than Bill bradley but not a better fit. At some point we have to make those kinds of decisons and move forward. Does that mean RJ stays long term? I don’t know. He is 22 and not a finished product. Time will tell.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo ogIsn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.
Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.
No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...
I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?
To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.
Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.
What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points
We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.
RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.
For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.
For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.
Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.
Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?
How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.These things are all available for us to look at quite frankly. Right now RJ is a below average shooter. Below average defender. He is improving slowly. It'll take him some time to get to the point of consistently getting to an average offensive player in terms of eFG% or TS%.
RJ is closing in on finishing 4th year in league.
WE talked stats as being hacked to prove a point. If you extract his slow start, how does he look?
What about last few weeks? These are trends. he is inefficient high volume shooter. I get that. If knicks thought he never grows beyond then they don’t extend him or give him the time on the court as thy are.
We can all all guess about lots of things and I am not saying this is a guarantee he meets our lofty expectations.
This is what it is. An OG trade likely includes players in our rotation and such a trade has multiple year implications.
RJ or not, if we are to contend this team in that mode will look very different than what we got now. RJ is not the end all, but I dont’ have the cap on him that you might. Thats all.Looking that game 5 video posted on the game thread from 1970 reminded us that Cazzie russell was a better player than Bill bradley but not a better fit. At some point we have to make those kinds of decisons and move forward. Does that mean RJ stays long term? I don’t know. He is 22 and not a finished product. Time will tell.
I don't agree with the bolded.
You are kinda all over the place on everything else.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo ogIsn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.
Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.
No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...
I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?
To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.
Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.
What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points
We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.
RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.
For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.
For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.
Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.
Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?
How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.These things are all available for us to look at quite frankly. Right now RJ is a below average shooter. Below average defender. He is improving slowly. It'll take him some time to get to the point of consistently getting to an average offensive player in terms of eFG% or TS%.
RJ is closing in on finishing 4th year in league.
WE talked stats as being hacked to prove a point. If you extract his slow start, how does he look?
What about last few weeks? These are trends. he is inefficient high volume shooter. I get that. If knicks thought he never grows beyond then they don’t extend him or give him the time on the court as thy are.
We can all all guess about lots of things and I am not saying this is a guarantee he meets our lofty expectations.
This is what it is. An OG trade likely includes players in our rotation and such a trade has multiple year implications.
RJ or not, if we are to contend this team in that mode will look very different than what we got now. RJ is not the end all, but I dont’ have the cap on him that you might. Thats all.Looking that game 5 video posted on the game thread from 1970 reminded us that Cazzie russell was a better player than Bill bradley but not a better fit. At some point we have to make those kinds of decisons and move forward. Does that mean RJ stays long term? I don’t know. He is 22 and not a finished product. Time will tell.
I don't agree with the bolded.
You are kinda all over the place on everything else.
Im all over is true. Im really just presenting “It is what it is for now”. Not sure why you disagree with bolded. Why did knicks extend him?
The Cazzie thing? Look, if OG is traded here and it don’t work out, it takes time to figure shit out. Cazzie was traded after a few years in part because he wanted to get paid and was very angry about it. Bradley was just a better fit becaue of his skill set for THAT team. Im saying if OG was bought here and RJ not fitting……..Well there you go.
OG Anunoby showed significant promise over the course of his freshman season at Indiana, despite coming into college as a completely unheralded high school recruit. That culminated in a tremendous defensive performance in the NCAA Tournament Round of 32 against Kentucky, where he shut down future top-10 pick Jamal Murray and set the stage for what was expected to be a breakout sophomore campaign.Anunoby made significant progress this season, averaging a strong 18 points, 9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.1 steals and 2.1 blocks per-40 minutes, on an efficient 62% TS%, including strong performances in wins over eventual #1 NCAA Tournament seeds North Carolina and Kansas. An apparent ACL tear suffered in January forced him to have season-ending surgery, though, and Indiana, already in the midst of a difficult start to the Big Ten, went just 5-9 in his absence, missing the NCAA Tournament in the process.
Anunoby has an elite physical profile for a NBA combo forward, standing 68 in shoes, with a chiseled frame and a reported 76 wingspan that will easily allow him to play power forward or even spend time at the center position in smaller lineups. He moves like a wing, being light on his feet and capable of playing above the rim impressively in space, as he demonstrated with a number of powerful highlight-reel caliber finishes over the past two years.
Heres a closer look at the strengths Anunoby displayed throughout his time at Indiana:
Anunoby is best suited playing a compact role offensively, be it operating as a spot-up shooter, a straight line driver in dribble handoffs/attacking closeouts, or as a rim-runner in transition. He can also find some offense cutting off the ball (especially as a lob-target) or crashing the offensive glass, and is capable and willing to make the simple extra pass along the perimeter or into the low post within a set offense.
While he shows solid footwork and timing attacking an unbalanced defense in a straight line with his long strides and powerful frame, he is not someone you can expect to generate much offense on his own at this stage of his development. He is a crude ball-handler (especially with his left hand) who struggles to operate in isolation or pick and roll situations due to his high dribble that slows him down significantly off the bounce. He doesnt have any type of in-between game, almost never attempting a pull-up jumper, and isnt very comfortable finding the open man on the move, especially in traffic.
The biggest key to Anunobys ability to find an offensive role at the NBA level will be his jump-shot, which is somewhat of a question mark at this stage. Hes a career 36.5% 3-point shooter at the college level, and with time and space, the ball comes out of his hand nicely with solid rotation, giving plenty of room for optimism regarding his development in this area. With that said, the sample size is incredibly small, at just 74 total attempts in 50 games, and the fact that hes made just 52% of his free throws in college indicates that he has a long ways to go in this area.
Heres a closer look at the weaknesses Anunoby displayed throughout his time at Indiana:
Anunobys shooting mechanics leave something to be desired, as his jumper is somewhat stiff, with a slight, variable hop and fade that hurts his balance. He tends to guide the ball at times with his massive hands, shooting it with a rigid elbow, a low release and very little arc, struggling quite a bit to get it off when closely contested. Hes come a long ways in this area, but clearly has plenty of work to do still.
Defensively is where Anunoby has a chance to be an absolute difference maker at the NBA level. He has prototypical physical tools with his elite combination of size, length, strength and mobility, and demonstrated the ability to defend all five positions at the college level when he was dialed in and operating at maximum intensity. Indiana liked to put him on point guards, and hes extremely disruptive to an opposing teams offensive flow with his ability to sit down in a stance and keep smaller players in front with his excellent lateral quickness. Hes difficult for guards to shoot over with his gigantic reach, often blocking shots on the perimeter thanks to his excellent closeout speed, and also getting in the passing lanes at a terrific rate.
With that said, Anunoby doest always play with the same level of intensity on every possession, and scouts occasionally expressed a degree of frustration with his lack of toughness and general passivity. His lack of experience and just-average feel for the game showed up at times this season on both ends of the court, as he tends to lose his focus, and can be a bit slow reacting to whats happening on the floor. Thats to be excepted to a degree considering his extreme youth (hes younger than a number of freshmen projected to be drafted in the first round) and late-blooming trajectory, which means he still has plenty of upside to grow into down the road.
Should Anunoby elect to enter the draft, there will likely be strong interest throughout the first round pending the results of the medical evaluations of NBA team doctors, who will be asked to assess the likelihood of him making a full recovery and staying healthy long-term. NBA teams havent shied away from drafting injured players in the past, such as Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie and others, who didnt even slide all that much based on where they were projected to be picked prior to getting hurt. But the details will be important and Anunoby may ultimately still elect to return to Indiana, where he can make a full recovery and boost his stock by showing hes completely healthy next season. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/OG-Anunoby-93246/ ©DraftExpress
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Completely true.
The question is, how good would OG be alongside of Coach Thibs?
And I think/believe/feel; he'll absolutely flourish.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo ogIsn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.
Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.
No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...
I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?
To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.
Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.
What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points
We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.
RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.
For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.
For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.
Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.
Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?
How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.These things are all available for us to look at quite frankly. Right now RJ is a below average shooter. Below average defender. He is improving slowly. It'll take him some time to get to the point of consistently getting to an average offensive player in terms of eFG% or TS%.
RJ is closing in on finishing 4th year in league.
WE talked stats as being hacked to prove a point. If you extract his slow start, how does he look?
What about last few weeks? These are trends. he is inefficient high volume shooter. I get that. If knicks thought he never grows beyond then they don’t extend him or give him the time on the court as thy are.
We can all all guess about lots of things and I am not saying this is a guarantee he meets our lofty expectations.
This is what it is. An OG trade likely includes players in our rotation and such a trade has multiple year implications.
RJ or not, if we are to contend this team in that mode will look very different than what we got now. RJ is not the end all, but I dont’ have the cap on him that you might. Thats all.Looking that game 5 video posted on the game thread from 1970 reminded us that Cazzie russell was a better player than Bill bradley but not a better fit. At some point we have to make those kinds of decisons and move forward. Does that mean RJ stays long term? I don’t know. He is 22 and not a finished product. Time will tell.
Did you extract every slow start?
Question for me is whether this is a Barrett/Randle problem (eg the two don’t co-exist) or a Barrett problem - (eg he is just inefficient).
At some point we can check the 5 man lineups excluding each other and see what happens.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.Right, the point was about fit and what could be better for the team. IMHO, RJ off bench makes sense, regardless of what his contract is.
I have not heard one thing that keeps RJ on the starting lineup that makes basketball sense to me.
And of course we are guessing?
If you want to talk purely about fit, surrounding Randle and Brunson with OG, Grimes and Mitch in a starting lineup probably makes the most sense in terms of maximizing the 2 best players. I will say this though, Knicks have had one of the best starting 5s in the league this year when healthy. If you swap out Grimes with OG, it’s a bigger, more athletic, and similar shooting lineup. Barrett is a more dangerous player offensively than grimes. Grimes is a connector and is more seamless a fit but a weak defender can still be hidden on him somewhat. If Barrett starts, then it basically makes a team like Atlanta try to hide Trae young on Barrett for example. Barrett for all of his issues will exploit that matchup. All in all, if you replace grimes with OG the starting 5 is better, and the bench with grimes is better. And like this year, when Barrett isn’t on his game, he’s not playing much in the 4th quarter anyways and we have grimes and/or quickley.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.Right, the point was about fit and what could be better for the team. IMHO, RJ off bench makes sense, regardless of what his contract is.
I have not heard one thing that keeps RJ on the starting lineup that makes basketball sense to me.
And of course we are guessing?
If you want to talk purely about fit, surrounding Randle and Brunson with OG, Grimes and Mitch in a starting lineup probably makes the most sense in terms of maximizing the 2 best players. I will say this though, Knicks have had one of the best starting 5s in the league this year when healthy. If you swap out Grimes with OG, it’s a bigger, more athletic, and similar shooting lineup. Barrett is a more dangerous player offensively than grimes. Grimes is a connector and is more seamless a fit but a weak defender can still be hidden on him somewhat. If Barrett starts, then it basically makes a team like Atlanta try to hide Trae young on Barrett for example. Barrett for all of his issues will exploit that matchup. All in all, if you replace grimes with OG the starting 5 is better, and the bench with grimes is better. And like this year, when Barrett isn’t on his game, he’s not playing much in the 4th quarter anyways and we have grimes and/or quickley.
I don’t know what you mean by more dangerous. RJ is certainly more ISO centric, also a more confident offensive player and obviously a higher usage player.
There is a lot of danger in a player who has the distance shot potential with blow-by ability in Grimes. Just hasn’t put it all together yet with consistency.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.Right, the point was about fit and what could be better for the team. IMHO, RJ off bench makes sense, regardless of what his contract is.
I have not heard one thing that keeps RJ on the starting lineup that makes basketball sense to me.
And of course we are guessing?
If you want to talk purely about fit, surrounding Randle and Brunson with OG, Grimes and Mitch in a starting lineup probably makes the most sense in terms of maximizing the 2 best players. I will say this though, Knicks have had one of the best starting 5s in the league this year when healthy. If you swap out Grimes with OG, it’s a bigger, more athletic, and similar shooting lineup. Barrett is a more dangerous player offensively than grimes. Grimes is a connector and is more seamless a fit but a weak defender can still be hidden on him somewhat. If Barrett starts, then it basically makes a team like Atlanta try to hide Trae young on Barrett for example. Barrett for all of his issues will exploit that matchup. All in all, if you replace grimes with OG the starting 5 is better, and the bench with grimes is better. And like this year, when Barrett isn’t on his game, he’s not playing much in the 4th quarter anyways and we have grimes and/or quickley.
I don’t know what you mean by more dangerous. RJ is certainly more ISO centric, also a more confident offensive player and obviously a higher usage player.
There is a lot of danger in a player who has the distance shot potential with blow-by ability in Grimes. Just hasn’t put it all together yet with consistency.
I mean an ability to exploit a mismatch. It’s no knock on grimes. He’s 3, D and so much more. He’s a complete role player as far as what he’s capable of growing into. But he’s not a guy who can exploit mismatches.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.Right, the point was about fit and what could be better for the team. IMHO, RJ off bench makes sense, regardless of what his contract is.
I have not heard one thing that keeps RJ on the starting lineup that makes basketball sense to me.
And of course we are guessing?
If you want to talk purely about fit, surrounding Randle and Brunson with OG, Grimes and Mitch in a starting lineup probably makes the most sense in terms of maximizing the 2 best players. I will say this though, Knicks have had one of the best starting 5s in the league this year when healthy. If you swap out Grimes with OG, it’s a bigger, more athletic, and similar shooting lineup. Barrett is a more dangerous player offensively than grimes. Grimes is a connector and is more seamless a fit but a weak defender can still be hidden on him somewhat. If Barrett starts, then it basically makes a team like Atlanta try to hide Trae young on Barrett for example. Barrett for all of his issues will exploit that matchup. All in all, if you replace grimes with OG the starting 5 is better, and the bench with grimes is better. And like this year, when Barrett isn’t on his game, he’s not playing much in the 4th quarter anyways and we have grimes and/or quickley.
Barrett sat out one game in 4th, is that the trend or one time?
Barrett is alot of things and its all true. Iso centric, but not always. Clutch, but not always. Was a very good defender last year, but not this season? Seems he goes to the right far more this year (defense gives it).
To me doing more in the midrange. Long range shooting is improving thru the season.
When he playmakes, its effective.
His foul shooting is better this year and he gets to the line more.
His critics are valid.
His fans are valid.
Maybe he is experiencing a post contract stress time where the crushing responsibility weighs in?
His body is gaining “Man strength” and he lost a bit of teen quickness?
Randle seems to have changed his body to get a bit quicker. RJ is far from fat, but his mass is maturing.
Again, all things to ponder. On a bad night his detractors want him relegated to the bench?
If we are talking about OBI I doubt its for three picks only. Maybe EF has to be the salary but I can’t fathom no yoot are involved. While unlikely, it could be RJ.
I see the primary value of OG being the versatility it gives the team. If he’s at SF it allows Thibs to use RJ or Grimes or IQ at 2 depending on match-ups etc.
And until and unless Obi regrows his balls, OG might play some 4.
Two questions I have are (1) is he good in the clutch because we are in short supply there and (2) price
NYKMentality wrote:The question isn't, how good is OG.The question is, how good would OG be alongside of Coach Thibs?
And I think/believe/feel; he'll absolutely flourish.
I think the real question is how much you're willing to give up. IQ? RJ? Grimes? Two unprotected picks? Where do you hold the line?
BigDaddyG wrote:NYKMentality wrote:The question isn't, how good is OG.The question is, how good would OG be alongside of Coach Thibs?
And I think/believe/feel; he'll absolutely flourish.
I think the real question is how much you're willing to give up. IQ? RJ? Grimes? Two unprotected picks? Where do you hold the line?
Good question. We talk of adding but if not picks and EF, what is the price?
Fans have one view. 50 games in we talking about Lavine after he just extended?
Gorbert after Minny paid a ransom for him and KAT has all but 26 games?
If Raptors are serious they now have Suns, Pacers, NOla and Knicks as suiters. Pacers and knicks are in similar spot trying to move on up. Suns and Nola are in the contending conversation with a move.
BigDaddyG wrote:NYKMentality wrote:The question isn't, how good is OG.The question is, how good would OG be alongside of Coach Thibs?
And I think/believe/feel; he'll absolutely flourish.
I think the real question is how much you're willing to give up. IQ? RJ? Grimes? Two unprotected picks? Where do you hold the line?
I would trade Randle before RJ, but it doesnt look like that's going to happen. I have more faith in RJ figuring things out. I knew RJ wouldnt take a benching well. Take him out of the starting lineup, you might as well trade him.