djsunyc wrote:hart + quickly + toppin + reddish for og + birch + flynnno picks involved.
for raptors: masai isn't a multiple pick acquisition type of guy - if he's trading talent, he's expecting some in return. and the non knicks picks have too much protection to matter. raptors are very thin and this replenishes their bench with young players that can play. very similar to the rudy gay deal back in 2013.
for knicks: keep their picks for other deals. og can play 1-5 defensively (so he can actually spell hartenstein at the backup 5 for some minutes) and with robinson, could possibly propel you to a top 5 defense which is needed in the playoffs. you are really a win now team for the most part. birch can play some spot backup 5 duty.
toppin is really an afterthought on your team. reddish to make the $$'s work. the rotational loss would be quickley but og trumps that by a pretty wide margin. flynn is a backup pg you get for cheap next season too to see if he can work out for you.
taking feelings and hometown bias out of it - i think that's a fair trade for both teams. it helps your post season roster and gives you a real solid starting 5 that can cover up brunson and randle's subpar defense. your bench will now have rj to become a microwave so his offense becomes more impactful. raptors need an infusion of rotational guys b/c we are top heavy and playing guys 38+ mins a night. probably have the worst bench in the league the past 2 seasons.
Nope, Knicks won’t even consider it. They love IQ that much.
martin wrote:
i can answer this - even though it's a elementary school level question.
on a macro level, we've overachieved the past few years b/c masai has drafted or signed guys that exceeded their draft slot. the entire team (outside of barnes) is late 1sts, 2nd rounders or undrafted players. gary + precious + barnes + og are all 24 and younger. but barnes + precious are just starting out their development curve. basically all homeruns by masai compared to where these guys were drafted. winning these years w/ all these late picks and stuff was actually pretty amazing when you think about it.
what changed? masai has not done a good job with the draft since 2019 or signings b/c he hasn't turned those late picks or undrafted signings into gold. it's really tough to continue turning those guys into high rotational producers. they haven't been good which means our depth suffered. those picks the past few years should round out the roster with rotational guys but they haven't developed into that. plus we can't make up those whiffs with mle signings b/c 1st and 2nd tier free agents don't want to go to toronto. AND the team is trying to avoid the luxury tax.
last deadline, everyone thought porzingis to toronto was done but dallas changed their mind at the last minute - that was our center. this summer, indiana asked brogdon if he wanted to go to toronto or boston as they had deals lined up with both - he picked boston. so that's a huge depth piece. so things just didn't happen - but it's not for a lack of trying. the weaknesses were identified but haven't been able to close the deal.
so we are top heavy, playing our guys 38+ mins a night w/ the worst bench in the league last year and this year and no "true" center. combine that with a much improved league (so much parity) then those close wins become losses. (we are 2-10 i believe in games decided by 3 points or less) - that's the difference between 6th in the lotto and possibly 6th in the east. if we go 10-2 there, then we're buyers this deadline.
so there's been losses and now we have guys coming up for big contracts who are still young and want their money and their stats. all that can stay quiet when you're winning but when you're not, then sh t bubbles up to the surface.
i have no clue what direction masai is gonna go with this team. gut says re-tool as i don't think he'll go scorched earth. but i wouldn't be surprised if he waited till the summer to make moves either and go strategic tank the rest of the way like he did in tampa.
martin wrote:Nope, Knicks won’t even consider it. They love IQ that much.
that's fine but that's also a bit ridiculous from the knicks POV. this is a clear upgrade, at a position of need and required for the playoffs. while 6th man is important, it's not more important than a starter that can guard the other team's best players, switch onto anybody and hit the 3. og is young too.
to tell you the truth, i don't even know if masai will trade him unless he asked out or told him he's not going to re-sign. this could all be klutch noise to drive up the price. he's still under contract for another season. masai loves og too but he's also going to listen to offers - that's why the price is so high.
next week will be interesting.
djsunyc wrote:martin wrote:
i can answer this - even though it's a elementary school level question.
on a macro level, we've overachieved the past few years b/c masai has drafted or signed guys that exceeded their draft slot. the entire team (outside of barnes) is late 1sts, 2nd rounders or undrafted players. gary + precious + barnes + og are all 24 and younger. but barnes + precious are just starting out their development curve. basically all homeruns by masai compared to where these guys were drafted. winning these years w/ all these late picks and stuff was actually pretty amazing when you think about it.
what changed? masai has not done a good job with the draft since 2019 or signings b/c he hasn't turned those late picks or undrafted signings into gold. it's really tough to continue turning those guys into high rotational producers. they haven't been good which means our depth suffered. those picks the past few years should round out the roster with rotational guys but they haven't developed into that. plus we can't make up those whiffs with mle signings b/c 1st and 2nd tier free agents don't want to go to toronto. AND the team is trying to avoid the luxury tax.
last deadline, everyone thought porzingis to toronto was done but dallas changed their mind at the last minute - that was our center. this summer, indiana asked brogdon if he wanted to go to toronto or boston as they had deals lined up with both - he picked boston. so that's a huge depth piece. so things just didn't happen - but it's not for a lack of trying. the weaknesses were identified but haven't been able to close the deal.
so we are top heavy, playing our guys 38+ mins a night w/ the worst bench in the league last year and this year and no "true" center. combine that with a much improved league (so much parity) then those close wins become losses. (we are 2-10 i believe in games decided by 3 points or less) - that's the difference between 6th in the lotto and possibly 6th in the east. if we go 10-2 there, then we're buyers this deadline.
so there's been losses and now we have guys coming up for big contracts who are still young and want their money and their stats. all that can stay quiet when you're winning but when you're not, then sh t bubbles up to the surface.
i have no clue what direction masai is gonna go with this team. gut says re-tool as i don't think he'll go scorched earth. but i wouldn't be surprised if he waited till the summer to make moves either and go strategic tank the rest of the way like he did in tampa.
Where did you go to elementary school?
It comes down to whether they believe in Thibs or not. If they do, the Front office has to get players that fit Thibs style of play. OG fits the team very well.
Rumor in today's Post.
O.G. Anunoby is traded to the Memphis Grizzlies for Dillon Brooks, Ziaire Williams, and three first-round draft choices
If any team gives up this much, it may ruin them for some time. Imo
HofstraBBall wrote:Rumor in today's Post.
O.G. Anunoby is traded to the Memphis Grizzlies for Dillon Brooks, Ziaire Williams, and three first-round draft choicesIf any team gives up this much, it may ruin them for some time. Imo
Depends on whether the picks have protections. Dillon Brooks might be addition by subtraction. I know Zaire has shown flashes, but the Grizz are in win now mode.
OG doesn't make sense unless you swap him for RJ.
Having Randle, Brunson, RJ and OG on the same team doesn't work.
HofstraBBall wrote:Rumor in today's Post.
O.G. Anunoby is traded to the Memphis Grizzlies for Dillon Brooks, Ziaire Williams, and three first-round draft choicesIf any team gives up this much, it may ruin them for some time. Imo
This is the one trade that make sense to me player-wise, not sure about the picks but we shall see how that turns out.
Adams, JJJ, OG, Bane, Morant. That's SOLID
SergioNYK wrote:OG doesn't make sense unless you swap him for RJ.Having Randle, Brunson, RJ and OG on the same team doesn't work.
Not unless we are playing chess and consider them tradable assets. Maybe consolidating assets makes sense in the off-season or the draft
Wow that would be a haul, 3 picks and player
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...The Toronto Raptors kept OG Anunoby at the trade deadline despite considerable interest. ESPN's Bobby Marks said approximately half the league submitted offers to the Raptors for Anunoby.
Zach Lowe detailed the interest in Anunoby from the Memphis Grizzlies and Indiana Pacers.
"For instance, I've heard Memphis offered three first round picks for Anunoby," said Lowe on his podcast. "But Toronto made it clear to these teams like 'we want a player too.' I don't think that sort of player was on the table at least from their view at least in Memphis.
"Indiana, I heard offered three first round picks and the Rockets' second round pick, which I believe they own in this upcoming draft. Which is almost like another first round pick.
"But again, the player chip wasn't there for Toronto and they moved to fight another day."
Man, really good wing players are in high demand. Mikal for 3+ picks too:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/trad...After the Nets agreed to acquire Mikal Bridges in the Durant blockbuster, Bridges drew considerable trade interest from rival clubs, Zach Lowe stated on his Lowe Post podcast (hat tip to RealGM). “I know of one team – and I’ve confirmed this – I know of one team who offered four first-round picks for Mikal Bridges,” Lowe said. “Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”
^^ 4 is a lot
Personally i think Nets are taking a huge gamble by having kept Mikal. He was clearly valued yesterday
i don't know what his offense will look like without CP3. Who knows maybe it blossoms but i suspect the opposite. CP3 spreads the floor very effectively because he can and will pass to anyone. Not feeling that with Simmons or anyone else on Nets roster
martin wrote:Man, really good wing players are in high demand. Mikal for 3+ picks too:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/trad...After the Nets agreed to acquire Mikal Bridges in the Durant blockbuster, Bridges drew considerable trade interest from rival clubs, Zach Lowe stated on his Lowe Post podcast (hat tip to RealGM). “I know of one team – and I’ve confirmed this – I know of one team who offered four first-round picks for Mikal Bridges,” Lowe said. “Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”
Imagine what RJ must be worth? LOL
At his age?
All the questions we have about him are answered in time!!!!!
The Market for OG is nuts. He is good, but not Kawahi Good.
What or who puts us over the top?
1. chemistry. Good coaching, a schematic that works (Like the triangle back in the day) adn the right personal to execute (Larry's pistons).
2. RJ becomes the alpha of this group and ascends beyond Randle and Brunson. Not a prediction mind you, just a statement.
3. Mega trade for a star and it all falls in to place (see no. 1)
4. Hit pay dirt in draft (a donovan Mitchell, SGA type pick).
I can't tell how it happens. But we can't see it don't mean it can't happen. Have to keep an open mind. I remind myself KP never got us there, and neither might RJ.
Brunson happened though and Randle is a legit all star caliber player in a very good contract.
Gordan Haywood still is in CLT! LOL
martin wrote:Man, really good wing players are in high demand. Mikal for 3+ picks too:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/trad...After the Nets agreed to acquire Mikal Bridges in the Durant blockbuster, Bridges drew considerable trade interest from rival clubs, Zach Lowe stated on his Lowe Post podcast (hat tip to RealGM). “I know of one team – and I’ve confirmed this – I know of one team who offered four first-round picks for Mikal Bridges,” Lowe said. “Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”
Mikal is one of my favorite players in the league but he is not worth three first round picks! GM's these days are insane!
But if I'm the Nets, Mikal is someone I keep. He's the perfect guy to have in terms of style of play, character, durability, intangibles. Suns are really going to miss him and perimeter defense will be their demise in the playoffs.
Well said dude and I honestly couldn't have said it better myself.
NYKMentality wrote:I think it makes 0 sense to take 1 step back (getting rid of an IQ/Grimes) just in order to take 1 step forward (getting OG).The whole purpose is to trade away draft picks in order to improve the roster, not by weakening the roster in order to (then) add a player.
Imo that's the definition of treadmilling...
In all seriousness?
Now looking back?
I find it hilarious how the Toronto Raptors are 26-30 (10th seed) and despite overrating the trade value of their players we've done (VanFleet, Siakam, Trent and OG) their Front Office was unsuccessful at moving any of them (and now stuck with the same losing roster they started with pre trade deadline).
Honestly I would rather move RJ & Obi to the Nets for Bridges and resign IQ and let him and Grimes continue to get better.
Word is the nets were offered 4 first rounders for him. not sure the knicks and nets would deal, but that would be a good trade for both teams. Bridges fits, spaces defends and would be a great addition here.
MS wrote:Honestly I would rather move RJ & Obi to the Nets for Bridges and resign IQ and let him and Grimes continue to get better.Word is the nets were offered 4 first rounders for him. not sure the knicks and nets would deal, but that would be a good trade for both teams. Bridges fits, spaces defends and would be a great addition here.
haha everyone in the Knicks universe is signing up for that except RJ and Obi
djsunyc wrote:martin wrote:Nope, Knicks won’t even consider it. They love IQ that much.
that's fine but that's also a bit ridiculous from the knicks POV. this is a clear upgrade, at a position of need and required for the playoffs. while 6th man is important, it's not more important than a starter that can guard the other team's best players, switch onto anybody and hit the 3. og is young too.
to tell you the truth, i don't even know if masai will trade him unless he asked out or told him he's not going to re-sign. this could all be klutch noise to drive up the price. he's still under contract for another season. masai loves og too but he's also going to listen to offers - that's why the price is so high.
next week will be interesting.
Was he ever on the market? Looks like they were only willing to deal him if they got blown away with an offer. He is the exact player we need (Outside of a superstar wing). If they are committed to Thibs than a player like OG makes a ton of sense. With Hart here now I'd be willing to move RJ for OG. He is a far better fit for the roster. Start Hart and OG on the wing. Grimes comes off the bench. The team gets much better. Try to find some more scoring with the mid-level and draft picks.
martin wrote:Man, really good wing players are in high demand. Mikal for 3+ picks too:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/trad...After the Nets agreed to acquire Mikal Bridges in the Durant blockbuster, Bridges drew considerable trade interest from rival clubs, Zach Lowe stated on his Lowe Post podcast (hat tip to RealGM). “I know of one team – and I’ve confirmed this – I know of one team who offered four first-round picks for Mikal Bridges,” Lowe said. “Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”
You can never have enough 3 and D wings. Get a PG that can collapse the defense, get some 3 and D wings, and you're in every game. With Brunson they finally got a guy that can get to the basket. The biggest issue is our wings can't shoot. Grimes was supposed to be an elite shooter, he hasn't been so far. RJ is a walking brick. He looks so mechanical when shooting.
I have more confidence in this front office than previous regimes. I believe they know how to build a team, and will eventually get it right. Unlike the last group that thought Frank was a prototypical PG. I still can't believe they watched Frank play and thought to themselves, "Yeah, this guy is the modern games Point Guard".
martin wrote:Wow that would be a haul, 3 picks and playerhttps://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...The Toronto Raptors kept OG Anunoby at the trade deadline despite considerable interest. ESPN's Bobby Marks said approximately half the league submitted offers to the Raptors for Anunoby.
Zach Lowe detailed the interest in Anunoby from the Memphis Grizzlies and Indiana Pacers.
"For instance, I've heard Memphis offered three first round picks for Anunoby," said Lowe on his podcast. "But Toronto made it clear to these teams like 'we want a player too.' I don't think that sort of player was on the table at least from their view at least in Memphis.
"Indiana, I heard offered three first round picks and the Rockets' second round pick, which I believe they own in this upcoming draft. Which is almost like another first round pick.
"But again, the player chip wasn't there for Toronto and they moved to fight another day."
Wow....remember when the Knicks were the "rumoured" team to have offered 3 draft picksnfor OG and were laughed at? Is it ok now?
