Knicks · R.J. Barrett vs. Kobe Bryant (1st 4 Years of NBA Play). (page 6)

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:JoeC.

Exactly.

There's no way I'm going to trade away our most promising and youngest player on our entire team in R.J. Barrett @ the age of only 22 years old; because I personally believe by the time he's 26 years of age he'll already have developed into a Perennial All-Star.

He's in his 4th NBA year but yet still younger than several incoming Rookies; his talents + potential are both through the roof.

Agree with this.
However, need to see consistent improvement for this to take place.
Or else he will be one of the many NBA players with tremendous potential yet underachieved.
Biggest thing for me is working on his passing and all around bball IQ.
Kid so far is just a scorer. Which get him to sixth man status.

I agree with what you're saying but he's also an awesome rebounder for a SG and also tremendous on ball Defense too.

except his defense has not been good, he's not an awesome rebounder and he plays SF. But yeah... 6th man is about right from what he has SHOWN. You are spot on there.

He's playing SF but @ 6'6 he's a natural SG and for 6'6 he is an awesome rebounder.

And @ only 22 years of age you're calling him a "6th man"?

Yeah. Okay.

Because you can't name me not even 10 NBA Players All-Time before the age of 23 with as many Points, Rebounds and Assists (combined) as R.J. Barrett.

1.) ____
2.) ____
3.) ____
4.) ____
5.) ____
6.) ____
7.) ____
8.) ____
9.) ____
10.) ____

Good luck (because I know you won't be able to fill in the blanks).

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:JoeC.

Exactly.

There's no way I'm going to trade away our most promising and youngest player on our entire team in R.J. Barrett @ the age of only 22 years old; because I personally believe by the time he's 26 years of age he'll already have developed into a Perennial All-Star.

He's in his 4th NBA year but yet still younger than several incoming Rookies; his talents + potential are both through the roof.

Agree with this.
However, need to see consistent improvement for this to take place.
Or else he will be one of the many NBA players with tremendous potential yet underachieved.
Biggest thing for me is working on his passing and all around bball IQ.
Kid so far is just a scorer. Which get him to sixth man status.

I agree with what you're saying but he's also an awesome rebounder for a SG and also tremendous on ball Defense too.

except his defense has not been good, he's not an awesome rebounder and he plays SF. But yeah... 6th man is about right from what he has SHOWN. You are spot on there.

He's playing SF but @ 6'6 he's a natural SG and for 6'6 he is an awesome rebounder.

And @ only 22 years of age you're calling him a "6th man"?

Yeah. Okay.

Because you can't name me not even 10 NBA Players All-Time before the age of 23 with as many Points, Rebounds and Assists (combined) as R.J. Barrett.

1.) ____
2.) ____
3.) ____
4.) ____
5.) ____
6.) ____
7.) ____
8.) ____
9.) ____
10.) ____

Good luck (because I know you won't be able to fill in the blanks).

Dude... NOBODY can fill your blanks. Maybe just do us a favor and fill your scripts?

Why can't you name 10 NBA Players All-Time before the age of 23 with as many combined Points, Rebounds and Assists?

Is it because it doesn't fit your narrative/agenda of "6th man"?

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:JoeC.

Exactly.

There's no way I'm going to trade away our most promising and youngest player on our entire team in R.J. Barrett @ the age of only 22 years old; because I personally believe by the time he's 26 years of age he'll already have developed into a Perennial All-Star.

He's in his 4th NBA year but yet still younger than several incoming Rookies; his talents + potential are both through the roof.

Agree with this.
However, need to see consistent improvement for this to take place.
Or else he will be one of the many NBA players with tremendous potential yet underachieved.
Biggest thing for me is working on his passing and all around bball IQ.
Kid so far is just a scorer. Which get him to sixth man status.

I agree with what you're saying but he's also an awesome rebounder for a SG and also tremendous on ball Defense too.

except his defense has not been good, he's not an awesome rebounder and he plays SF. But yeah... 6th man is about right from what he has SHOWN. You are spot on there.

He's playing SF but @ 6'6 he's a natural SG and for 6'6 he is an awesome rebounder.

And @ only 22 years of age you're calling him a "6th man"?

Yeah. Okay.

Because you can't name me not even 10 NBA Players All-Time before the age of 23 with as many Points, Rebounds and Assists (combined) as R.J. Barrett.

1.) ____
2.) ____
3.) ____
4.) ____
5.) ____
6.) ____
7.) ____
8.) ____
9.) ____
10.) ____

Good luck (because I know you won't be able to fill in the blanks).

Dude... NOBODY can fill your blanks. Maybe just do us a favor and fill your scripts?

Why can't you name 10 NBA Players All-Time before the age of 23 with as many combined Points, Rebounds and Assists?

Is it because it doesn't fit your narrative/agenda of "6th man"?

Phucking genius

Kobe did not get his first and only rape charge until he was 24.

NYMentality, your baiting the faithful into this. I agree RJ critics will point out the negative. Last night he made a few bad passes. But not always appreciated was his playmaking, or the pass that lead to the assist. Thats the one that shifts the defense. The quick second pass is the highlight but I thought last night against the heat, whom I consider about the best coached defensive team the knicks held on and beat a team that is very good at close games because of defense and Herro can shoot the hell out of the ball.

Back on topic, if you bait the faithful with over exuberant fluff your looking at some pushback. Its like you keep prodding and turning it up to enact a response.

Nalod wrote:Kobe did not start until his 3rd year. Played 15 min a game avg rookie, 26min as a soph also off the bench.

I just don't think it's fair to R.J. Barrett (himself) for that to be used against R.J. Barrett (within any shape or form) because R.J. receiving 30 minutes per game as a Rookie (55 starts) and 35 minutes as a Sophomore (72 starts) imo is a testament to A.) How NBA ready R.J. Barrett truly was coming out of Duke and B.) The overall confidence/belief that Coach Thibs (of all coaches) truly had in R.J. Barrett.

So for fans to use Kobe Bryant not starting until his 3rd year as some type of knock against R.J. Barrett? I'm not buying it.

And if we're to use years 3-4 in comparison? Kobe has the better FG% but their Points, Rebounds, Assists and Turnovers are dang near identical.

@ the end of the day I used Kobe as an example to just show off how awesome of an NBA start R.J. Barrett is to his extremely young NBA Career because yes, what he's been doing is actually pretty damn rare in regards to Points/Rebounds/Assists + Perimeter Defense before he's even completed his 4th year just yet @ only 22 years old.

Panos wrote:I'm just watching yesterday's game now.
Barrett's first three touches:
1. wide open airball from 3
2. terrible pass intercepted by defender
3. airball from 5 feet from the basket
WTF? SMH

He needs to address why he starts games slow and seasons slow. Because he was very impactful this game, hence the reason he finished the game which is only going to happen when he’s playing well from now on. Too much competition as only 2 of Barrett, Hart, Grimes and IQ can finish and it seems like Hart will more often than not.

Panos wrote:I'm just watching yesterday's game now.
Barrett's first three touches:
1. wide open airball from 3
2. terrible pass intercepted by defender
3. airball from 5 feet from the basket
WTF? SMH

Touch #5 rejected.
Touch #7 rejected.
Just brutal.

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:I'm just watching yesterday's game now.
Barrett's first three touches:
1. wide open airball from 3
2. terrible pass intercepted by defender
3. airball from 5 feet from the basket
WTF? SMH

Touch #5 rejected.
Touch #7 rejected.
Just brutal.

But yet was still able to stay mentally focused and came out of halftime re-focused before finishing the game with a monster 2nd half (especially 4th Q) by going 5/8 from the field (.625%) along with 17 big time 2nd half points.

And I give the kid (young man) credit for that.

PS:

That was RJ's 249th Career Game.

You know who else had a stinker shooting performance during only his 249th career game?

Kobe Bryant.

Barrett Game # 249 = 20 Points off 6/15 from the field (.400%), +/- of +6 and a WIN.

Kobe's Game #249 = 22 Points off 8/20 from the field (.400%), +/- of +7 and a WIN.

Panos wrote:Check out Barrett with the ball with 8:40 left in the 4th quarter with Obi ALL ALONE under the basket jumping up and down and Barrett asleep at the wheel. Then Barrett drives into 3 defenders and finally dumps the ball to Obi for a corner 3 which he misses.

I watched the play again. RJ should have see him cutting but once he did the play was dead. Did you see Kessler in the paint? The window closed fast and when it was almost too late, Kessler was in the passing lane.
Not saying it was for sure a no play, but the pile on for Barrett is getting silly around here.

Guys miss passes. 4th quarter Barrett wide open and JB nevers looks.
Randle on break usually takes it himself. But he misses guys in the lane.

While Barrett needs to tigten up some shots. He finishes the game well. The dive for the ball and time out?
The corner three that basically sealed the deal.
Some of you are focusing on the media feeds and eating it up. RJ is not a finished or polished player.
Fans have to have someone to chew on?

As for him supposedly dominating in the fourth quarter, he has 1 3pt and a few layups. Not dominating anyone.

He got outshone by Talen Horton Tucker. Not an imposing name. And not because THT had 3 more points than him. But because THT put his stamp on the game, made things happen, and RJ DID NOT.

Nalod wrote:I watched the play again. RJ should have see him cutting but once he did the play was dead. Did you see Kessler in the paint? The window closed fast and when it was almost too late, Kessler was in the passing lane.
Not saying it was for sure a no play, but the pile on for Barrett is getting silly around here.

Guys miss passes. 4th quarter Barrett wide open and JB nevers looks.
Randle on break usually takes it himself. But he misses guys in the lane.

While Barrett needs to tighten up some shots. He finishes the game well. The dive for the ball and time out?
The corner three that basically sealed the deal.
Some of you are focusing on the media feeds and eating it up. RJ is not a finished or polished player.
Fans have to have someone to chew on?

Well said man.

Fans (not just here) but on Twitter and probably everywhere else seem to forget R.J. Barrett is already ranked 42nd in Points Per Game and @ only 22 years of age? That's insane potential.

Because only Jalen Green @ 20 ( 21.8) and Anthony Edwards @ 21 (24.6) score more than R.J. Barrett despite being younger.

Yes.

R.J. Barrett is the 3rd youngest (highest) scorer within the entire NBA.

And you know what's scary? Once he improves his overall efficiency shooting he's easily a 25+ PPG scorer by the age of 24-26 etc.

I created a thread last year when our Fan Base wouldn't leave a 27 year old Julius Randle the freak alone and titled it "leave Julius Randle ALONE!!!"

I made that thread for a real reason. And now look. Career Year. 2x All-Star. #7 in MVP voting. Just 1 year later too.

I won't do the same for R.J. Barrett. I realized it's useless but it gives me satisfaction knowing that the same one's who killed Julius Randle are the same one's probably harping all over a 22 year old kid player R.J. Barrett and I already know they won't have the courage to bump up my Julius Randle thread (as they'll do my R.J. Barrett one). And I take personal satisfaction in just knowing it.

Don't worry.

He's only 22.

NYKMentality wrote:

Fans (not just here) but on Twitter and probably everywhere else seem to forget R.J. Barrett is already ranked 42nd in Points Per Game and @ only 22 years of age? That's insane potential.

Yeah? Where is he ranked on FG% or eFG% and Assists or Assists to T/O ratio?

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Fans (not just here) but on Twitter and probably everywhere else seem to forget R.J. Barrett is already ranked 42nd in Points Per Game and @ only 22 years of age? That's insane potential.

Yeah? Where is he ranked on FG% or eFG% and Assists or Assists to T/O ratio?

To be quite truthful? I really couldn't care less and you know why? Because I believe in R.J. Barrett and as a fan I appreciate what he's already been able to do in this league (before the age of even 23).

And I'm not on here to pile on some of my favorite Knicks talents.

Just know 1 thing.

You remember a 27 year old Julius Randle's FG% and Julius Randle's eFG% last year? While fans were harping all over him in comparison to fans such as myself who believed in him and also had his back?

Just know R.J. Barrett this year has a much better FG% than Randle did last year @ .430% (RJ) vs. .411% (Julius) and also a much better eFG% this year than Randle did last year too @ .486% (RJ) vs. .459% (Julius).

So if you're expecting me to watch 22 year old kids (young developing men) with a magnifying glass and/or microscope in order to nit pick their every "advanced statistic" despite being 4 years away (26) from entering their prime years? You're barking up the wrong tree. Because I'm not the one (who enjoys watching basketball like that).

PS: 4th year Kobe's Turnover Percentage = 11.8% off of a 26.8% Usage Rate vs. 4th year Barrett's Turnover Percentage = 10.7% off of a 26.0% Usage Rate.

So please stop talking to me about this kids "Turnovers" when I know enough about basketball to know this kid has yet to even scratch his NBA surface just yet.

🤝.

Panos wrote:NY Mentality: who cares about stats except when*I* post them with check marks and X's and they seem to say what i want them to say.
Otherwise, just trust me.

He's shooting .450% (FG%) throughout his previous 34 Games and .374% from 3 throughout his previous 34 Games.

Sure looks like a Shooting Guard to me.

I noticed how within another thread you mentioned and complimented how Immanuel Quickley has been coming around lately (after IQs slow start). Well, just know throughout the previous 34 Games, RJ from 3 is shooting better than IQ from 3 and dang near identical from the field (FG%).

NYKMentality wrote:
PS: 4th year Kobe's Turnover Percentage = 11.8% off of a 26.8% Usage Rate vs. 4th year Barrett's Turnover Percentage = 10.7% off of a 26.0% Usage Rate.

That's cool. Isn't there another stat you want to throw in there tho?

Ira wrote:Good thread. RJ does deserve more patience from us New Yorkers.

And we should achieve that by making unrealistic comparisons to HOFers?