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+/- of +26 (GAME HIGH)✅❌Cam Reddish❌
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+/- of -27 (game low)❌Josh Hart made Cam Reddish look absolutely, horrendous (once in the same court as one another).
New York Knicks = 11-3 overall @ .785% since trading away Cam Reddish (8 games above .500).
Trailblazers = 4-10 overall @ only .285% since losing Josh Hart (6 games below .500).
New York absolutely FLEECED Portland
Blazers got a first rounder and a lottery ticket for a role player they clearly had no intention of resigning.
That's decent value.
But yeah, I get it. A mutually advantageous trade is a dirty word to the "fleece" fans.
I covered this already.
New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with)?New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
Dude, you can actually reply to me if you're gonna effectively reply to me. It's fine. This topic is this topic.
Lottery ticket is Reddish. Figured that was clear by the syntax.
And everything you describe is what makes it a mutually beneficial trade. You're so laser-focused on 'winning' the trade, you're making assumptions about what I'm saying. I have NO issues giving up the pick for Hart. Awesome trade!
I am not arguing the Knicks gave us something hugely valuable to THEM to Portland. But Portland doesn't have as deep a roster as the Knicks, or as many picks as the Knicks, which is what makes the pick more valuable to the them than it is to the Knicks.
One more time - it's the identifying of assets and finding an exchange that maximizes value to the different parties involved that's the WHOLE point.
A MLB team deep in pitching but short of OF depth trades a pitcher to a team with OF depth but short in pitching.
Win-win.
Portland got a pick the position of which the Knicks have turned into Quickley and Grimes the last few years for a player they didn't plan on retaining AND who the hell knows what in Reddish. Good trade for them.
Knicks got Hart. Great trade them.
Win-win...
...which is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with)?New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
The real concern is the Knicks overpay like crazy to keep Hart next summer after he opts out. We made a mistake giving rose a 3 year deal 2 years ago because he had a nice 2 months for us
Philc1 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with)?New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
The real concern is the Knicks overpay like crazy to keep Hart next summer after he opts out. We made a mistake giving rose a 3 year deal 2 years ago because he had a nice 2 months for us
Was it a mistake given the facts at the time and his level of play? After his injury in January of last year he has not been the same. Has his contract been a detriment to this season? Is Thibs playing him over the yoot?
No.
Hart is 27 years old. Its logical that his agent told knicks before the trade what his price would be to extend him.
If team reaches 5th seed and extends to second round the revenue alone makes it a good ROI alone if they have to over pay to some extend.
To get stupid and cheap after trading a 1st round pick would be bad.
Knickoftime wrote:NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with).Lottery ticket is Reddish.New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket";
from NY etcThat must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
Yeah. Sorry. That part really confused me.
Cam Reddish?
Now being considered as a "lottery ticket"?
I'll have to question, why?
Did Atlanta Hawks consider him as a "lottery ticket"? Because I remember Atlanta wasting a Top 10 Draft pick on Cam Reddish (2019) and ended up quitting on him aka trading him away to New York.
Did Tom Thibs consider him a "lottery ticket" @ 9-11 overall (2 games below .500) before NY started to win once Tom Thibs quit on him while eliminating him from NYs rotation with 33 DNP's in a row?
And does Portland consider him as a "lottery ticket"? Because A.) Before losing Josh Hart the Portland Trailblazers were in the Playoff Hunt @ 26-26 overall (during games Josh Hart played in) but now ever since losing Josh Hart for CAM REDDISH the Trailblazers are B.) Now a tank team (3rd worst Western Conference Record @ 31-38 overall and the 6th worst team within the entire NBA) due to going 4-10 since playing Cam Reddish (.285%) and C.) Does Chauncey Billups consider Cam Reddish a "lottery ticket" after (ALREADY) completely REMOVING Cam Reddish from his starting 5?
So my apologies for not understanding what you were trying to say
Because verbage such as "lottery ticket" is strong usage of vocabulary because there's nothing "lottery ticket" about Cam Reddish and Atlanta/New York/Portland are 3 examples of it. Heck even @ Duke he was a 3rd option behind both Zion and then R.J. (should've never been drafted in the lottery to begin with).
If Cam Reddish is a "lottery ticket" the Knicks must currently feature 9+ other "lottery tickets".
No.
Cam Reddish is no "lottery ticket".
I’d say Portland gave up a nice player in Hart but in their situation did well with Thybulle, the pick and Reddish.
Maybe “Lottery ticket” is Reddish contributes to losing more than winning? Portland I assume has its pick still.
Reddish at the 10th pick out of college was a reasonable risk pick. ATL went upside. Like we did with Knox. Many teams besides knicks make picks that don’t work out. It happens.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with)?New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
The real concern is the Knicks overpay like crazy to keep Hart next summer after he opts out. We made a mistake giving rose a 3 year deal 2 years ago because he had a nice 2 months for us
Was it a mistake given the facts at the time and his level of play? After his injury in January of last year he has not been the same. Has his contract been a detriment to this season? Is Thibs playing him over the yoot?
No.
Hart is 27 years old. Its logical that his agent told knicks before the trade what his price would be to extend him.
If team reaches 5th seed and extends to second round the revenue alone makes it a good ROI alone if they have to over pay to some extend.To get stupid and cheap after trading a 1st round pick would be bad.
Yes, giving rose a 3 year deal was a mistake. If it wasn’t we make the playoffs last season
Philc1 wrote:Yes, giving rose a 3 year deal was a mistake. If it wasnt we make the playoffs last season
What the heck does "Derrick Rose" who's aging, injury plagued and on the verge of near retirement.
Have to do with JOSH HART who's an A++ role player and who's only scratching his NBA PRIME Surface @ 27 years of age?
Please.
Remind me on why you're talking about D-Rose in a Josh Hart thread?
NYKMentality wrote:Philc1 wrote:Yes, giving rose a 3 year deal was a mistake. If it wasnt we make the playoffs last seasonWhat the heck does "Derrick Rose" who's aging, injury plagued and on the verge of near retirement.
Have to do with JOSH HART who's an A++ role player and who's only scratching his NBA PRIME Surface @ 27 years of age?
Please.
Remind me on why you're talking about D-Rose in a Josh Hart thread?
Because Hart is going to want a huge contract this summer. One even bigger than the goof-up contract we gave to Rose. We have other priorities like resigning IQ after next season
Philc1 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Philc1 wrote:Yes, giving rose a 3 year deal was a mistake. If it wasnt we make the playoffs last seasonWhat the heck does "Derrick Rose" who's aging, injury plagued and on the verge of near retirement.
Have to do with JOSH HART who's an A++ role player and who's only scratching his NBA PRIME Surface @ 27 years of age?
Please.
Remind me on why you're talking about D-Rose in a Josh Hart thread?
Because Hart is going to want a huge contract this summer. One even bigger than the goof-up contract we gave to Rose. We have other priorities like resigning IQ after next season
If you are going to complain about a player's contract, at least get the terms of that contract correct.
That's your first goof-up.
And then explain to us how you already know what Hart is going to want and what leverage he has to get that type of contract.
Philc1 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Because Hart is going to want a huge contract this summer. One even bigger than the goof-up contract we gave to Rose. We have other priorities like resigning IQ after next seasonPhilc1 wrote:Yes, giving rose a 3 year deal was a mistake. If it wasnt we make the playoffs last seasonWhat the heck does "Derrick Rose" who's aging, injury plagued and on the verge of near retirement.Have to do with JOSH HART who's an A++ role player and who's only scratching his NBA PRIME Surface @ 27 years of age?
Please.
Remind me on why you're talking about D-Rose in a Josh Hart thread?
What are you talking about?
So just because D-Rose didn't work out, no other awesome Knicks like Josh Hart shouldn't be paid because of it?
Makes no sense.
And get your facts straight before NY can (and will) easily sign Immanuel Quickley.
It's called bird rights.
That's what happens when you have 2 Star players on 2 of the best NBA Contracts in the league @ PG/PF (Jalen Brunson/Julius Randle).
NY is in awesome future position moving forward with A++ draft capital but yet you'll pretend we aren't?
PS:
Josh Hart has absolutely nothingness to do with Derrick Rose.
NYKMentality wrote:Knickoftime wrote:NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with).Lottery ticket is Reddish.New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket";
from NY etcThat must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
Yeah. Sorry. That part really confused me.
Cam Reddish?
Now being considered as a "lottery ticket"?
I'll have to question, why?
Np.
He is on an expiring contract and sitting on NY's bench for the latter 2/3rd's of the season.
Portland NEEDED to take him to make the salary work (in order to get the draft pick), but they didn't release him or stick him at the end of the bench.
They've played him and even started him.
They look the approach 'hey, what the hell, let's see what we have.'
Some Portland fans have even been cautiously optimistic it's SOMETHING.
But his track record, plus/minus and Portland's record since the trade offers a counter argument.
But they have been seeing what they have and its not inconceivable they bring him back on a reasonable deal.
Hence, lottery ticket. Could be worthless (might be), could be $2, could have been a nice price if he played/plays well.
But the point is it was the first rounder ... AND a guy that as opposed to a 30-something veteran salary filler, was a early-20's former lottery pick that was sitting on a bench getting no PT and some people (including the Knicks a year ago) think may still have potential.
But again, you're SO INTENT of characterizing the trade as a "fleece," you're mischaracterizing his place in the deal.
Portland traded for the pick. Period. That's the point of the trade for them.
Reddish is expiring like Hart. They didn't primarily trade for Reddish. Anything they get outta Reddish short or long-terms is extra and highly volatile.
You need to get off the premise Portland swapped Josh Hart for Cam Reddish because they thought they were getting the better player in Cam Reddish for the stretch run.
They thought they were getting a first round draft pick for an guy playing his last 25 games as a trailblazer.
Philc1 wrote:NYKMentality wrote:And who cares about a Super Protected Knicks 1st rounder that was sent to Portland for an A++ Role Player? Because it's a 1st rounder that NY clearly had no intention of utilizing (to begin with)?New York still has another 6 1st Round Picks throughout the next 3 years.
And what "lottery ticket" are we referring to here?
Knicks pick = Portland currently @ 23rd overall.
Dallas pick = New York currently @ 16th overall.
Washington pick = New York currently @ 9th overall but they're currently in the Playoffs which means it could convey.
So If Portland is looking @ a "lottery ticket" from NY etc
That must mean NY is currently looking @ not only 1 but 2 lottery tickets from DAL/WAS.
The real concern is the Knicks overpay like crazy to keep Hart next summer after he opts out. We made a mistake giving rose a 3 year deal 2 years ago because he had a nice 2 months for us
Believe there were other factors in Rose paying. You are making it seem as though both Hart and Rose were unknowns prior to their "two months" of good play. Hart has always been known as a high energy defensive player. Which with Thibs, is more valuable than a player like Rose. Hopefully there was an understanding in place and both sides are reasonable. Hart is exactly the type of glue player the Knicks need. As we have seen since his arrival.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.
Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.
What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
Performance security
Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
Performance security
What is that
martin wrote:Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
Performance security
What is that
The opposite of performance anxiety?
Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Josh Hart.
Knickoftime wrote:martin wrote:Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
Performance security
What is that
The opposite of performance anxiety?
Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Josh Hart. I’m
Is Josh Hart our blue pill? Or our red pill?
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Josh Hart has an opt out. he is set to make 13.5mil. He has leverage.
Its possible he opts in and the decision gets pushed out. Aller has a sharp pencil and it laid out that waiting might yield better contract.
Many scenarios to ponder we don't know about. To make assumptions might be a bit prelature.What do you think his leverage is besides going to one of a couple really bad teams that would have cap space?
Genrically teams can open up cap space via trade so its a matter of the Wiz losing him for nothing if he opts out or walks in another season IF THEY WANTED HIM BACK. He seems to be getting on very well with them and with a center like Gaffords. This is where Lakers trade AD and replace him with KP and win a chip with Lebron and make us all look stupid? LOL.