Brunson/IQ
Grimes/jHart
Barrett/
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/iHart
Out of rotation.
Fournier 18.8mm
Rose 15.6mm
McBride
Keels
Sims
Without looking past the playoffs, I think its enjoyable to look to the offseason to see what can happen.
1) I think you have to turn down the DRose option and hopefully re-sign him at a veteran rate.
2) I think you have to look to move Fournier. He becomes an expiring contract (4th year is a team option). So, he probably sticks until at least the trade deadline.
3) Top priority has to be re-signing jHart. He has a 12.9mm player option. I'd probably give him a contract co-terminous with Brunson at about 13mm per year.
4) IQ. He has a team option at 4.2mm, but I am probably looking to extend him in the 14mm per range. Not sure exactly how to price his next contract.
5) Other than that, I am pretty much ready to add the Dallas pick with a SF or PF and run it back.
6) I'd be open to a reunion with Burks on a $5mm to $8mm signing. At this point, I think Burks is probably the best mentor for Barrett I can think of. I think Barrett needs a vet breathing down his neck to get him to tighten up his game. That hole behind Barrett looks better with Burks there. My only issue I ever had with Burks was that I didn't like him as the starting PG.
7) I'd explore moving Barrett, Toppin, anyone out of the rotation and picks if it meant upgrading to an elite 3&D. I'd test the market on Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jaylen Brown, OG Anunoby and Jaren Jackson, Jr. Not desperate though.
What do you guys think?
Enjoying the moment (these type of seasons don't happen often) to even think about the offseason. But bringing back Hart and signing IQ long term should be priorities.
I think IQ is gonna cost 4/$100 at least. $15mm per is a pipe dream no offense. Its very possible he's a year away from Jordan Poole money
I would also look hard at Ingram with RJ/Obi type package. Otherwise I am great with drafting the BPA, let Rose go, find a home for Fournier and basically run it back with the same crew.
Hart can decline his $12mm option for a new 4 year $60mm. I would love to play 8 guys and look like this:
Brunson/Grimes/Ingram/Jules/Mitch
bench: IQ/Hart/Hart
Those would be my 8 guys. Build up the pipeline
We've been talking about next years off-season ever since before this years Offseason and then discussed it some more @ the trade deadline.
I'm burnt out on next years Off-season my guy.
I've got a Miami team and an 8 game winning streak to focus on.
And I've got absolutely no clue on how Leon Rose with the help of Coach Thibs will utilize their 6 1st round picks throughout only the next 3 years together.
+
Rokas Jokubaitis who's doing what Luka Doncic once did and just won himself the EuroLeague RISING STAR 🏆 and that's despite being only 22 years old. Our PG Kid overseas has already made a name for himself and he's doing it within the toughest basketball league in the 🌎 outside of only the NBA. His team just won the their 2022 Spanish league CUP (FC Barcelona). It's not easy to play for FC Barcelona.
It’s basically our starting 5 plus IQ and Hart are keepers. Deuce has a really nice role as a “break in case of emergency “ point of attack defender, and Sims is a nice 3rd string center. Hartenstein probably remains. Toppin is the big question mark. Knicks have Jokubaitis and The Dallas pick as potential incoming rookies. Fournier and Rose are probably gone. It could be as simple as replacing them with the 2 rookies and running it back if the right trade doesn’t materialize. It’s hard to predict an upgrade. Embiid to me is the pie in the sky. Barrett, Toppin and a ton of picks doesn’t get it done. Towns and LeVine are more likely but I question how much better either would make us. Bridges or Anunoby in place of Barrett are moves (while unlikely) would raise the floor but maybe not the ceiling. This offseason is going to be really interesting.
EwingsGlass wrote:Brunson/IQ
Grimes/jHart
Barrett/
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/iHartOut of rotation.
Fournier 18.8mm
Rose 15.6mm
McBride
Keels
Sims
Without looking past the playoffs, I think its enjoyable to look to the offseason to see what can happen.
1) I think you have to turn down the DRose option and hopefully re-sign him at a veteran rate.
2) I think you have to look to move Fournier. He becomes an expiring contract (4th year is a team option). So, he probably sticks until at least the trade deadline.
3) Top priority has to be re-signing jHart. He has a 12.9mm player option. I'd probably give him a contract co-terminous with Brunson at about 13mm per year.
4) IQ. He has a team option at 4.2mm, but I am probably looking to extend him in the 14mm per range. Not sure exactly how to price his next contract.
5) Other than that, I am pretty much ready to add the Dallas pick with a SF or PF and run it back.
6) I'd be open to a reunion with Burks on a $5mm to $8mm signing. At this point, I think Burks is probably the best mentor for Barrett I can think of. I think Barrett needs a vet breathing down his neck to get him to tighten up his game. That hole behind Barrett looks better with Burks there. My only issue I ever had with Burks was that I didn't like him as the starting PG.
7) I'd explore moving Barrett, Toppin, anyone out of the rotation and picks if it meant upgrading to an elite 3&D. I'd test the market on Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jaylen Brown, OG Anunoby and Jaren Jackson, Jr. Not desperate though.
What do you guys think?
Good takes!
1. Drose might have more to do with is Adidas contract and were he wants to live than money. stands to reason he is done or is a low cost bench player.
2. Fornier is great contract as part of trade. Good player in the right system not on crazy money but he is mostly salary cap fodder in a bigger deal. What that is? Who knows. Knicks are prime to make a deal. NY post now using that today1
3. Jhart should get a Thibs Tatoo and sign long term for about 12 mil for 3 or 4 years if that will make him happy. He is a role player, a very good one and likly has hit his ceiling. I might be low on his value but he is a guy that is getting bounced around and his value/salary is really hard to peg. Winning in NY with his friends and other Buddy Bridges over the river in BKN makes for good times.
4. IQ mania of late has fans clamoring to love him and never let him go? Kind of kid we let our daughters date? LOL.
Im in the camp of 15m more or less for 4 years. If he can get more, we get right of refusal. Im keeping on open mind on draft picks and a future were other players will be knicks. Thus, is valuable on the court or as a trade chip.
5. BPA…………..Mostly I agree though.
6. If we run it back mostly as is Burks gets no playing time. Jhart is here, Grimes is here, IQ is here. I don’t see him other than out of rotation insurance if Drose is gone. There are others too that can play this role.
7. Barrett is disappointing but he is not the only one we send to rim that lowers his shooting %. Him being “the man” on the second unit looks awkward. Reminds me of when IQ was asked to play make. He is a bit of an enigma at the moment. This could change. It usually does. By that, we find out what was happening AFTER the season. The over dribbling, the lack of downhill plays for him all have a different look right now. His minutes are down, his 3pt shots are down. He seems better to rim and is getting to the line a lot. His defense is off, his running looks off, and he has “Spinovers” are up. This tells me MAYBE he is being coached to add more to his game and its not instinctive. He could be traded, or in two years he is our best player at age 24. I don’t see OG with Jhart. JHart is like a version of OG in a way.
Obi, Where is the interior Obi of his rookie year and College player of the year. He looks skinnier/wirey, and is either dunking in transition or hoisting up the long ball. His handle is supsect and shot is not smooth when creating. He physically looks like Kuzma but is not polished. If he is to reach his potential its not behind a 28 year old all star in his prime (randle). Can we draft a player for his role? Receive a player in a bigge deal?
8. Mitch-Ihart-Simms- I love Mitch as do most. I do question if we can win a chip with his FT liability at games end (lately we are blowing out teams! LOL) and not have offensive options. I have no answer here. IHart is a great back up and his range and passing are very good for the position. Still young, not a prime time guy but he is getting it done. Sims? Who does not like “Jerri”!!!!!! He is like “Nice Ben Wallace”! We have him another year under contract and his value is based on his market value. By that, are teams asking for him in trade? Will he get paid 10mil a year as a back up, do we have to choose between one of him or Ihart? I have no idea what happens here.
If we play milwaukee I run him on Giannis for at least 10 min and tire him out in the 3rd or early 4th quarter.
Lots of games to enjoy and homefully we go deep into May with some playoffs.
Agree with all your moves. Mikal Bridges really wouldnt be a bad look its just looking at fees.
TPercy wrote:Agree with all your moves. Mikal Bridges really wouldnt be a bad look its just looking at fees.
I would love bridges but can confidently say NJ Nets won’t trade him here.
fishmike wrote:I think IQ is gonna cost 4/$100 at least. $15mm per is a pipe dream no offense. Its very possible he's a year away from Jordan Poole moneyI would also look hard at Ingram with RJ/Obi type package. Otherwise I am great with drafting the BPA, let Rose go, find a home for Fournier and basically run it back with the same crew.
Hart can decline his $12mm option for a new 4 year $60mm. I would love to play 8 guys and look like this:
Brunson/Grimes/Ingram/Jules/Mitch
bench: IQ/Hart/Hart
Those would be my 8 guys. Build up the pipeline
4 years 25mm is Brunson type money. You crazy.
Nalod wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Brunson/IQ
Grimes/jHart
Barrett/
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/iHartOut of rotation.
Fournier 18.8mm
Rose 15.6mm
McBride
Keels
Sims
Without looking past the playoffs, I think its enjoyable to look to the offseason to see what can happen.
1) I think you have to turn down the DRose option and hopefully re-sign him at a veteran rate.
2) I think you have to look to move Fournier. He becomes an expiring contract (4th year is a team option). So, he probably sticks until at least the trade deadline.
3) Top priority has to be re-signing jHart. He has a 12.9mm player option. I'd probably give him a contract co-terminous with Brunson at about 13mm per year.
4) IQ. He has a team option at 4.2mm, but I am probably looking to extend him in the 14mm per range. Not sure exactly how to price his next contract.
5) Other than that, I am pretty much ready to add the Dallas pick with a SF or PF and run it back.
6) I'd be open to a reunion with Burks on a $5mm to $8mm signing. At this point, I think Burks is probably the best mentor for Barrett I can think of. I think Barrett needs a vet breathing down his neck to get him to tighten up his game. That hole behind Barrett looks better with Burks there. My only issue I ever had with Burks was that I didn't like him as the starting PG.
7) I'd explore moving Barrett, Toppin, anyone out of the rotation and picks if it meant upgrading to an elite 3&D. I'd test the market on Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jaylen Brown, OG Anunoby and Jaren Jackson, Jr. Not desperate though.
What do you guys think?
Good takes!
1. Drose might have more to do with is Adidas contract and were he wants to live than money. stands to reason he is done or is a low cost bench player.
2. Fornier is great contract as part of trade. Good player in the right system not on crazy money but he is mostly salary cap fodder in a bigger deal. What that is? Who knows. Knicks are prime to make a deal. NY post now using that today1
3. Jhart should get a Thibs Tatoo and sign long term for about 12 mil for 3 or 4 years if that will make him happy. He is a role player, a very good one and likly has hit his ceiling. I might be low on his value but he is a guy that is getting bounced around and his value/salary is really hard to peg. Winning in NY with his friends and other Buddy Bridges over the river in BKN makes for good times.
4. IQ mania of late has fans clamoring to love him and never let him go? Kind of kid we let our daughters date? LOL.
Im in the camp of 15m more or less for 4 years. If he can get more, we get right of refusal. Im keeping on open mind on draft picks and a future were other players will be knicks. Thus, is valuable on the court or as a trade chip.
5. BPA…………..Mostly I agree though.
6. If we run it back mostly as is Burks gets no playing time. Jhart is here, Grimes is here, IQ is here. I don’t see him other than out of rotation insurance if Drose is gone. There are others too that can play this role.
7. Barrett is disappointing but he is not the only one we send to rim that lowers his shooting %. Him being “the man” on the second unit looks awkward. Reminds me of when IQ was asked to play make. He is a bit of an enigma at the moment. This could change. It usually does. By that, we find out what was happening AFTER the season. The over dribbling, the lack of downhill plays for him all have a different look right now. His minutes are down, his 3pt shots are down. He seems better to rim and is getting to the line a lot. His defense is off, his running looks off, and he has “Spinovers” are up. This tells me MAYBE he is being coached to add more to his game and its not instinctive. He could be traded, or in two years he is our best player at age 24. I don’t see OG with Jhart. JHart is like a version of OG in a way.
Obi, Where is the interior Obi of his rookie year and College player of the year. He looks skinnier/wirey, and is either dunking in transition or hoisting up the long ball. His handle is supsect and shot is not smooth when creating. He physically looks like Kuzma but is not polished. If he is to reach his potential its not behind a 28 year old all star in his prime (randle). Can we draft a player for his role? Receive a player in a bigge deal?
8. Mitch-Ihart-Simms- I love Mitch as do most. I do question if we can win a chip with his FT liability at games end (lately we are blowing out teams! LOL) and not have offensive options. I have no answer here. IHart is a great back up and his range and passing are very good for the position. Still young, not a prime time guy but he is getting it done. Sims? Who does not like “Jerri”!!!!!! He is like “Nice Ben Wallace”! We have him another year under contract and his value is based on his market value. By that, are teams asking for him in trade? Will he get paid 10mil a year as a back up, do we have to choose between one of him or Ihart? I have no idea what happens here.
If we play milwaukee I run him on Giannis for at least 10 min and tire him out in the 3rd or early 4th quarter.
Lots of games to enjoy and homefully we go deep into May with some playoffs.
I feel like they need someone behind Barrett to take 10 minutes a game at SF and if Barrett is playing poorly, more.
EwingsGlass wrote:Brunson/IQ
Grimes/jHart
Barrett/
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/iHart
I think the Knicks will make a big move this summer but if they don't, I'd love to see
Brunson/Rokas
Grimes/IQ
Barrett/jHart
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/iHart
Deuce, Sims on the outside looking in but break open in case of emergency
Knixkik wrote:It’s basically our starting 5 plus IQ and Hart are keepers. Deuce has a really nice role as a “break in case of emergency “ point of attack defender, and Sims is a nice 3rd string center. Hartenstein probably remains. Toppin is the big question mark. Knicks have Jokubaitis and The Dallas pick as potential incoming rookies. Fournier and Rose are probably gone. It could be as simple as replacing them with the 2 rookies and running it back if the right trade doesn’t materialize. It’s hard to predict an upgrade. Embiid to me is the pie in the sky. Barrett, Toppin and a ton of picks doesn’t get it done. Towns and LeVine are more likely but I question how much better either would make us. Bridges or Anunoby in place of Barrett are moves (while unlikely) would raise the floor but maybe not the ceiling. This offseason is going to be really interesting.
I am wildly optimistic about the team for a few reasons.
1) we are already a top flight defense as currently constructed.
2) Grimes and IQ have levels to up to. Even if IQ stays like he's been playing (GREAT) Grimes has a ton of scoring development yet to take place and he's already really good. Elite first step, good hops, great drive and dish game...
3) RJ will either level up OR I trust our FO to use the draft stash/assets whatever to upgrade this spot.
*** right now Dallas would give us the 17th pick, but they are 2.5 games back of giving us the 11th pick 
Knixkik wrote:TPercy wrote:Agree with all your moves. Mikal Bridges really wouldnt be a bad look its just looking at fees.
I would love bridges but can confidently say NJ Nets won’t trade him here.
Nets are in a weird position.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/09/nets-draft...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-net...
They are capped, have a lot of picks that aren't really their own or are subject a swap with Houston. They have a lot of salary tied up. Mikal is a 3&D stud, but that's still a role player position. Cam Johnson looks legit. Simmons, I mean, I don't know what to think. Claxton is a solid C. Dinwiddie and Harris are carrying a lot of salary for the Nets.
I don't hate the team but they have no downside protection and those Suns picks looks like 25+ draft slot for the next few years.
They have zero downside protection.
They look like an 8 seed to me. Not the end of the world, but I don't see how they improve from this anytime soon.
EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:I think IQ is gonna cost 4/$100 at least. $15mm per is a pipe dream no offense. Its very possible he's a year away from Jordan Poole moneyI would also look hard at Ingram with RJ/Obi type package. Otherwise I am great with drafting the BPA, let Rose go, find a home for Fournier and basically run it back with the same crew.
Hart can decline his $12mm option for a new 4 year $60mm. I would love to play 8 guys and look like this:
Brunson/Grimes/Ingram/Jules/Mitch
bench: IQ/Hart/Hart
Those would be my 8 guys. Build up the pipeline
4 years 25mm is Brunson type money. You crazy.
go look at Brunson's #s before we signed him. Go look at IQ's 2nd half. Brunson was NOT a defensive plus player when we signed him. IQ is currently an elite defender. Still think it's crazy?
A team with big cap space is absolutely going to offer IQ a huge contract if we dont lock him up. Unless of course he regresses but that certainly does not seem to the case. He's already picking up Brunson's moves. IQ could end up being our best player and better than Brunson.
If we dont lock him up for something between Fourner/Brunson's contracts he's gonna get an $30mm a year offer to run someone's team. Eyes wide shut man
fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:I think IQ is gonna cost 4/$100 at least. $15mm per is a pipe dream no offense. Its very possible he's a year away from Jordan Poole moneyI would also look hard at Ingram with RJ/Obi type package. Otherwise I am great with drafting the BPA, let Rose go, find a home for Fournier and basically run it back with the same crew.
Hart can decline his $12mm option for a new 4 year $60mm. I would love to play 8 guys and look like this:
Brunson/Grimes/Ingram/Jules/Mitch
bench: IQ/Hart/Hart
Those would be my 8 guys. Build up the pipeline
4 years 25mm is Brunson type money. You crazy.
go look at Brunson's #s before we signed him. Go look at IQ's 2nd half. Brunson was NOT a defensive plus player when we signed him. IQ is currently an elite defender. Still think it's crazy? A team with big cap space is absolutely going to offer IQ a huge contract if we dont lock him up. Unless of course he regresses but that certainly does not seem to the case. He's already picking up Brunson's moves. IQ could end up being our best player and better than Brunson.
If we dont lock him up for something between Fourner/Brunson's contracts he's gonna get an $30mm a year offer to run someone's team. Eyes wide shut man
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
Brunson had 120 starts and an outstanding playoff in place of Doncic and the argument that he was in Doncic's shadow. I do think Quickley CAN be better than Brunson is at 26, seeing as Quickley is 23.
Brunson put up 16 and 5 as a starter with 37% from 3. IQ is doing 13 and 3 on 35% off the bench. Looking at per 36, the numbers don't change much.
I don't want to make this a bash IQ thread cause I love the guy. Let's ask a different question. What other team is giving IQ $100mm as a 6 man? Who is his best comp?
You mention Poole. The Poole, Anfernee Simons tier is in the 20s. I don't think Quick is in that tier. Maxey might be. Quick doesn't have the starts.
His vet comp, Lou Williams never made more than $8mm a year. I think IQ plays better D so I am willing to bump that up quite a bit and re-price it with the increased cap.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawk...
Cam Payne makes $6.3mm a year. I have IQ above Cam, but if you are looking for matching stat profiles per 36 off the bench, they look similar.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
I can't see anyone paying 25m per. Sorry.
Sign Lebron and Kyrie to one year league minimum
EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:I think IQ is gonna cost 4/$100 at least. $15mm per is a pipe dream no offense. Its very possible he's a year away from Jordan Poole moneyI would also look hard at Ingram with RJ/Obi type package. Otherwise I am great with drafting the BPA, let Rose go, find a home for Fournier and basically run it back with the same crew.
Hart can decline his $12mm option for a new 4 year $60mm. I would love to play 8 guys and look like this:
Brunson/Grimes/Ingram/Jules/Mitch
bench: IQ/Hart/Hart
Those would be my 8 guys. Build up the pipeline
4 years 25mm is Brunson type money. You crazy.
go look at Brunson's #s before we signed him. Go look at IQ's 2nd half. Brunson was NOT a defensive plus player when we signed him. IQ is currently an elite defender. Still think it's crazy? A team with big cap space is absolutely going to offer IQ a huge contract if we dont lock him up. Unless of course he regresses but that certainly does not seem to the case. He's already picking up Brunson's moves. IQ could end up being our best player and better than Brunson.
If we dont lock him up for something between Fourner/Brunson's contracts he's gonna get an $30mm a year offer to run someone's team. Eyes wide shut man
IQ is doing 13 and 3 on 35% off the bench.
Im just gonna stop you right here. No he's not. He's averaging 15ppg in 40 games since, Dec, he's a 6moy candidate, shooting close to 40% from 3 and one of the league's best defenders. If you are not gonna look at context you are missing the point. "13/3 off the bench" is either disingenuous or you dont watch the team. There's a huge reason the Knicks are surging and one of the biggest is IQ's play. If this is sustained (especially in the playoffs) Brunson's deal willl be a bargain.
As for who pays him? Any team looking to find THEIR Brunson. After next year and 4th under Thibs you just arent keeping this guy cheap. Sorry dude. You can come back to me on this later
Keep starting 9 the same
Sign hart and Quickley
I think we have two draft picks to keep the pipeline going
Resign Rose to 1 year 3 mm
Look around keep eyes open but
BRIGGS wrote:Keep starting 9 the same
Sign hart and Quickley
I think we have two draft picks to keep the pipeline going
Resign Rose to 1 year 3 mm
Look around keep eyes open but
Knicks will most likely have ~2 first round picks each of the next 3 years which is also bonkers
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Keep starting 9 the same
Sign hart and Quickley
I think we have two draft picks to keep the pipeline going
Resign Rose to 1 year 3 mm
Look around keep eyes open but
Knicks will most likely have ~2 first round picks each of the next 3 years which is also bonkers
Dallas pick is 17 today, but like 2 games from 11
I know some posters were upset with Zach Lowe for saying that he cant believe he's picking the Knicks over the Heat in the playoffs. But he also has been saying lately that a star will ask to be traded to the Knicks in the near future, because the FO has done such a good job of team building. And that things were different in NY.
This is how you attract stars. Build from the ground up, find good role players, find stars before they're paid like one. Now adding that final piece is much more doable.
