Mikal vs OG? Who do you pick?
EwingsGlass wrote:Mikal vs OG? Who do you pick?
For no other reason the former will never happened in a million years, the latter.
Okay okay I'll bite I'll imagine this same exact 2023 squad this time next year but with KP Starting @ Stretch 5.
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NY's Starting 5:
C; Kristaps Porzingis.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Kawhi Leonard.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Jalen Brunson.
2nd unit Shooters:
C; Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Obi Toppin from 3.
SF: Josh Hart.
SG: Quentin Grimes.
PG: Immanuel Quickley.
That's a Championship 10 right there.
#23 Mitch might be coming off the bench just like all 3 of IQ/GRIMES/HART on the perimeter but with Mitch it's down low running and gunning with all the other 23-25 year old pups.
KAT seems like the obvious candidate. His buddy DLo was traded for Gobert's guy Conley. Only guys not wearing Knicks jerseys I have ever seen Randle show love were Alvin Gentry and KAT/ DLo. Lots of organizational ties between Rose Knicks and KAT too. If Bucks can roll with Portis Giannis and Lopez, Knicks can with Robinson KAT and Randle.
EF Barrett and 4 picks 3 swaps and call it a day.
MLE and Vet min space for Niang, Markief Morris, or another vet PF and Watanabe as wing vet. Sign and trade for Harrison Barnes ? I see deals like that
KnickDanger wrote:I think we have our stars.
That’s where I’m at. If I could somehow turn RJ plus picks into OG or Mikal or someone similar I’d consider it. Otherwise I think we’ve got a great core if we lock up Hart and IQ.
I hear people dreaming on guys like Zion, PG, and Kawhi and I cringe a little. The price would be high despite massive injury and load management risk. They all feel like fools gold to me give the likely price tag.
Alec Burks is a great dude but he’s not an upgrade over anyone in our rotation. He’s also a year removed from shooting an abominable 38% from 2. Replacing his shots with Brunson’s was the lowest hanging fruit imaginable to improve the offense. Also beware of numbers put up on ungodly bad teams like the current Pistons.
At this point, it's really all about getting production out of the backup 4. Obi is giving us nothing.
KnickDanger wrote:I think we have our stars.
Honestly, this might be it. Does it get anymore effective and efficient than Brunson and Randle? They are leading a top end offense in this league. Replacing Barrett with Bridges is an unlikely, but sure solution to the Knicks solidifying their defense while maintaining the offense. I’m not advocating for LeVine, but I can see the front office convincing themselves they need one more guy in the Randle/ Brunson range and surrounding them with defense can put them over the top. LeVine will come cheaper than Mitchell due to age and contract. You can convince me that LeVine makes the Knicks better than with Barrett, but in a close game you have to play LeVine, and does he make them better in that game than Quickley or Grimes when Randle and Brunson are also in the game ? I just wonder if for all of the talent improvement it would provide, it creates more problems.
Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think we have our stars.
Honestly, this might be it. Does it get anymore effective and efficient than Brunson and Randle? They are leading a top end offense in this league. Replacing Barrett with Bridges is an unlikely, but sure solution to the Knicks solidifying their defense while maintaining the offense. I’m not advocating for LeVine, but I can see the front office convincing themselves they need one more guy in the Randle/ Brunson range and surrounding them with defense can put them over the top. LeVine will come cheaper than Mitchell due to age and contract. You can convince me that LeVine makes the Knicks better than with Barrett, but in a close game you have to play LeVine, and does he make them better in that game than Quickley or Grimes when Randle and Brunson are also in the game ? I just wonder if for all of the talent improvement it would provide, it creates more problems.
From Zach Lowe:
Their offense has been better with Robinson too, and the Knicks are up to fifth (!) in points per possession -- one of the season's shocking subplots. Depending on your tastes, it might be a small warning sign that a lot of New York's scoring is built on nonshooting elements: free throws, offensive rebounds, ball security. The Knicks don't generate a ton of 3s or layups, and their shot-making is average.
We will see what happens in the playoffs. One point in KAT's favor is that for a big, he's always been a great shooter.
gradyandrew wrote:Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:I think we have our stars.
Honestly, this might be it. Does it get anymore effective and efficient than Brunson and Randle? They are leading a top end offense in this league. Replacing Barrett with Bridges is an unlikely, but sure solution to the Knicks solidifying their defense while maintaining the offense. I’m not advocating for LeVine, but I can see the front office convincing themselves they need one more guy in the Randle/ Brunson range and surrounding them with defense can put them over the top. LeVine will come cheaper than Mitchell due to age and contract. You can convince me that LeVine makes the Knicks better than with Barrett, but in a close game you have to play LeVine, and does he make them better in that game than Quickley or Grimes when Randle and Brunson are also in the game ? I just wonder if for all of the talent improvement it would provide, it creates more problems.
From Zach Lowe:
Their offense has been better with Robinson too, and the Knicks are up to fifth (!) in points per possession -- one of the season's shocking subplots. Depending on your tastes, it might be a small warning sign that a lot of New York's scoring is built on nonshooting elements: free throws, offensive rebounds, ball security. The Knicks don't generate a ton of 3s or layups, and their shot-making is average.
We will see what happens in the playoffs. One point in KAT's favor is that for a big, he's always been a great shooter.
KATs good but we would lose the anchor of our defense. If you replace Barrett with an elite scorer you’re not losing as much defensively but still gaining the offense.
jaydh wrote:At this point, it's really all about getting production out of the backup 4. Obi is giving us nothing.
This. Backup PF is the biggest weakness on the team right now.
After we win the championship we will want to re-sign all our guys
Honestly, we played playoff level Miami defense and our two guys did really well. Depending on how far we go in the playoffs it might just be as simple as running it back and adding depth in draft + Rokas while also banking on RJ or Grimes taking a big step forward
TPercy wrote:Honestly, we played playoff level Miami defense and our two guys did really well. Depending on how far we go in the playoffs it might just be as simple as running it back and adding depth in draft + Rokas while also banking on RJ or Grimes taking a big step forward
Good points and my view as of now with along way before June and Free agency.
From what I read and my own view its hard to not under or over value some players. We go off on Grimes being a future all star/starks/H20, IQ is also there while RJ is shyte.
Obi is not Amare sad to say. Kenny "Sky" walker taught us winning dunk contests don't mean a whole lot.
OG has limitations and we might find frustration with his offense, especially if his salary demands are high. Easy to say "lets get a long SF with range and plays great defense". Its another to get one.
Cost beyond RJ would be high.
And.......RJ at 22 could still be the one? I don't know.
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Mikal vs OG? Who do you pick?
Lets go all in... BOTH
What's the cost?
And the true value of RJ I suppose. Some of us are varied on him.
Im not apposed to either even over RJ. Im still adjusting that we have basically we have two allstars and might be closer to contending. But reality is 8 game win streak is raising the expectations and I don't trust my valuations. If true, I sure as hell don't some of our friends on the UK! No offense, we emotional.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Mikal vs OG? Who do you pick?
Lets go all in... BOTH
What's the cost?
And the true value of RJ I suppose. Some of us are varied on him.
Im not apposed to either even over RJ. Im still adjusting that we have basically we have two allstars and might be closer to contending. But reality is 8 game win streak is raising the expectations and I don't trust my valuations. If true, I sure as hell don't some of our friends on the UK! No offense, we emotional.
haha yeah the cost would be killer and mostly I was kidding. Mostly 
But those guys are the *types* of players that would fit into the Knicks style, just like Josh Hart.
The Knicks have been centered around Randle and RJ for a long time and we can see the shift towards Randle, Brunson; I think it's RJ's 3rd wheel to grab or lose. Same with Obi: his minutes are there for him to grab or lose.
I think the Knicks have 2 big moves to make still with their asset base, should be interesting to see how this plays out.
I dont get to watch games for other teams but one guy I was always interested in for the Knicks was Usman Garuba, especially off the bench.
He fits the team from a defensive and style standpoint, zero clue on what he does offensively but know it's limited.
He ain't going anywhere soon but he is the type I'd love for the Knicks to go after.
martin wrote:I dont get to watch games for other teams but one guy I was always interested in for the Knicks was Usman Garuba, especially off the bench.He fits the team from a defensive and style standpoint, zero clue on what he does offensively but know it's limited.
He ain't going anywhere soon but he is the type I'd love for the Knicks to go after.
I like Tari Eason. If we could trade for him. If not draft BPA. We can sign or do a sign and trade for a vet free agent like Marcus or Marquis Morris, Harrison Barnes, Georges Giang to compete with Obi I am assuming the team improves around the margins and does not make a major trade
Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:I dont get to watch games for other teams but one guy I was always interested in for the Knicks was Usman Garuba, especially off the bench.He fits the team from a defensive and style standpoint, zero clue on what he does offensively but know it's limited.
He ain't going anywhere soon but he is the type I'd love for the Knicks to go after.
I like Tari Eason. If we could trade for him. If not draft BPA. We can sign or do a sign and trade for a vet free agent like Marcus or Marquis Morris, Harrison Barnes, Georges Giang to compete with Obi I am assuming the team improves around the margins and does not make a major trade
Morris bro's are toast, they are aging out. Doubt Barnes goes anywhere with the success Sac has been having. Giang is a nice spacer but does he really do anything else that is worth spending that MLE money on? If he can't rebound or play the rugged PF position, there is no real upgrade over Obi.
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:I dont get to watch games for other teams but one guy I was always interested in for the Knicks was Usman Garuba, especially off the bench.He fits the team from a defensive and style standpoint, zero clue on what he does offensively but know it's limited.
He ain't going anywhere soon but he is the type I'd love for the Knicks to go after.
I like Tari Eason. If we could trade for him. If not draft BPA. We can sign or do a sign and trade for a vet free agent like Marcus or Marquis Morris, Harrison Barnes, Georges Giang to compete with Obi I am assuming the team improves around the margins and does not make a major trade
Morris bro's are toast, they are aging out. Doubt Barnes goes anywhere with the success Sac has been having. Giang is a nice spacer but does he really do anything else that is worth spending that MLE money on? If he can't rebound or play the rugged PF position, there is no real upgrade over Obi.
I'm a Toppin fan. Think the team will go for depth to back up the position and to push Obi to fight for his spot and mentor him as well we will see.
