Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:I’m not a huge Obi fan but I am less of a Thibs fan and how he manages the team.I will be the first to admit that we possibly haven’t seen the best version of Obi Toppin and the reason being is because Thibs insist on camping him on the corner whenever he’s playing……….I think………if he had half the freedom that Randle has, we may see a more productive player
Thibs is maximizing this team right now. Coming into this season no one said we had enough talent to do what this team is doing. Thibs is far more concerned with the team than finding the perfect role for Toppin, as all coaches should. I don’t see how this team can be managed in a way where they are more successful than they are now.
Randle the all star
Brunson possible MIP, should have been all star
IQ possible 6MOY
Grimes playing within range of all defensive team especially for ISO D
Mitch playing within range of all defensive team D, best one of the best offensive rebounders in league
Knicks have 7th best record in league.
Knicks top 10 in both offense and defense efficiency but I havnet checked recently
Thibs is probably in top 5 for COY votes
But Obi?
Exactly. I swear I still read people some places suggesting to find Toppin more minutes because he can’t perform in the ones he has. It’s backwards. He needs to up his game to find more minutes in the rotation, simple as that.
Check the receipts. I have never been one to say that Thibs should “find” min for Obi.
all I am suggesting is that maybe if he stops camping Obi in a corner, and give him a little more free range, we may see a different player that can contribute meaningful minutes and, maybe, Thibs wouldn’t feel a need to run Randle for 38min a night.
Swishfm3 wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:I’m not a huge Obi fan but I am less of a Thibs fan and how he manages the team.I will be the first to admit that we possibly haven’t seen the best version of Obi Toppin and the reason being is because Thibs insist on camping him on the corner whenever he’s playing……….I think………if he had half the freedom that Randle has, we may see a more productive player
Thibs is maximizing this team right now. Coming into this season no one said we had enough talent to do what this team is doing. Thibs is far more concerned with the team than finding the perfect role for Toppin, as all coaches should. I don’t see how this team can be managed in a way where they are more successful than they are now.
Randle the all star
Brunson possible MIP, should have been all star
IQ possible 6MOY
Grimes playing within range of all defensive team especially for ISO D
Mitch playing within range of all defensive team D, best one of the best offensive rebounders in league
Knicks have 7th best record in league.
Knicks top 10 in both offense and defense efficiency but I havnet checked recently
Thibs is probably in top 5 for COY votes
But Obi?
Exactly. I swear I still read people some places suggesting to find Toppin more minutes because he can’t perform in the ones he has. It’s backwards. He needs to up his game to find more minutes in the rotation, simple as that.
Check the receipts. I have never been one to say that Thibs should “find” min for Obi.
all I am suggesting is that maybe if he stops camping Obi in a corner, and give him a little more free range, we may see a different player that can contribute meaningful minutes and, maybe, Thibs wouldn’t feel a need to run Randle for 38min a night.
Yes I’m not talking about you or anyone specific. I have no idea what you have said about him. Just saying it’s been a common theme throughout the year on message boards. Toppin is a fan favorite and was a lottery pick. I think for that he’s been given a rotation spot without any competition. But he just hasn’t shown any reason to expand that role so far.
Knixkik wrote:There was talk about Indiana being interested in Toppin. They need a natural PF and he would fit nicely with Haliburton. Chris Duarte is someone who the Knicks wanted badly in the draft 2 years ago and he’s repped by CAA. He’s struggled this season due to injury and increased wing depth in Indiana. I wonder if a simple Toppin for Duarte deal makes sense as both could use a change of scenery. Gives the Knicks an extra year of rookie contract too.
Knicks could run a second unit of Quickley, Hart, Duarte, Barrett and Hartenstein, and draft a backup PF (Kris Murray or Taylor Hendricks) for depth.
I don’t want to trade Obi within the conference especially to a team that knows what they are doing
Panos wrote:gradyandrew wrote:VDesai wrote:martin wrote:VDesai wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Obi really needs to be much more aggressive. He plays way too passively. Last night perfect example, Knicks had a 3 on 1 break. Obi goes to the left 3 pt line and gets the ball, wide open 3. He hesitates defender comes out , Obi makes a deke towards the basket and then takes a rushed 3pter and misses. He should have taken the original wide open 3 pter. He often gets the ball at the 3 pt line, rarely takes it to the basket and instead just passes it on.
I think this is it for me with Obi. Wasn't he the National Player of the Year? Or at that level in college?I don't think I've seen that level of accomplishment as a player and then who came into the NBA like he didn't even want to shoot the ball. Crazy
Do you guys realize that 5 out of the last 12 National Players of the year have been on the Knicks? 
who are they?
Trey Burke, Jimmer Fredette, Doug McDermott, Jalen Brunson and Obi Toppin.
You got to email this to Cadillac!Not for nothing but Obi has become a much better and willing 3 point shooter as well as improving his free throw shooting. Progress isn't linear. He still has a year left on his rookie deal so I don't see the rush. He's shown plenty of ability over his career to step up when needed, it just hasn't been needed so much. He's the only back up 4 on the roster. There's no guarantee that any rookie would play his role better.
I pretty much agree with the lack of rebounding being an issue. It seems like he needs to adjust his game and do those leakouts more selectively. Also, maybe he's still not 100% from his early season injury.
But it's he? Is he actually a 4?
In what way, other than height?
Does he rebound? Does he guard PFs well?
Frankly, i don't know *what* position he plays other than that he comes in when JR sits...
Obi can’t really guard wings or pgs on the perimeter. Yes his shooting from 3 has improved significantly this year but He’s a PF or C in todays nba. He’s a quick PF or C but still
Knixkik wrote:Ian Begley pitched that maybe the Knicks just offer him a contract (eventually) that matches his current role. While he deserves a bigger opportunity elsewhere, he does have a pretty good deal here. He’s guaranteed a rotation spot and has low pressure to just run with the second unit and shoot threes. He’s not doing much but maybe he just gets better. Knicks aren’t getting even a late first for him, so trading him will be tough for the same front office that drafted him in the lottery. If he wasn’t drafted by this front office he would be gone. While I don’t believe he’s particularly happy playing backup to the most durable PF in the league, I do think he likes playing in NYC and likes knowing he will have a guaranteed role every night. The Knicks have never rostered a third PF since he’s been with the team. That’s by design by this front office.
I think that’s the right move. Let Obi play out the entire rookie contract then offer a reasonable 2-3 year deal and see how much he desires to stay here since his family is here and he wants to be a Knick. He will likely get a better offer to play in podunkland but sometimes it’s better to gamble
