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Keeping it "in house" would be cornering RJ in the locker room and saying, "all the shit I do for your +/- helping you get the bag and you can't look my way with Nurkic in front of you? WTF man!"
Going to IG was some good shit rather than specifically calling out a teammate.
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Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
You go from "he needs to develop a post game" to "sure, it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back," as if they are the same thing?!
You don't develop a post game during the season, you do it in the offseason. You work on a couple of shots over and over and over again, so you don't have to think about what you are doing, you just do it.
A few years ago Mitch showed us vids of him taking long jumpers. I'm pretty sure I commented that he should be working on some shots in the paint, and foul shooting.
Nobody says Mitch has to be some kind of go to player on the offensive end, but why the F hasn't he actually added some skills to his offensive tool kit? His foul shooting has gotten worse, not better.
What does he do in the offseason...He gains some weight & puts on some muscle, which probably slowed him down a bit, but as far as his offensive skills, he's basically the same guy he was as a rookie.
If he has a 6'7" player pick him up on a switch, why can't he develop some shots which allow him to take him down low & exploit the size difference.
Look at Ben Simmons...the F'n guy was supposed to be some kind of generational player, but it was obvious from the first clips you saw of him that his jump shot form was terrible. I guess coaches he had while growing up figured he would dominate the NBA like he dominated people as he was coming up.
Then look at Lebron James...he worked on his weaknesses, and it made a difference. He didn't just grow up, he practiced in the offseason.
And what about our own David Lee...a limited offensive player when he came to the team, but he worked on his game and became a much more valuable player.
Mitch has yet to show us that he has the work ethic to improve as a player. This is his 5th year. He is a very valuable and situationally effective player, but also very limited. If he wanted a greater role in the offense, he should've developed his offensive skill set in the offseason.
CleaverGreene wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
You go from "he needs to develop a post game" to "sure, it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back," as if they are the same thing?!You don't develop a post game during the season, you do it in the offseason. You work on a couple of shots over and over and over again, so you don't have to think about what you are doing, you just do it.
A few years ago Mitch showed us vids of him taking long jumpers. I'm pretty sure I commented that he should be working on some shots in the paint, and foul shooting.
Nobody says Mitch has to be some kind of go to player on the offensive end, but why the F hasn't he actually added some skills to his offensive tool kit? His foul shooting has gotten worse, not better.
What does he do in the offseason...He gains some weight & puts on some muscle, which probably slowed him down a bit, but as far as his offensive skills, he's basically the same guy he was as a rookie.
If he has a 6'7" player pick him up on a switch, why can't he develop some shots which allow him to take him down low & exploit the size difference.
Look at Ben Simmons...the F'n guy was supposed to be some kind of generational player, but it was obvious from the first clips you saw of him that his jump shot form was terrible. I guess coaches he had while growing up figured he would dominate the NBA like he dominated people as he was coming up.
Then look at Lebron James...he worked on his weaknesses, and it made a difference. He didn't just grow up, he practiced in the offseason.
And what about our own David Lee...a limited offensive player when he came to the team, but he worked on his game and became a much more valuable player.Mitch has yet to show us that he has the work ethic to improve as a player. This is his 5th year. He is a very valuable and situationally effective player, but also very limited. If he wanted a greater role in the offense, he should've developed his offensive skill set in the offseason.
I'm only giving you half credit for reading comprehension because you ignored the second half of the paragraph. There's a reason Ben and LBJ get max contracts and Robinson doesn't.
Steve Adams shoots 36% on free throws and Memphis has cratered without him. Shooting isn't everything.
First two seasons MRob averaged 7.7 and 6.7 fouls per 100 possessions. That's down to 5.1. With 12 games left he's set a career high on points garnered off assists.
JB is near the top in the league with points in the paint- what's the logic for Robinson taking any of those shots.
Your point about exploiting mismatches is exactly the issue here and what led to my original post. When he has a clear lane with Damian Lillard underneath the basket, it's on his teammate to pass the ball.
gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
Im certainly not disputing Mitch's value to the team. Its not about how Mitch and iHart measure up statwise. Its about Mitch saying for years that he's ready to show an expanded game. Mitch can do that without anyone's help or permission.
Hartenstein hasnt felt comfortable shooting the 3 all season, as you pointed out. What did he do? iHart developed that little floater in tbe paint. They kept feeding him the ball for a few weeks until they started falling. Im sure they would do the same for Mitch.
Brunson is the PG, if Mitch is upset about his role, he should take JB out for a nice steak dinner, and talk to him about it.
To paraphrase an old saying. Praise your teammates in public, criticize in private. Not helpful to the team to make a beef worldwide like that.
GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
Im certainly not disputing Mitch's value to the team. Its not about how Mitch and iHart measure up statwise. Its about Mitch saying for years that he's ready to show an expanded game. Mitch can do that without anyone's help or permission.
Hartenstein hasnt felt comfortable shooting the 3 all season, as you pointed out. What did he do? iHart developed that little floater in tbe paint. They kept feeding him the ball for a few weeks until they started falling. Im sure they would do the same for Mitch.Brunson is the PG, if he's upset about his role, he should take JB out for a nice steak dinner, and talk to him about it.
To paraphrase an old saying. Praise your teammates in public, criticize in private. Not helpful to the team to make a beef worldwide like that.
I think you are missing my point.
You want to extrapolate his comments into an indictment of his role this season, I want to confine them to a particularly egregious play.
gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
Im certainly not disputing Mitch's value to the team. Its not about how Mitch and iHart measure up statwise. Its about Mitch saying for years that he's ready to show an expanded game. Mitch can do that without anyone's help or permission.
Hartenstein hasnt felt comfortable shooting the 3 all season, as you pointed out. What did he do? iHart developed that little floater in tbe paint. They kept feeding him the ball for a few weeks until they started falling. Im sure they would do the same for Mitch.Brunson is the PG, if he's upset about his role, he should take JB out for a nice steak dinner, and talk to him about it.
To paraphrase an old saying. Praise your teammates in public, criticize in private. Not helpful to the team to make a beef worldwide like that.
I think you are missing my point.
You want to extrapolate his comments into an indictment of his role this season, I want to confine them to a particularly egregious play.
Got it.
Mitch does this every season at some point. Complains about his role in the offense. So I dont see it as an isolated incident. Or anything to extrapolate except that he wants the ball more. Thats been a common refrain.
If the Knicks were headed for the lotto, and not the playoffs. I'd be more understanding of the timing.
GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
Im certainly not disputing Mitch's value to the team. Its not about how Mitch and iHart measure up statwise. Its about Mitch saying for years that he's ready to show an expanded game. Mitch can do that without anyone's help or permission.
Hartenstein hasnt felt comfortable shooting the 3 all season, as you pointed out. What did he do? iHart developed that little floater in tbe paint. They kept feeding him the ball for a few weeks until they started falling. Im sure they would do the same for Mitch.Brunson is the PG, if he's upset about his role, he should take JB out for a nice steak dinner, and talk to him about it.
To paraphrase an old saying. Praise your teammates in public, criticize in private. Not helpful to the team to make a beef worldwide like that.
I think you are missing my point.
You want to extrapolate his comments into an indictment of his role this season, I want to confine them to a particularly egregious play.
Got it.
Mitch does this every season at some point. Complains about his role in the offense. So I dont see it as an isolated incident. Or anything to extrapolate except that he wants the ball more. Thats been a common refrain.
If the Knicks were headed for the lotto, and not the playoffs. I'd be more understanding of the timing.
Yeah he’s done this before. I actually don’t mind it too much at least it shows he wants to play
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Rob needs to delete his social media imo if he cannot handle it.
He busts his ass never gets anything called for him. They miss him all the time. The team plays very selfish. Josh Hart and Grimes are team first guys.
It’s hard out there to keep doing your job and never get rewarded.
It’s on Thibs to get him some easy opportunities
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Click here to view the TweetRob needs to delete his social media imo if he cannot handle it.
You really think he handled this whole thing poorly?
For me this was a tiny gaffe by a 24yo that was handled nicely.
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What I took from that is that he is gonna be a dad. Congrats to Mitch. Its funny. I was all over Enes Kanter for his social media presence and people on this board gave me a lot of grief. Mitch posts pure emotion once a year and I am giving him a free pass, but everyone else wants it to be Derek Jeter's clubhouse. Hell, the guy does all the work down low. Give the man a pass. Either on this or with the ball. Or both.
gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Robinson 2023 FGA- 4.8 Career 5.0
%Ast- .602 .608Mitchell has been the same guy, getting the same looks, getting the same passes his whole career. He's not complaining about his role; he was pissed (rightly) about that play.
Totally ridiculous to say "he needs to develop a post game" I mean, what? Sure it would be great for him to develop a Lillard step back 3, but how many possessions do you have to waste to have it work? Robinson is one of the top Role Players in the league. That's all he needs to do is play his role. Let Brunson and Randle ISO in the post- they are far better at it! Let RJ and IQ run pick and rolls- they are better at it. But when the defense gives your roll man an easy lane- make the pass!
I dont remember a time when asking a 7fter to be able to make a set shot from 6-10 feet was a big deal after how many years in the league? Or how that would compare to a future HOF PGs game.
Mitch wants the ball, he should do exactly what Hartenstein did. Work on his game. If iHart followed your advice, his game would still be stuck in quick sand. He should try meeting his teammates halfway. Show a little more game.
Mitchell Robinson (again) leads the Knicks in win shares per 48 minutes, 35% higher than iHart, so the stats don't match proposition. Going by the math, the Knicks would be in the play in if Robinson followed.
Notice how iHart has completely removed the 3 from his game despite that being his number 1 selling point over the summer? Offensive rebounding is more valuable than bigs shooting outside shots- one of the main reasons we have the 5th best offense this year despite shooting at a below average rate.
Ihart attepted 30 3pt shots. Made 14.
I think we it being "no. 1 selling point" was a fabrication by us. One might assume more would be effective. Not always so.
Steve Adams career avg is 2.9 FT attempts per game. Im going to guess he does not often play in crunch time in close games as he might be hacked, or get many passes on offense then.
Its entirely possible Thibs gave him a mandate to get his FT% up or come playoff time he might not finish games or will be rotated out.
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Click here to view the TweetRob needs to delete his social media imo if he cannot handle it.
What I took from that is that he is gonna be a dad. Congrats to Mitch. Its funny. I was all over Enes Kanter for his social media presence and people on this board gave me a lot of grief. Mitch posts pure emotion once a year and I am giving him a free pass, but everyone else wants it to be Derek Jeter's clubhouse. Hell, the guy does all the work down low. Give the man a pass. Either on this or with the ball. Or both.
I remember Larry Brown would start off games for Detroit by giving Ben Wallace a few possessions. Wallace was just as bad, possibly worse, on offense than Mitch. A few people in the media questioned this because you were, more often times than not, wasting offensive possessions. I'm guessing Larry did this because he knew if Ben felt more engaged offensively early on, it would get him going defensively. Do I have an opinion one way or the other? Not really. From the outside looking I'd say it's dumb to waste offensive possessions. But as much of a kook I think Larry is, no one had a better feel for that locker room at the time.
MS wrote:I’m with Mitch here.He busts his ass never gets anything called for him. They miss him all the time. The team plays very selfish. Josh Hart and Grimes are team first guys.
It’s hard out there to keep doing your job and never get rewarded.
It’s on Thibs to get him some easy opportunities
Problem is that you cannot call anything for Rob. He has almost no skills offensively aside from catching an alley-oop and teams guard against that. And this team does look for him, especially RJ and Grimes. They lob it when it's there. You cannot force an alley-oop either. His reward should be the team is winning. If Rob's expectation of himself is to be a scorer or a go-to guy on offense, he should go play in China cause he's not good enough on that end in this league.
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Click here to view the TweetRob needs to delete his social media imo if he cannot handle it.
You really think he handled this whole thing poorly?
For me this was a tiny gaffe by a 24yo that was handled nicely.
I was honestly annoyed by it. We're winning and the last thing we need is unnecessary drama. If you cannot keep your emotions in check, you shouldn't be on social media. That goes for like everyone, not just sports. Hopefully it was a tiny gaffe and we can move on. But Rob should really just go into Thibs office and voice his frustrations like an adult. Going on social media is childish.