Knicks · Mitch tired. (page 3)

i think people are overreacting. it's a new generation. Young people talk on twitter and total strangers as if it were one of their friends.

Guy broke Wilt's record and we're not lobbing it to him once in a while. let him vent a little. He'll still come out and fight, dive on the floor etc.

CP3 would be lobbing to this guy 6-10 times a game.

they'll work it out.

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Really bad look from Mitch at this point. Immaturity. Wondering if the Knicks will look to upgrade this summer. But who ?

why? He's not shitting on a teammate or the org or the coaches... he's venting frustration cause he wants more shots. You would look to trade him over this?

Mitch plays hard. His offense has improved. We literally never EVER throw it into him in the post. Ever.

He is the leagues worst FT shooter and has no range or post game, so im not sure that he doesnt get the ball the optimal amount.

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Chandler wrote:i think people are overreacting. it's a new generation. Young people talk on twitter and total strangers as if it were one of their friends.

Guy broke Wilt's record and we're not lobbing it to him once in a while. let him vent a little. He'll still come out and fight, dive on the floor etc.

CP3 would be lobbing to this guy 6-10 times a game.

they'll work it out.

It could be worse. Mitch could be on twitter liking anti-semetic movies and boycotting the vaccine

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:i think people are overreacting. it's a new generation. Young people talk on twitter and total strangers as if it were one of their friends.

Guy broke Wilt's record and we're not lobbing it to him once in a while. let him vent a little. He'll still come out and fight, dive on the floor etc.

CP3 would be lobbing to this guy 6-10 times a game.

they'll work it out.

It could be worse. Mitch could be on twitter liking anti-semetic movies and boycotting the vaccine

Or flashing guns in nightclubs, or beating up teenagers in pick up games, or traveling with a bullying crew….

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

Mitch scores in 3 ways, they are all very high percentage attempts( can't even call them shots because they are not)
1) Lobs
2) Putbacks
3) From the dunker's spot when defenses collapse on someone else in the paint( Randle, Grimes)and he receives a dump off and there is no defender between him and the basket

That's it. There are no other ways that he can score. Dumping the ball onto him in the post will not accomplish anything because not only does he not have any post game, he doesn't have a single post move to score on a defender. He is delusional.

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

Mitch scores in 3 ways, they are all very high percentage attempts( can't even call them shots because they are not)
1) Lobs
2) Putbacks
3) From the dunker's spot when defenses collapse on someone else in the paint( Randle, Grimes)and he receives a dump off and there is no defender between him and the basket

That's it. There are no other ways that he can score. Dumping the ball onto him in the post will not accomplish anything because not only does he not have any post game, he doesn't have a single post move to score on a defender. He is delusional.

I literally provided videos showing you the bold. He's not asking for Ewing/Embiid touches. The guy runs up and down the court 60x and nobody ever throws him the ball. He said "wtf guys" and fans want to call him delusional. cmon now

I am in IT and my prior boss wanted me to work the help desk, because that's where I was needed most, because everyone else was terrible with people. Then I got pigeonholed as just that. I am a systems engineer, and I wanted more project type of work, implemented and deploying services, for example.

Well, over time I got labelled a help desk support guy, and all the rewarding work I got was when I became the squeaky wheel. I am at that phase where I fantasize about being literally anywhere else. I flip-flop about what i want, but what do you think I will do moving forward? If Mitch's work is unfulfilling, what do you think he'll do?

I'm sorry, he's too important. When Randle slows it down to screeching halt, they can't call his number 2 or 3 times a game? He's too important for him to feel detached from the overall operation, or feeling like he has more to give. I fucking hate it when I'm put in a box, I don't blame Mitch at all

SupremeCommander wrote:I am in IT and my prior boss wanted me to work the help desk, because that's where I was needed most, because everyone else was terrible with people. Then I got pigeonholed as just that. I am a systems engineer, and I wanted more project type of work, implemented and deploying services, for example.

Well, over time I got labelled a help desk support guy, and all the rewarding work I got was when I became the squeaky wheel. I am at that phase where I fantasize about being literally anywhere else. I flip-flop about what i want, but what do you think I will do moving forward? If Mitch's work is unfulfilling, what do you think he'll do?

I'm sorry, he's too important. When Randle slows it down to screeching halt, they can't call his number 2 or 3 times a game? He's too important for him to feel detached from the overall operation, or feeling like he has more to give. I fucking hate it when I'm put in a box, I don't blame Mitch at all

I hear you, but with your personal example, this isn't Mitch going to management to voice his complaints and get some more palatable assignments, this is him going to the company's social media pages and complaining about the work shortly after accepting a promotion/raise.

Angle for more offensive responsibility, draw attention to your moves in practice, go ahead and be the squeaky wheel in that regard - but STFU about it on your socials. Leave the business in house. I'd think that's fair?

fishmike wrote:this is fair. Mitch has been here 5 years and never gotten more than 6 FGAs a game. His career FG% is over 70
He's played with RJ for 4 years and watched RJ get 15 shots a game handed to him because he's a lottery pick and the guy is a brick layer.

How about this... lets pass Mitch (and IHart) the phucking ball every now and then? Im not saying make him Embiid... but run a play in the post for him. Geeze. Mitch is 100% right. He's not getting the ball until the guards throw it to him.

I love Thibs and we will see how this plays out. Mitch's beef is fair

No it's not. Rob has zero moves offensively aside from offensive putback dunks and alleyoops. He looks like Mutombo with a strait jacket when he tries to post up. Rob needs to shut up, keep his frustrations private and play his role! We are 10 games above .500 and don't need this bs. If in the offseason he's really unhappy, he can approach management for a trade. But to do it with 11 games to go makes him look selfish and dumb considering he's shown no ability to score.

fishmike wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

Mitch scores in 3 ways, they are all very high percentage attempts( can't even call them shots because they are not)
1) Lobs
2) Putbacks
3) From the dunker's spot when defenses collapse on someone else in the paint( Randle, Grimes)and he receives a dump off and there is no defender between him and the basket

That's it. There are no other ways that he can score. Dumping the ball onto him in the post will not accomplish anything because not only does he not have any post game, he doesn't have a single post move to score on a defender. He is delusional.

I literally provided videos showing you the bold. He's not asking for Ewing/Embiid touches. The guy runs up and down the court 60x and nobody ever throws him the ball. He said "wtf guys" and fans want to call him delusional. cmon now

2 or 3 years ago it was very obvious ( I even posted it here multiple times)that Mitch needs to learn to shoot free throws. Years later he is building a brick mansion from the line. iHart gets touches in the paint multiple times each game. Maybe Mitch needs to think into why he is " only doing cardio out there" Just a thought. You have collected a few instances of him doing a post move over thousands of minutes played and that is why we need to give him more touches. Especially now that the team is doing so well. . . It's selfish on his part, immature and not professional

MaTT4281 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I am in IT and my prior boss wanted me to work the help desk, because that's where I was needed most, because everyone else was terrible with people. Then I got pigeonholed as just that. I am a systems engineer, and I wanted more project type of work, implemented and deploying services, for example.

Well, over time I got labelled a help desk support guy, and all the rewarding work I got was when I became the squeaky wheel. I am at that phase where I fantasize about being literally anywhere else. I flip-flop about what i want, but what do you think I will do moving forward? If Mitch's work is unfulfilling, what do you think he'll do?

I'm sorry, he's too important. When Randle slows it down to screeching halt, they can't call his number 2 or 3 times a game? He's too important for him to feel detached from the overall operation, or feeling like he has more to give. I fucking hate it when I'm put in a box, I don't blame Mitch at all

I hear you, but with your personal example, this isn't Mitch going to management to voice his complaints and get some more palatable assignments, this is him going to the company's social media pages and complaining about the work shortly after accepting a promotion/raise.

Angle for more offensive responsibility, draw attention to your moves in practice, go ahead and be the squeaky wheel in that regard - but STFU about it on your socials. Leave the business in house. I'd think that's fair?

that is fair, and how I operate.

that said, when I was 24, I was a fucking moron while I also thought I was brilliant. I think the patience we want him to exude should be extended to him

he's got to do better, but his social media presence is not nearly as bad as Ja Morant's or Kyrie Irving's

SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I am in IT and my prior boss wanted me to work the help desk, because that's where I was needed most, because everyone else was terrible with people. Then I got pigeonholed as just that. I am a systems engineer, and I wanted more project type of work, implemented and deploying services, for example.

Well, over time I got labelled a help desk support guy, and all the rewarding work I got was when I became the squeaky wheel. I am at that phase where I fantasize about being literally anywhere else. I flip-flop about what i want, but what do you think I will do moving forward? If Mitch's work is unfulfilling, what do you think he'll do?

I'm sorry, he's too important. When Randle slows it down to screeching halt, they can't call his number 2 or 3 times a game? He's too important for him to feel detached from the overall operation, or feeling like he has more to give. I fucking hate it when I'm put in a box, I don't blame Mitch at all

I hear you, but with your personal example, this isn't Mitch going to management to voice his complaints and get some more palatable assignments, this is him going to the company's social media pages and complaining about the work shortly after accepting a promotion/raise.

Angle for more offensive responsibility, draw attention to your moves in practice, go ahead and be the squeaky wheel in that regard - but STFU about it on your socials. Leave the business in house. I'd think that's fair?

that is fair, and how I operate.

that said, when I was 24, I was a fucking moron while I also thought I was brilliant. I think the patience we want him to exude should be extended to him

he's got to do better, but his social media presence is not nearly as bad as Ja Morant's or Kyrie Irving's

+1,000,000

Mitch is a super nice kid. Why is anyone killing him?

If there is a criticism to be given, it's that he is too nice and doesn't have the drive to be the best.

But, I have seen him really compete this year, grab boards in ridiculous traffic and finish.

And, I think he still is getting rent free space in Tatum's head after those blocks.

fishmike wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

Mitch scores in 3 ways, they are all very high percentage attempts( can't even call them shots because they are not)
1) Lobs
2) Putbacks
3) From the dunker's spot when defenses collapse on someone else in the paint( Randle, Grimes)and he receives a dump off and there is no defender between him and the basket

That's it. There are no other ways that he can score. Dumping the ball onto him in the post will not accomplish anything because not only does he not have any post game, he doesn't have a single post move to score on a defender. He is delusional.

I literally provided videos showing you the bold. He's not asking for Ewing/Embiid touches. The guy runs up and down the court 60x and nobody ever throws him the ball. He said "wtf guys" and fans want to call him delusional. cmon now

This is something that should be talked about with coaches or in a team meeting.

You don't put this out on social media during your team's playoff run when the team is winning.

Hitting 70% of his free throws and developing a go-to money shot in the post would do wonders for his popularity on the offensive end of the court.

CleaverGreene wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:funny how "all he does is dunk" is somehow a reason why Mitch shouldnt get more touches. I love Knick fans

2x.7>3x.333

In face, you need to shoot at .467% from 3 to match Robinson's efficiency.

Yeah, except lobs get broken up and noone breaks up a 3 point attempt. Context matters

not sure what you're saying. some/most of those break ups are ensconced in the shooting % no? it's not like 30% are blocked or missed dunks

all those missed threes also create long rebounds which create fast break opportunities in the other direction, and 3s do get broken up too

I am saying that lobs are a situational play for a reason. While 3 point shots are a staple for any team. That's the context. Going off of % is shortsighted

Mitch isn't only finishing off lobs- but you do need to get him the ball down low. We don't seem to exploit his efficiency like we should. And it's not just that he doesn't have post moves or he can't hit free throws.

My argument is Mitch has fantastic hands- he isn't Noel Nerlens who had hands of stone- and he is incredible efficient and he should be featured more to exploit his abilities.

Some of the challenge might be Mitch isn't knowledgeable/skilled enough to read and move without the ball.

And some of it might be our PGs just aren't able to get the ball to him in the lane - though I don't buy that.

But, when JB is in the lane and shooting, he is pretty close to money, so I would agree that it might not be worth the risk to pass it.

There is upside with Mitch for this team on the offensive end, I hope we can move on realizing it soon!

Mitch scores in 3 ways, they are all very high percentage attempts( can't even call them shots because they are not)
1) Lobs
2) Putbacks
3) From the dunker's spot when defenses collapse on someone else in the paint( Randle, Grimes)and he receives a dump off and there is no defender between him and the basket

That's it. There are no other ways that he can score. Dumping the ball onto him in the post will not accomplish anything because not only does he not have any post game, he doesn't have a single post move to score on a defender. He is delusional.

I literally provided videos showing you the bold. He's not asking for Ewing/Embiid touches. The guy runs up and down the court 60x and nobody ever throws him the ball. He said "wtf guys" and fans want to call him delusional. cmon now

This is something that should be talked about with coaches or in a team meeting.

You don't put this out on social media during your team's playoff run when the team is winning.

Hitting 70% of his free throws and developing a go-to money shot in the post would do wonders for his popularity on the offensive end of the court.

Agree. Airing dirty laundry before a playoff run, and after inking a big multi-year contract. Isnt the way to go. Mitch can help his case by showing the same little floater in the paint as iHart.

As I said before, it took a few games for Hartentstein to start hitting those shots. He stuck with it. When has Mitch done that in all the time he was here? No real go to move in the paint. That will get his teammates attention more than desperately tweeting for sympathy.

Look at the play with 6:20 left in the third vs. Portland. Robinson slips a soft screen for RJ, Nurkic and Simons soft double RJ, Mitchell rolls to the hoop with Lillard underneath and RJ passes cross court to Hart in the corner.

Keeping it "in house" would be cornering RJ in the locker room and saying, "all the shit I do for your +/- helping you get the bag and you can't look my way with Nurkic in front of you? WTF man!"

Going to IG was some good shit rather than specifically calling out a teammate.