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Listening to this podcast and Nate has Randle in the tier below Giannis. They don't include guys like KD, Kawhi, AD who are listed at other positions. His partner, Danny Leroux, had Randle high on the tier below. I think their description of Randle's defense was off mark. Danny dinged Randle for his inability to guard on an island, which I don't is the case. Randle does have the ability to guard the perimeter and switch. It's his consistency that is the problem.
The guys they talked about include Lauri, JJJ, Draymond, Pascal, Randle, Zion, Evan Mobley. Zion is a special case. He's clearly above these guys when he plays. But he rarely plays. They also make a case for Lauri over Randle, which I don't agree with. They say Lauri is more flexible offensively, which is true. But I think Randle clearly has a higher impact on the floor and is better defensively. Dray is weird one and, admittedly, I've never been as high on him as others. Personally, I'd rather have Randle in most situations. But there are teams you can argue that Dray would be a better fit. JJJ and Mobley are clearly the best defenders in this group (sorry, think Dray is overrated), but is their defense good enough to make up for their offense. I wouldn't call either one bad on offense, but they're not spectacular.
They also have Pascal edging Randle. I think this close and could either way honestly. How would you guys rank the league's power forwards?
ToddTT@ 3/17/2023 4:56 PM
Julius is #1 if you factor in contracts.
Bang!
BigDaddyG@ 3/17/2023 4:58 PM
ToddTT wrote:Julius is #1 if you factor in contracts.
Bang!
Naw, I'd have to say it's Lauri by that metric.
ramtour420@ 3/17/2023 5:05 PM
When he has the right mindset he is The best power forward in the league. When he gets rattled he is not in the top 10 even. I think that's pretty fair
ToddTT@ 3/17/2023 5:10 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Julius is #1 if you factor in contracts.
Bang!
Naw, I'd have to say it's Lauri by that metric.
You shut your mouth! Julius beats Lauri in assists! And turnovers! Ha!!!
KnickDanger@ 3/17/2023 5:36 PM
Julius…#1 in our hearts….
martin@ 3/17/2023 5:51 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Julius is #1 if you factor in contracts.
Bang!
Naw, I'd have to say it's Lauri by that metric.
Julius is gonna be going on carrying team to 2 playoffs, just saying…
BigDaddyG@ 3/17/2023 6:19 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Julius is #1 if you factor in contracts.
Bang!
Naw, I'd have to say it's Lauri by that metric.
Julius is gonna be going on carrying team to 2 playoffs, just saying…
I'm not saying Lauri is better. Just that Lauri wins if we're measuring production versus current contract. Around $17M per is a steal.
BigDaddyG@ 3/17/2023 6:21 PM
ramtour420 wrote:When he has the right mindset he is The best power forward in the league. When he gets rattled he is not in the top 10 even. I think that's pretty fair
I'd still Giannis over Julius at his best. But everyone else is fair game.
HofstraBBall@ 3/17/2023 6:36 PM
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I'd say number 2. Lauri is a better shooter, but that works out to the same scoring on 1.5 less shots per game. Randle is a better rebounder but where he really shines is in points garnered off assists, free throws drawn, and durability.
I'd say he beats out Siakam based on team success. Raptors have seemingly a better team than NY but they haven't been able to win consistently.
Draymond is great but his inability to score and durability also put him below Randle.
Zion has averaged 30 games a season so any value he provides is still theoretical.
franco12@ 3/17/2023 10:37 PM
I am picking him #2 if I am starting an expansion team. Gianis is a clear #1.
Someone like Lebron, for as great as he still is, I would be concerned now about his availability.
Same with Durant.
ESOMKnicks@ 3/18/2023 5:16 AM
I would trade him for Mobley in a hypothetical case. Youth rules.
But for not Zion. I always thought Zion was overrated and was kind of glad we only got the #3 pick to get RJ.
ramtour420@ 3/18/2023 5:54 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:When he has the right mindset he is The best power forward in the league. When he gets rattled he is not in the top 10 even. I think that's pretty fair
I'd still Giannis over Julius at his best. But everyone else is fair game.
They are close but I like Julius' shooting better. Free throws and the 3point
BigDaddyG@ 3/18/2023 1:16 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:When he has the right mindset he is The best power forward in the league. When he gets rattled he is not in the top 10 even. I think that's pretty fair
I'd still Giannis over Julius at his best. But everyone else is fair game.
They are close but I like Julius' shooting better. Free throws and the 3point
I can't say they are close. The Freak is arguably the best player in the league. Remember this?
EwingsGlass@ 3/19/2023 8:18 PM
It’s a tough position, particularly when you add in hybrids. Randle has been healthier than most, and that has to count for something. Randle is having a hell of a season. If you start discounting talent in favor of actually playing in games, you have an argument for 2nd team All NBA.
1) Giannis 2) Durant 3) Davis 4)Zion 5)Randle 6)KAT 7)Sabonis 8)Siakam 9)JJJ 10) Markannen 11) Porzingis 12) George
BigDaddyG@ 3/19/2023 8:28 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:It’s a tough position, particularly when you add in hybrids. Randle has been healthier than most, and that has to count for something. Randle is having a hell of a season. If you start discounting talent in favor of actually playing in games, you have an argument for 2nd team All NBA.
1) Giannis 2) Durant 3) Davis 4)Zion 5)Randle 6)KAT 7)Sabonis 8)Siakam 9)JJJ 10) Markannen 11) Porzingis 12) George
You're right. Personally, I excluded guys like Durant, Davis, George, Kawhi and Sabonis 5his season because I didn't consider them PFs, but hybrids. I don't have Kat that high this season because of the availability issue. Also, he's putrid on defense.
technomaster@ 3/19/2023 11:04 PM
Durability is something not factored in major awards. I find it laughable that Giannis and Embiid are among the top contenders and have missed 20% or so of their games.
I suppose it’s worth noting that at least in some stats, they still have higher totals than Randle (for example, Jokic has many more assists in spite of fewer games.
Thinking in terms of all NBA teams, it’d be remiss if the voters didn’t factor games played.
This year, I’d say: Sabonis and Randle at the top of the list. Sabonis basically is the main hall distributor on the Kings and is a killer rebounder. I think he may already have had a better NBA career than his dad and is picking away at career achievements.
These next guys have missed in the neighborhood of 10-15% of their games. Markkanen Siakim
How do you rank Giannis? He has played 55/70 games - basically 21% missed. But he’s so awesome that his team mostly wins when he plays and you have a clear comparison of how the team does without him.
NYKMentality@ 3/19/2023 11:05 PM
I mean, if you...
A.) Win the NBA's Most Improved Player Award during the same season you...
B.) Led New York Knicks to the Playoffs for the 1st time in 7 years while...
C.) Making an NBA All-Star Game 2/3 years @ only 26 & 28 years old?
🚨ALONG WITH NBA HISTORY?🚨
Julius Randle's the 1st Player within NBA History to (ever) Record within the same single season...
🔹1,800+ Points 🔸725+ Rebounds 🔹250+ Assists 🔸200+ Made 3's.
Those numbers (with still another 10 games remaining) don't even look, REAL.
His 2022-2023 All-Star Season is (much) better than 2020-2021's All-Star year within just about every single statistical category known to 🏀 mankind.
He's 100% a top 1-2 NBA PF.
Greek Freak plays 50% of his NBA Career @ PF. Julius Randle is a natural PF @ over 80+% @ PF.
If the Knicks advance deep into the Playoffs? Julius Randle's 2022-2023 season goes down as both better than Melo's 2012-2013 and also an All-Time Legendary Knicks season what this guy is doing to the NBA @ 28 is incredible.
No way 2022-2023 Knicks are a tank team without Jalen Brunson. Not with Julius Randle playing this insane. If 2019-2020 made Playoffs so would 2022-2023. Jalen Brunson is what makes us true NBA CONTENDERS alongside of Julius Randle.
NYKMentality@ 3/19/2023 11:25 PM
Only 5 Knicks (within 77 years of NYC Franchise History) have ever scored 2,000+ Points (during the same season).
And Julius Randle is on the verge of becoming only the 6th (to ever do it for us).
1.) Patrick Ewing = 2x. 1989-1990 (2,347 Points) and 1990-1991 (2,154 Points).
2.) Richie Guerin = 1x. 1961-1962 (2,303 Points).
3.) Carmelo Anthony = 1x. 2013-2014 (2,112 Points).
4.) Bob McAdoo = 1x. 1977-78. (2,097 Points).
5.) Bernard King = 1x. 1983-1984 (2,027 Points).
Julius Randle is currently @ 1,812 Points.
With another 10 freaking games to go!
He's currently averaging 25.2 Points Per Game.
If Julius Randle averages his current average of 25.2 Points Per Game? During the next 10 Games?
2,064 (5th All-Time!!!!!)
I'm personally hoping he scores another 301 Points to pass MELO 3rd All-Time @ 30.1 PPG (might just happen).
I wanted to create a thread about this but I don't myself. Nah. Not yet man. Gotta wait until the night he breaks that 2,000+ Point Record (ANY DAY NOW)
ramtour420@ 3/20/2023 5:27 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:When he has the right mindset he is The best power forward in the league. When he gets rattled he is not in the top 10 even. I think that's pretty fair
I'd still Giannis over Julius at his best. But everyone else is fair game.
They are close but I like Julius' shooting better. Free throws and the 3point
I can't say they are close. The Freak is arguably the best player in the league. Remember this?
Yes, I remember 😊. Gianni's best season was 2 years ago, when he was 26. He has been on a downtrend of his career for two years now, evidenced by his FG%(58 two years ago, then>56>now it's 54) and his eFG% also(60>58>56). For Randle those numbers are the highest in the last 3 years, so he is trending up this year. Fg% 46, eFG %53. One could argue that Giannis' numbers are still better but for me Randle gets his in ISO, which is harder and Randle is a better shooter. Long 2s and 3s. If you take their contracts into consideration it also has an effect on their position if we use " best" or " not best" classification. So while it's easy to argue that Giannis is number one I don't think you can say that it's not close. Another thing I said specifically about Randle being #1 when his mental state is right. He has an incredible impact on the team at those times
