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SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

fitzfarm wrote:I think it’s pretty clear The only reason obi isn’t averaging over 20pts 6 boards and 3 assists on 30 min a game . Is because of Randal.

Obi could easily start on a lot of teams in the NBA so yeah without a doubt obi is gonna want to be paid and rightfully so.

When Randal is healthy thibs screws Obi on minutes what player that’s used to starting his whole life can turn things on in 6 min or less in each half? Answer Not many… so I don’t think the 12 min a game obi is the same player as the obi that gets 30+ min a game .

If this is true, and it might be then there should be a robust market for him this offseason.
If he can "easily start on a lot of teams" perhaps you can offer few scenarios were they need player with his skills over what they have?
If so, we should get a reasonable pick in return. WE can't keep every young player.
I like Obi, I'd like for him to have a bigger role. But there are things........

GustavBahler wrote:

TPercy wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

What skill does Obi offer that warrants starter minutes. He's an average at best defender and shooter and dosen't have a bag. He's just a good transition threat to have on the team who can pass well.

Has been showing a halfcourt game as a starter. Didnt get all those buckets in transition. Does this whenever he gets some extended PT, and isnt consigned to the corner. Obi's performance as a starter is looking less and less like a fluke.

Maybe its been growing but at 25 years old you'd expect a starter to be more fleshed out. I like Obi, I think he'll grow in his backup capacity here but I'm not going overboard to keep him here.

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

Well, good news is fans aren't the only ones who do not see him in practice. Every GM in the NBA also do not see him in practice. So I understand your point, but the main strategy is asset management. And since Obi has been killing when he gets more minutes. And all GMs know that Thibs is set on his key favorites. Lets hope these GMs are looking at Obi from an optimistic view so that we can receive some value for him. Thats whats important.

Why Obi not playing as much? Because he's a PF (not a SF or Center), playing behind another PF who's also not a SF or Center. Plus that PF is a 2x all star. Grimes was playing behind EF whos not an All Star and doesnt play defense. IQ was playing behind Burks. If you think Obi is a scrub, fine. But the goal is to improve the team. And if you have to play Obi for 30+ mins to see his value, then Thibs did a great job increasing his value by giving him those minutes. Now it's up to the GMs to bite on Obi's potential in a different system with more minutes.

I agree, it's a stretch to compare to JB. But the comparison I believe he's making is both were bench players that only needed an opportunity to shine. JB got that going from a bench player to a starter. Obi has the potential to go from a bench player with the knicks to a better system that fits his skill set as a starter or more minutes off the bench.

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

Well, good news is fans aren't the only ones who do not see him in practice. Every GM in the NBA also do not see him in practice. So I understand your point, but the main strategy is asset management. And since Obi has been killing when he gets more minutes. And all GMs know that Thibs is set on his key favorites. Lets hope these GMs are looking at Obi from an optimistic view so that we can receive some value for him. Thats whats important.

Why Obi not playing as much? Because he's a PF (not a SF or Center), playing behind another PF who's also not a SF or Center. Plus that PF is a 2x all star. Grimes was playing behind EF whos not an All Star and doesnt play defense. IQ was playing behind Burks. If you think Obi is a scrub, fine. But the goal is to improve the team. And if you have to play Obi for 30+ mins to see his value, then Thibs did a great job increasing his value by giving him those minutes. Now it's up to the GMs to bite on Obi's potential in a different system with more minutes.

I agree, it's a stretch to compare to JB. But the comparison I believe he's making is both were bench players that only needed an opportunity to shine. JB got that going from a bench player to a starter. Obi has the potential to go from a bench player with the knicks to a better system that fits his skill set as a starter or more minutes off the bench.

the bold... pretty sure the coach is gonna say "really cause I thought the main strategy was to WIN"

This is a playoff team, and while player development is surely important it is NOT gonna come at the expense of winning or the minutes of a 2x all star helping you get those wins.

Obi's best path to minutes on this team is SF. He shoots the 3 well enough and doesnt defend any worse than RJ.

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

Well, good news is fans aren't the only ones who do not see him in practice. Every GM in the NBA also do not see him in practice. So I understand your point, but the main strategy is asset management. And since Obi has been killing when he gets more minutes. And all GMs know that Thibs is set on his key favorites. Lets hope these GMs are looking at Obi from an optimistic view so that we can receive some value for him. Thats whats important.

Why Obi not playing as much? Because he's a PF (not a SF or Center), playing behind another PF who's also not a SF or Center. Plus that PF is a 2x all star. Grimes was playing behind EF whos not an All Star and doesnt play defense. IQ was playing behind Burks. If you think Obi is a scrub, fine. But the goal is to improve the team. And if you have to play Obi for 30+ mins to see his value, then Thibs did a great job increasing his value by giving him those minutes. Now it's up to the GMs to bite on Obi's potential in a different system with more minutes.

I agree, it's a stretch to compare to JB. But the comparison I believe he's making is both were bench players that only needed an opportunity to shine. JB got that going from a bench player to a starter. Obi has the potential to go from a bench player with the knicks to a better system that fits his skill set as a starter or more minutes off the bench.

the bold... pretty sure the coach is gonna say "really cause I thought the main strategy was to WIN"

This is a playoff team, and while player development is surely important it is NOT gonna come at the expense of winning or the minutes of a 2x all star helping you get those wins.

Obi's best path to minutes on this team is SF. He shoots the 3 well enough and doesnt defend any worse than RJ.

I used to think it was all about winning, but clearly Thibs has proved me wrong and done a great job balancing between Winning and Developing.

Playing SF is a popular option. But seems like Thibs prefer to keep him at PF at 12mins per. Obi and his agent will have to make a decision. Meanwhile I'm sure the FO will jump at the best offer.

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

Obi isn’t getting minutes because of Randle. And he is not a SF. He could play some C but thibs system requires defensive rim protecting Centers

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Obi is a good young player that isn't getting enough minutes here. That isn't going to suppress his value. Someone will see what he has done when given a chance and pay him. That people can't recognize blows my mind--especially when this is exactly how we got Brunson

My question is why isn't he getting the minutes?
Grimes does. IQ does. MR did.
For me, it's more of a faith of our coaching staff and a more realistic view of what goes on in practices. That and that fans don't seem to want to admit that he just is not as good as touted. Obi, at this point, is a one dimensional player. Coaches see the whole picture and know how a players affects winning. They look at intangibles and all around game. Fans are more concerned about their hope and focus on highlights that reinforce that hope.
Disagree that Obi is anything close to a JB example. JB led his team when Star was down and facilitated an entire offense. He also proved to be a big game player in the playoffs. He was a great example of efficiency and contributor to winning. I like Obi, but he has yet to do that.
I do agree that he would have a better chance of proving he is more but elsewhere. I have been
Wrong before but like Frank, his limitations are obvious and are ones I don't see him improving.
He was my pick in the draft but now has the game to be a solid role player. He is worth as much as any other draft disappointment that teams feel they can resurrect. A lot of those floating around.
We have had our share in recent years.

Well, good news is fans aren't the only ones who do not see him in practice. Every GM in the NBA also do not see him in practice. So I understand your point, but the main strategy is asset management. And since Obi has been killing when he gets more minutes. And all GMs know that Thibs is set on his key favorites. Lets hope these GMs are looking at Obi from an optimistic view so that we can receive some value for him. Thats whats important.

Why Obi not playing as much? Because he's a PF (not a SF or Center), playing behind another PF who's also not a SF or Center. Plus that PF is a 2x all star. Grimes was playing behind EF whos not an All Star and doesnt play defense. IQ was playing behind Burks. If you think Obi is a scrub, fine. But the goal is to improve the team. And if you have to play Obi for 30+ mins to see his value, then Thibs did a great job increasing his value by giving him those minutes. Now it's up to the GMs to bite on Obi's potential in a different system with more minutes.

I agree, it's a stretch to compare to JB. But the comparison I believe he's making is both were bench players that only needed an opportunity to shine. JB got that going from a bench player to a starter. Obi has the potential to go from a bench player with the knicks to a better system that fits his skill set as a starter or more minutes off the bench.

the bold... pretty sure the coach is gonna say "really cause I thought the main strategy was to WIN"

This is a playoff team, and while player development is surely important it is NOT gonna come at the expense of winning or the minutes of a 2x all star helping you get those wins.

Obi's best path to minutes on this team is SF. He shoots the 3 well enough and doesnt defend any worse than RJ.

Yes - this 100%!!