Knicks · Zion available? (page 7)
EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
EwingPSD wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
The "serious injury" question is kind of an if not when for me. Guys that are 280lbs tend to have problems with their knees, back and feet. The torn meniscus and the foot fracture are both potential symptoms of weight based issues. So, yeah, he hasn't been paralyzed from the waist down, but he is showing the issues that are predictable. He also demonstrates a slow recovery timeline when it comes to rehab and conditioning. The risk/reward is exceptionally high. But, my concern is his weight going forward more than his injury history.
EwingsGlass wrote:EwingPSD wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
The "serious injury" question is kind of an if not when for me. Guys that are 280lbs tend to have problems with their knees, back and feet. The torn meniscus and the foot fracture are both potential symptoms of weight based issues. So, yeah, he hasn't been paralyzed from the waist down, but he is showing the issues that are predictable. He also demonstrates a slow recovery timeline when it comes to rehab and conditioning. The risk/reward is exceptionally high. But, my concern is his weight going forward more than his injury history.
you have very legit concerns, I would hope for this young kids career he gets very involved with the best trainers and keeps it under control for the most part.
there has been heavier in NBA history and for my memory only one guy kept himself on the court with lengivity, was Shaq who was over 350 if I recall right. But two different games and Zion actually plays more of a point forward power game so if i'm him i'd be tied to the hip with a the best trainers I can find.
Not sure if many remember kevin Duckworth but he was over 300 pounds and I know he got most improved and at least one allstar appearance but he always had weight issues and I don't recall how he wound up but I believe he had a big dip in his game because of his weight.
It is a real concern but it's quite different today then back in the 90's, so hopefully Zion can use technology and more to stay healthy.
stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:EwingPSD wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
The "serious injury" question is kind of an if not when for me. Guys that are 280lbs tend to have problems with their knees, back and feet. The torn meniscus and the foot fracture are both potential symptoms of weight based issues. So, yeah, he hasn't been paralyzed from the waist down, but he is showing the issues that are predictable. He also demonstrates a slow recovery timeline when it comes to rehab and conditioning. The risk/reward is exceptionally high. But, my concern is his weight going forward more than his injury history.
you have very legit concerns, I would hope for this young kids career he gets very involved with the best trainers and keeps it under control for the most part.
there has been heavier in NBA history and for my memory only one guy kept himself on the court with lengivity, was Shaq who was over 350 if I recall right. But two different games and Zion actually plays more of a point forward power game so if i'm him i'd be tied to the hip with a the best trainers I can find.
Not sure if many remember kevin Duckworth but he was over 300 pounds and I know he got most improved and at least one allstar appearance but he always had weight issues and I don't recall how he wound up but I believe he had a big dip in his game because of his weight.
It is a real concern but it's quite different today then back in the 90's, so hopefully Zion can use technology and more to stay healthy.
Earlier in this thread I made a list of some well known players who ate themselves out of the league or probably had their careers shortened because of their weight (like Eddy Curry, Mel "Dinner Bell" Turpin, John "Hot Plate" Williams - Duckworth certainly belongs). Of course the jury is out on Zion and his ceiling is much much higher but to say his weight isn't a concern would be big time denial. That's without taking all the other red flags into account.
And as we all continue to "weigh' in on this topic, it seems to me there is really no disagreement that acquiring him would be a gamble, but the talent is beyond intriguing and the only reason he would be available is because of the red flags. It's just a matter of cost and if you think it's worth it. I suspect the price would be very high, at least for now. For it to lower he would probably have to continue in the wrong direction which would increase concerns. Although my first reaction is to stay away, if some kind of deal were made I would have to have some excitement.
Not looking as if this would happen any time soon, but not much else to talk about right now!
KnickDanger wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:EwingPSD wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
The "serious injury" question is kind of an if not when for me. Guys that are 280lbs tend to have problems with their knees, back and feet. The torn meniscus and the foot fracture are both potential symptoms of weight based issues. So, yeah, he hasn't been paralyzed from the waist down, but he is showing the issues that are predictable. He also demonstrates a slow recovery timeline when it comes to rehab and conditioning. The risk/reward is exceptionally high. But, my concern is his weight going forward more than his injury history.
you have very legit concerns, I would hope for this young kids career he gets very involved with the best trainers and keeps it under control for the most part.
there has been heavier in NBA history and for my memory only one guy kept himself on the court with lengivity, was Shaq who was over 350 if I recall right. But two different games and Zion actually plays more of a point forward power game so if i'm him i'd be tied to the hip with a the best trainers I can find.
Not sure if many remember kevin Duckworth but he was over 300 pounds and I know he got most improved and at least one allstar appearance but he always had weight issues and I don't recall how he wound up but I believe he had a big dip in his game because of his weight.
It is a real concern but it's quite different today then back in the 90's, so hopefully Zion can use technology and more to stay healthy.
Earlier in this thread I made a list of some well known players who ate themselves out of the league or probably had their careers shortened because of their weight (like Eddy Curry, Mel "Dinner Bell" Turpin, John "Hot Plate" Williams - Duckworth certainly belongs). Of course the jury is out on Zion and his ceiling is much much higher but to say his weight isn't a concern would be big time denial. That's without taking all the other red flags into account.
And as we all continue to "weigh' in on this topic, it seems to me there is really no disagreement that acquiring him would be a gamble, but the talent is beyond intriguing and the only reason he would be available is because of the red flags. It's just a matter of cost and if you think it's worth it. I suspect the price would be very high, at least for now. For it to lower he would probably have to continue in the wrong direction which would increase concerns. Although my first reaction is to stay away, if some kind of deal were made I would have to have some excitement.
Not looking as if this would happen any time soon, but not much else to talk about right now!
No reference to Jerome James?
stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
Yeah but the tv ratings we would get for ESPN/ABC would be off the charts. They would be able to rehire Max Kellerman
Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
Yeah but the tv ratings we would get for ESPN/ABC would be off the charts. They would be able to rehire Max Kellerman
If the teams wins we will see huge ratings. Don't need Zion for that
stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:EwingPSD wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
I don't think it as risky as people think. At least not if you think the goal is to win a title. He's never had a serious injury and he's 22. I think he could have played last year but he pulled a KL with his "sore hamstring". At some point he is going to play basketball. when he does the team ceiling is winning it all for the first time since Ewing. He's a douche. I understand not wanting him for that reason. You don't have a guaranteed floor b/c he probably will significant time at some point. I understand a team not liking that fact. You still are giving yourself a legit chance at being real contenders.
The "serious injury" question is kind of an if not when for me. Guys that are 280lbs tend to have problems with their knees, back and feet. The torn meniscus and the foot fracture are both potential symptoms of weight based issues. So, yeah, he hasn't been paralyzed from the waist down, but he is showing the issues that are predictable. He also demonstrates a slow recovery timeline when it comes to rehab and conditioning. The risk/reward is exceptionally high. But, my concern is his weight going forward more than his injury history.
you have very legit concerns, I would hope for this young kids career he gets very involved with the best trainers and keeps it under control for the most part.
there has been heavier in NBA history and for my memory only one guy kept himself on the court with lengivity, was Shaq who was over 350 if I recall right. But two different games and Zion actually plays more of a point forward power game so if i'm him i'd be tied to the hip with a the best trainers I can find.
Not sure if many remember kevin Duckworth but he was over 300 pounds and I know he got most improved and at least one allstar appearance but he always had weight issues and I don't recall how he wound up but I believe he had a big dip in his game because of his weight.
It is a real concern but it's quite different today then back in the 90's, so hopefully Zion can use technology and more to stay healthy.
If I remember right Duck's career fell off after a wrist injury. He high point was short lived. I'm sure his weight/mobility limited him as well
Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
This reminds ne a little of Kadarius Toney. Gives you drama and excuses, gets traded and makes 1 big catch and 1 big punt return and you win a Super Bowl. Shows up the next season and gets injured 5 minutes into training camp.
Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
I remember him playing huge mins in B2B2B games to win the ACC coming off a foot injury and doing it when he had the #1 pick sewed up. I am sure he was strongly encouraged to sit the rest of the year. He's a douche and his priorities have gotten screwed up but I am pretty sure he'll realize his time at this level it limited. I believe guys don't often get to his level without some of love of the game.
Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:stillafan wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you read articles about Leon Rose's plans since being hired. It been mostly about being patient, and waiting for a disgruntled star to ask and agree to be traded to the Knicks.But Rose cant seem to hit the daily double. Talk to a team with a disgruntled star who wants a trade, and to the Knicks. Maybe some were who were available, who were also bad from a fit, or positional perspective. Or way too expensive.
Whatever the reason, Rose hasnt been very lucky. Fortunately he didnt focus just on that aspect of his plan. Or we wouldnt have the assets to make a deal.
Trading for Zion is a big risk. But if Leon was going to roll the dice, and his NBA exec career on a player with a long history of injuries, he's the one.
The multi-generational talent who looks like he's having a bad time. Because of his long time dream of playing for the Knicks, at MSG, never happened. If anything will give Zion laser like focus (or ballpark lol) a trade to the Knicks would be it.
If it turned out to be a bad idea, I would be glad that Rose swung for the fences instead of a gamble on an aging star who has missed many games as well. Like Paul George.
Every argument made about why this is a bad idea is going to be right when it comes to risk/reward. I cant blame anyone for being 100 percent against this.
But if Zion pulled it together, we would have some amazing years ahead of us as Knicks fans. That's a risk I'd like to see Leon take.
That’s pretty well put. Any generational talent that wants to come to the Knicks at a price we are willing to pay is gonna have a question mark attached for some reason. Having a bad troll war with a pornstar is probably the best kind of problem to inherit.
BUT. I’m good with Brunson. Keep building his team. Figure out how to get Mikal across the bridge. This team has solid upside. I’m good to keep working the incremental growth.
I agree with both of you, I don't see it happening but what a high reward if he can stay on the court. Could be the Villy/Dukes lol, or somehow get Mikal, the Villy's.
Zion has appeared in as many games so far in his career as Greg Oden
Why would a player at this point put it all together ? Zion seems to me to be a little like Karl Pavano and a little like Eddy Curry, rich beyond belief, while playing very little. Already hit the lotto, won't be driven to do the work. The wealth is already arrived. Like the song " Money for Nothing and your chicks for free " Working hard now seems to defeat the purpose
Yeah but the tv ratings we would get for ESPN/ABC would be off the charts. They would be able to rehire Max Kellerman
If the teams wins we will see huge ratings. Don't need Zion for that
Yes but Zion in the NY market is a special combination. Disney/ABC execs are desperate to see it happen but luckily we have solid management in place plus the pelicans know Randle and probably have zero interest