Knicks · 2024 draft thread/Summer Offseason (page 46)

LivingLegend @ 6/28/2024 11:20 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Knicks North makes a deal with Knicks South. Grimes to Dallas for Hardaway

What the hell is Detroit doing?

They take a young tough defender with solid 3/D potential and move him for multiple 2nds and Tim Fing Hardaway.

In the process they allow Dallas to open up full mLE for D Jones re-sign. And Dallas adds another wing defender.

newyorknewyork @ 6/28/2024 11:22 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Probably the funniest and most entertaining draft with all the trades.

I like the Kolek pick. He was at the top of my list based on the late and very little research I did. He plays like a Thibs type and has the skillset with the passing that we needed off the bench.

Did no research on Dadiet, McCullers or Hukporti. But Dadiet's highlights are impressive. He looks as talented as any of the lotto wings. He is a perfect wing to stash away overseas or in Westchester until he is ready. Going up against Hart, OG and Bridges in practice is a great way to learn too.

And the other two guys were picked in the 50s so it's whatever.

All I have is questions. Kolek means we don’t bring over Joku? Then what do we do with Joku?
Dadiet? Need more info.
McCullers defensive SG with no offensive game?
Hukporti?

All those trade backs. Probably should have additional consideration, no? What’s the additional consideration?

I guess Kolek could result in Joku being added to a trade (implications are fuzzy) or staying in Europe. I believe Kolek will be on roster as experienced 23 year old college starter.

I think McCullers has some offense but needs to put in the proverbial 1,000 3’s a day and likely tweak his form. See Trevor Ariza.

Have to assume Dadiet cap hit is going to be moved somehow - not sure if staying overseas is only option but he can’t sit all year on bench and we need his $ for other moves.

Hukporti I’ll be surprised if he ever plays a second but still unclear why we moved down an inch to pick up P Koponen 36 year old rights.

I don't feel they drafted Dadiet with the intentions to move him, or it would have been done already. Dadiet also made it very known his desire to stay with the club that drafted him leading up to the draft. Odds are he gets his work in the G league and the Knicks accounted for his salary when crunching.

LivingLegend @ 6/28/2024 11:22 AM
VDesai wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:IQ just got 5 years 175m. Boom. Love ya Quick.

Man really proud of him. Now is anyone still puking up that OG contract? Now we know the market

That was my 1st thought - to compare IQ to OG.

Personally I’ve always felt IQ was highly overrated and to pay him $35M a year to dribble hell out of ball is WOW for me.

VDesai @ 6/28/2024 11:39 AM
IQ obviously gonna play lead guard for Toronto and expand his playmaking. For the role NYK had for him, Deuce did a great job of approximating the scoring and defense (in some ways upgraded the defense and 3 point shooting, though less dribble penetration/playmaking) and is locked in at 4mm per year. That's just crazy savvy by the Knicks.
EwingsGlass @ 6/28/2024 11:46 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Probably the funniest and most entertaining draft with all the trades.

I like the Kolek pick. He was at the top of my list based on the late and very little research I did. He plays like a Thibs type and has the skillset with the passing that we needed off the bench.

Did no research on Dadiet, McCullers or Hukporti. But Dadiet's highlights are impressive. He looks as talented as any of the lotto wings. He is a perfect wing to stash away overseas or in Westchester until he is ready. Going up against Hart, OG and Bridges in practice is a great way to learn too.

And the other two guys were picked in the 50s so it's whatever.

All I have is questions. Kolek means we don’t bring over Joku? Then what do we do with Joku?
Dadiet? Need more info.
McCullers defensive SG with no offensive game?
Hukporti?

All those trade backs. Probably should have additional consideration, no? What’s the additional consideration?

I guess Kolek could result in Joku being added to a trade (implications are fuzzy) or staying in Europe. I believe Kolek will be on roster as experienced 23 year old college starter.

I think McCullers has some offense but needs to put in the proverbial 1,000 3’s a day and likely tweak his form. See Trevor Ariza.

Have to assume Dadiet cap hit is going to be moved somehow - not sure if staying overseas is only option but he can’t sit all year on bench and we need his $ for other moves.

Hukporti I’ll be surprised if he ever plays a second but still unclear why we moved down an inch to pick up P Koponen 36 year old rights.

I don't feel they drafted Dadiet with the intentions to move him, or it would have been done already. Dadiet also made it very known his desire to stay with the club that drafted him leading up to the draft. Odds are he gets his work in the G league and the Knicks accounted for his salary when crunching.

Occam’s Razor agrees with you. Feel like they got what they wanted for the most part and pivoted where players were taken ahead of their projected draft value.

BigDaddyG @ 6/28/2024 12:24 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:McCullar kind of reminds me of Josh. I think he is a very good pull late in the second. Still doubt he makes the team tho.

Two way slots.

Second round exceptions also. My thing is that I'm not sure he's good enough. This isn't the Fizdsle Knicks we're dealing with anymore. Would you say McCullar is slightly below where Dame Dotson was as a prospect when he was drafted?

What are the different financial implications between using a 2nd round exception (which I believe equates to either a 3 or 4 year minimum deal) or fitting player in as a 2-way slot?


Two ways don't count against the cap, but there are obvious limitations with games played, playoff eligibility etc. Second round exceptions are legit roster spots. Once a player signs, you can do whatever you want with them. It also won't count against the cap until August, giving the team enough time to work out it's financial situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/hoop...
martin @ 6/28/2024 12:30 PM
BigDaddyG @ 6/28/2024 12:37 PM
martin wrote:

New York Knicks
Below the tax: $4 million

Below the first apron: $9.3 million

Note: New York is hard capped at the first apron

The trade to acquire Mikal Bridges now hard caps New York at the $178.8 million first apron. The Knicks now have $43 million in flexibility to re-sign OG Anunoby and then fill out the rest of the roster. Barring another trade, free agent Isaiah Hartenstein could be a roster casualty.

Free agents who fit: Isaiah Hartenstein, De'Anthony Melton, Bruce Brown Jr., Josh Richardson, Max Christie, Royce O'Neale, Saddiq Bey, Isaac Okoro, Naji Marshall, Kelly Oubre Jr., Haywood Highsmith, Joe Ingles, Patrick Williams, Trendon Watford, Jaxson Hayes, Chuma Okeke, Cole Swider, Vlatko Cancar, Bol Bol, Luke Kornet, Goga Bitadze, Mo Wagner and Daniel Theis

Who returns/joins: Julius Randle, Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, Donte DiVincenzo, Miles McBride, Mikal Bridges, Precious Achiuwa (qualifying offer), Jericho Sims (team option), and Pacome Dadiet

Key free agents: Isaiah Hartenstein and Precious Achiuwa

Who might be gone: Alec Burks, Precious Achiuwa, Mamadi Diakite (waived), DaQuan Jeffries (team option declined) and Shake Milton

martin @ 6/28/2024 1:42 PM
Garrett2010PSD @ 6/28/2024 1:44 PM
Yeah that Detroit trade was horrible. No wonder they are the worst team in the league.

They deserve to be bad.

EwingsGlass @ 6/28/2024 1:57 PM
Garrett2010PSD wrote:Yeah that Detroit trade was horrible. No wonder they are the worst team in the league.

They deserve to be bad.

I hope they are end of the lottery bad. Hardaway might help them be late lottery bad.

EwingsGlass @ 6/28/2024 2:01 PM
martin wrote:

I mean, while I would grab him, if he is turning down 5.4m, what are we able to offer that is competitive with that?

BigDaddyG @ 6/28/2024 2:03 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:

I mean, while I would grab him, if he is turning down 5.4m, what are we able to offer that is competitive with that?

Agree. Might be time to start queueing up those Andre Drummond highlights.

Garrett2010PSD @ 6/28/2024 2:18 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:

I mean, while I would grab him, if he is turning down 5.4m, what are we able to offer that is competitive with that?

Agree. Might be time to start queueing up those Andre Drummond highlights.

Knicks should be all over Drummond if he comes cheap.

Chandler @ 6/28/2024 2:21 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:

I mean, while I would grab him, if he is turning down 5.4m, what are we able to offer that is competitive with that?

Agree. Might be time to start queueing up those Andre Drummond highlights.

isn't drummond worse than Mitch at FT%?

We need a guy who isn't a complete liability at the end of a game

VDesai @ 6/28/2024 2:22 PM
Goga is kind of Hartenstein light. His November/December numbers when the Magic needed to play him are excellent. Roughly 8 pts 7 rebs with 2 assists 2 blocks in 22-23 min per night. Still only 24 yrs old. He'd be my fallback.
EwingsGlass @ 6/28/2024 2:40 PM
VDesai wrote:Goga is kind of Hartenstein light. His November/December numbers when the Magic needed to play him are excellent. Roughly 8 pts 7 rebs with 2 assists 2 blocks in 22-23 min per night. Still only 24 yrs old. He'd be my fallback.

This. Though I might be convinced to take a flyer on Wiseman if Thibs thinks he can fix him.

martin @ 6/28/2024 2:44 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
VDesai wrote:Goga is kind of Hartenstein light. His November/December numbers when the Magic needed to play him are excellent. Roughly 8 pts 7 rebs with 2 assists 2 blocks in 22-23 min per night. Still only 24 yrs old. He'd be my fallback.

This. Though I might be convinced to take a flyer on Wiseman if Thibs thinks he can fix him.

Knicks would look for a proven commodity for their playoff team, Wiseman is not in that world.

EwingsGlass @ 6/28/2024 2:47 PM
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
VDesai wrote:Goga is kind of Hartenstein light. His November/December numbers when the Magic needed to play him are excellent. Roughly 8 pts 7 rebs with 2 assists 2 blocks in 22-23 min per night. Still only 24 yrs old. He'd be my fallback.

This. Though I might be convinced to take a flyer on Wiseman if Thibs thinks he can fix him.

Knicks would look for a proven commodity for their playoff team, Wiseman is not in that world.

Beggars can't be choosers.

gradyandrew @ 6/28/2024 2:51 PM
Bulls center Andre Drummond
Any team that needs a rugged interior presence -- particularly on the glass -- would be smart to sign Drummond, who has led the league in offensive rebounding percentage for each of the past two seasons among players who logged 60 appearances.

The 2023-24 campaign marked Drummond's most efficient season, from a per-minute win-share perspective, in five years. The big man, who turns 31 in August, was excellent in rim protection, too, holding opposing shooters more than 3 percentage points beneath their averages around the basket, and had highly active hands on that end of the floor. Only Kelly Olynyk and Victor Wembanyama deflected more passes per minute among NBA centers.

It seems like there's a lot to like with Drummond. He's earned 140 million in his career but played the past two seasons on minimum deals. He's always been a good passer as well. Maybe winning in New York means something to him. He's from Mt. Vernon too.

martin @ 6/28/2024 2:52 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
VDesai wrote:Goga is kind of Hartenstein light. His November/December numbers when the Magic needed to play him are excellent. Roughly 8 pts 7 rebs with 2 assists 2 blocks in 22-23 min per night. Still only 24 yrs old. He'd be my fallback.

This. Though I might be convinced to take a flyer on Wiseman if Thibs thinks he can fix him.

Knicks would look for a proven commodity for their playoff team, Wiseman is not in that world.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Knicks aren’t in a begging position, quite the opposite.

They turned second round, no college, barely any basketball skill Mitch into a beast. They turned iHart into a more that $17M per beast within 2 years although he had a ton going for him already, but it was all on the offensive side of things.

That backup center position for the Knicks is a goldmine for the right player, especially knowing their coaching and culture. Goga will send all his family and his relatives to block any other center from even getting a whiff of a chance.

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