djsunyc wrote:not sure how many here have been following this guy but he's been tweeting alot of stuff before woj/shams that's turned out to be true (tho he has some misses). he claims he's a former agent with alot of connections.he was initially this: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes20
then woj actually got him banned so he set up 2 other ones:
https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50 and a backup account: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes55
in terms of knicks and raptors stuff, here's what he has to say:
it's offseason so i figure it's fun to play along...
Ideally speaking, what do you see as a Siakam return? What is Masai looking for?
And can he play SF?
LivingLegend wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Grant Williams for the BAE, come on make it happen. Then include him in a trade
lol you aren't making this palpable for Grant. Make the second part secret!
Offer him the BAE or do a sign and trade using the TPE and two second rounders for a 2 year 16 million deal, second year Player option. He has a one year deal with the opportunity build his value. He may have more time to play behind Randall then Obi did because he is a 3 and D, 4. I would atleast try if not try the same offer for PJ Washington.
I'd love to add Williams but not clear how we would do that considering he won't take that BAE if we can still offer him that and the Celtic's would want some value in return for him.
Say $10M is the range for Williams - maybe that's way low but I don't think it's way high as a starting point for him but who do we trade to Boston in S/T?
Maybe they could see some value in a Fournier return but he makes $18M and don't think Boston would value him as fair return for Williams.
If not Evan - who else can we send or would we want to send for Williams? Can S/T be a 3-team deal?
Right. Williams is a bench guy who can start in a pinch and shoots near 40% from downtown.
I don’t know what Boston has left to offer him but understanding his market value would be key to trade.
Also, Williams is a RFA for Boston at $12.9m with full Bird right.
martin wrote:djsunyc wrote:not sure how many here have been following this guy but he's been tweeting alot of stuff before woj/shams that's turned out to be true (tho he has some misses). he claims he's a former agent with alot of connections.he was initially this: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes20
then woj actually got him banned so he set up 2 other ones:
https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50 and a backup account: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes55
in terms of knicks and raptors stuff, here's what he has to say:
it's offseason so i figure it's fun to play along...
Ideally speaking, what do you see as a Siakam return? What is Masai looking for?
And can he play SF?
I'd guess any trade involving us and Paskal would be as a connector piece in a three-way.
He makes way more sense for Atlanta.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:djsunyc wrote:not sure how many here have been following this guy but he's been tweeting alot of stuff before woj/shams that's turned out to be true (tho he has some misses). he claims he's a former agent with alot of connections.he was initially this: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes20
then woj actually got him banned so he set up 2 other ones:
https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50 and a backup account: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes55
in terms of knicks and raptors stuff, here's what he has to say:
it's offseason so i figure it's fun to play along...
Ideally speaking, what do you see as a Siakam return? What is Masai looking for?
And can he play SF?
I'd guess any trade involving us and Paskal would be as a connector piece in a three-way.
He makes way more sense for Atlanta.
Pascal for dejoute Murray makes sense for both teams
Wonder how long the big contract thing will go or if it’ll correct some at any point like it did a decade or more ago
Stay thirsty my friends and don’t get floppy
martin wrote:Wonder how long the big contract thing will go or if it’ll correct some at any point like it did a decade or more ago
it will correct IF the cap does not go up. Otherwise, if/when the cap makes a massive jump, these salaries will look small in comparison
martin wrote:djsunyc wrote:not sure how many here have been following this guy but he's been tweeting alot of stuff before woj/shams that's turned out to be true (tho he has some misses). he claims he's a former agent with alot of connections.he was initially this: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes20
then woj actually got him banned so he set up 2 other ones:
https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50 and a backup account: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes55
in terms of knicks and raptors stuff, here's what he has to say:
it's offseason so i figure it's fun to play along...
Ideally speaking, what do you see as a Siakam return? What is Masai looking for?
And can he play SF?
If I knew that a certain Center from Cameroon wanted to play with his fellow PF from Cameroon, I’d possibly figure out a way to make that work. But in a vacuum, I don’t think Siakam is anything more than marginally different than Randle. Not even sure the correct word is better. Siakam isn’t really a better fit for the rest of the team. A bit of a better passer. But at significantly more cost, I’d need a different Cameroonian reason to get involved here. Unless they think he plays center…
martin wrote:Stay thirsty my friends and don’t get floppy
Each month the worst offender will be named Bitch of the Month. And for a month, wear a jersey that says “I’m a Little Bitch” in place of “Young”. I mean, their name.
Clean wrote:
I would sign him.
I'd sign him too. He was amazing in the 1st half of last year.
martin wrote:
Cross your fingers, other teams ahead of us drafted one or two players,or added free agents they want to go with.
Orlando couldn’t even trade Bol Bol away for a lowly 2nd round pick, that’s how much they thought of him.
I gotta guess there is a bid difference between bench rotation player and gimmick player who has some nice highlights.
Knicks supposedly 1 of 4 team’s interested in Grant Williams - can someone explain what a trade might look like given Celtics don’t have much/any room and Knicks would have to be S/T
LivingLegend wrote:Knicks supposedly 1 of 4 team’s interested in Grant Williams - can someone explain what a trade might look like given Celtics don’t have much/any room and Knicks would have to be S/T
Knicks have a TPE obtained in the Obi deal. Value of appr 7.5 million. For a NBA trade to occur the players contract has to be within 1/4 difference of the two players. So we can sign Williams to a 5 to 10 million dollars. Then use the TPE and Boston doesn't take on that salary and can get two second rounders for their trouble with a TPE for future needs. That's what guess is most likely scenario for us. Sign him to a one year guaranteed deal and either a PO or TO for year two or three. I don't think Boston would do a sign and trade using Fournier's contract cause that deal would mean taking Evan back and that counting on their cap. My speculation. If we did what I suggested we would still have Evans deal for a trade at the deadline and Williams to deal as well
Alpha1971 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Knicks supposedly 1 of 4 team’s interested in Grant Williams - can someone explain what a trade might look like given Celtics don’t have much/any room and Knicks would have to be S/T
Knicks have a TPE obtained in the Obi deal. Value of appr 7.5 million. For a NBA trade to occur the players contract has to be within 1/4 difference of the two players. So we can sign Williams to a 5 to 10 million dollars. Then use the TPE and Boston doesn't take on that salary and can get two second rounders for their trouble with a TPE for future needs. That's what guess is most likely scenario for us. Sign him to a one year guaranteed deal and either a PO or TO for year two or three. I don't think Boston would do a sign and trade using Fournier's contract cause that deal would mean taking Evan back and that counting on their cap. My speculation. If we did what I suggested we would still have Evans deal for a trade at the deadline and Williams to deal as well
Interesting angle - thank you
Wonder though if Celtics would be willing to gift him to us or if $10M would be enough for Williams.
I’d be tempted to give a highly protected 1 for Williams — he would fit like a glove, offer protection if Julius goes down, could allow some small ball and Thibs might give him more mins vs Obi. High end open 3 shooter and high level defender- would love him and it would feel like a J hart pick up to me
Alpha1971 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Knicks supposedly 1 of 4 team’s interested in Grant Williams - can someone explain what a trade might look like given Celtics don’t have much/any room and Knicks would have to be S/T
Knicks have a TPE obtained in the Obi deal. Value of appr 7.5 million. For a NBA trade to occur the players contract has to be within 1/4 difference of the two players. So we can sign Williams to a 5 to 10 million dollars. Then use the TPE and Boston doesn't take on that salary and can get two second rounders for their trouble with a TPE for future needs. That's what guess is most likely scenario for us. Sign him to a one year guaranteed deal and either a PO or TO for year two or three. I don't think Boston would do a sign and trade using Fournier's contract cause that deal would mean taking Evan back and that counting on their cap. My speculation. If we did what I suggested we would still have Evans deal for a trade at the deadline and Williams to deal as well
Obi Toppin TPE is 6.806mm. To use a TPE in a non-simultaneous trade, you have a $100k buffer to match salary. So, they can accept a $6.906mm salary into that TPE. Every other rule you apply are for simultaneous trades and many have further limitations by virtue of the fact that the Knicks are Hard-Capped at the first Apron.
So, as much as I agree that Grant Williams is a viable option at PF, given our limits on signing him and Boston’s rights to keep him, I think this is relatively unlikely.
martin wrote:djsunyc wrote:not sure how many here have been following this guy but he's been tweeting alot of stuff before woj/shams that's turned out to be true (tho he has some misses). he claims he's a former agent with alot of connections.he was initially this: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes20
then woj actually got him banned so he set up 2 other ones:
https://twitter.com/droppingdimes50 and a backup account: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes55
in terms of knicks and raptors stuff, here's what he has to say:
it's offseason so i figure it's fun to play along...
Ideally speaking, what do you see as a Siakam return? What is Masai looking for?
And can he play SF?
i really have no idea. siakam is due for a pretty sizeable deal - one that i prefer not to have on the books. in terms of value, he's been on an all nba team 2 of the last 3 years so he's a top 20 nba guy that wants to stay in toronto. dejuante murray is a clear tier below him (and also a UFA) so atlanta would have to throw in more - and i think that's where the hawks are balking considering they already gave up a bunch of picks and swaps for murray already.
masai is not a tear it down and rebuild guy either. he will keep retooling. tampa was a one-off tank considering the circumstances. we wanted fred back but houston came in with a nuts offer. considering we owe a top 6 protected pick to the spurs next draft (which is supposed to be really really weak), there's no incentive to pivot to a one off tank season.
pascal is a pf but can play sf if need be but not full time.
i think one of og or pascal will be moved before the start of the season.
if if if if lillard is cool coming to toronto, then i would move barnes + fillers + picks for him and trot out lillard, trent, og, pascal, poeltl and go for it. but that's just some fantasy sh t.
