Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Ok what's the next move ? And doesn't a player have to come back for Obi or is the a Trade Exception ?
Like 5 different people have responded to your posts letting you know what happened LOL have you read them?
For real, I am on the road, didn't see the responses.Picking up my mom from a nursing home. I m a cheat and ask what's the answer ?
Put down the phone and take care of your mom man! 😀
Obi traded into cap space. TPE coming back and don’t skip reading this response 😂
Ok trade exception. Thanks Bros. So let's bet we don't get anyone else and get told that the team is being patient, lol. Team should be flexing with our past success to lure players over
ToddTT wrote:Pacers fans are stoked. As they should be.https://www.reddit.com/r/pacers/comments...
Good damn ToddBott. I was trying to get by using free anti virus and spyware, but you're going to force me to pay for a subscription. What did we tell you about roaming around sketchy subreddits?
The Dallas positive moves I am alluding to is the trading back using pick 10 on draft night. That was proactive and maximized assets.
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Ok what's the next move ? And doesn't a player have to come back for Obi or is the a Trade Exception ?
Like 5 different people have responded to your posts letting you know what happened LOL have you read them?
For real, I am on the road, didn't see the responses.Picking up my mom from a nursing home. I m a cheat and ask what's the answer ?
Put down the phone and take care of your mom man! 😀
Obi traded into cap space. TPE coming back and don’t skip reading this response 😂
Nothing more depressing then a nursing home except a pediatric ICU. And of course Knicks fandom when our front office drags their feet. Can we use that trade exception going forward ?
Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Ok what's the next move ? And doesn't a player have to come back for Obi or is the a Trade Exception ?
Like 5 different people have responded to your posts letting you know what happened LOL have you read them?
For real, I am on the road, didn't see the responses.Picking up my mom from a nursing home. I m a cheat and ask what's the answer ?
Put down the phone and take care of your mom man! 😀
Obi traded into cap space. TPE coming back and don’t skip reading this response 😂
Nothing more depressing then a nursing home except a pediatric ICU. And of course Knicks fandom when our front office drags their feet. Can we use that trade exception going forward ?
TPEs are useful for 1 calendar year. So if another player becomes available or you want to make a big trade with multiple moving parts, the TPE and second round picks become useful.
Obi into cap space for 2 second rounders is either a very, very generous move by the FO to find a very nice home for Obi or we have not seen the rest of what is about to shake loose come to fruition
Recently, I watched a video on YouTube about Flat Earthers. Man I man hard to explain it. People have a mentality that they are justified to reject all explanations and that their form of thinking is truly enlightened. People like that and Kyrie must be maddening to be around
I loved Obi’s enthusiasm but the reality is he may be the softest PF in the league. For all his athletic dunks he never went hard to the rim unless there was absolutely no one in his way or the vicinity. No presence on rebounding or on D.
And let’s be honest those leak outs are a mixed bag — it’s also indicative he’s not in the paint for a defensive stop or rebound.
Indiana is not s running team. He would have been better on Sacramento or even Charlotte
I wish no ill will but he might have a super short career. He needs to act like a pf
Papabear wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:JesseDark wrote:We certainly didn't maximize him and can understand his frustration. I don't think he was gonna have a significant impact again this upcoming season. That being said who is available out there as backup 4 that will be acceptable to Thibs.
Knicks did maximize Randle into an all NBA guy.
Hard balance as neither guy could play a different position.
I mean the pick never really made sense unless they had a trade for Randle. Haliburton was the obvious choice when we didn’t have a PG and was project as high as 5. I’m happy for Toppin and hope he does well. Just wish we could capitalize on youth.
Papabear SaysToppin never had a chance here. I will follow his career and wish him well. Thibs is a player killer. You mean he couldn't find him another 10 min.per game?
Exactly! Obi will thrive in Indy
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Ok what's the next move ? And doesn't a player have to come back for Obi or is the a Trade Exception ?
Like 5 different people have responded to your posts letting you know what happened LOL have you read them?
For real, I am on the road, didn't see the responses.Picking up my mom from a nursing home. I m a cheat and ask what's the answer ?
Put down the phone and take care of your mom man! 😀
Obi traded into cap space. TPE coming back and don’t skip reading this response 😂
Nothing more depressing then a nursing home except a pediatric ICU. And of course Knicks fandom when our front office drags their feet. Can we use that trade exception going forward ?
TPEs are useful for 1 calendar year. So if another player becomes available or you want to make a big trade with multiple moving parts, the TPE and second round picks become useful.
Obi into cap space for 2 second rounders is either a very, very generous move by the FO to find a very nice home for Obi or we have not seen the rest of what is about to shake loose come to fruition
Between Facebook, Twitter, and here what the fuck? I understand not necessarily liking the trade, but can we cut the spocalyptic bullshit?
First off Obi is only as good as his exposure and he wasn't that great. They were talking about trading him for Duarte (another lotto pick who JUST got traded for second round picks). Not a single thing Obi has done has justified him being the centerpiece of any major package let alone a package sending one disappointing first for another. Never understood the Duarte and a first for Obi stuff. Obi wasn't much better.
I am nit an apologist for this front office, they have fucked up multiple times, but good God. We heard the same thing when they tradesd the pick that was Jalen Duren to clear space (it netted us Brunson), then double trade down a few years ago that netted them Grimes, Rokas, and McBride.
I understand not liking transactions, but can we at least wait to see how this plays out before saying they are incompetent (which they have proven they are far from).
^^ agree. At the end of the day Obi did not impact the game other than scoring, and his scoring simply wasn’t good enough to outweigh the other shortcomings.
As an individual he is really easy to like and I’m sure he was a terrific teammate but come on, it can’t be the case that the plan is to let obi leak out every play or expect that he will have enough wide open cuts to think Obi would have a big impact
Chandler wrote:I loved Obi’s enthusiasm but the reality is he may be the softest PF in the league. For all his athletic dunks he never went hard to the rim unless there was absolutely no one in his way or the vicinity. No presence on rebounding or on D.And let’s be honest those leak outs are a mixed bag — it’s also indicative he’s not in the paint for a defensive stop or rebound.
Indiana is not s running team. He would have been better on Sacramento or even Charlotte
I wish no ill will but he might have a super short career. He needs to act like a pf
FYI Pacers was top 4 in pace before Obi. We were bottom 6 with Obi.
Chandler wrote:^^ agree. At the end of the day Obi did not impact the game other than scoring, and his scoring simply wasn’t good enough to outweigh the other shortcomings.As an individual he is really easy to like and I’m sure he was a terrific teammate but come on, it can’t be the case that the plan is to let obi leak out every play or expect that he will have enough wide open cuts to think Obi would have a big impact
How much impact you expect someone who avgs less than 15mpg to have? We will find out just how good Obi is this next season. He is in a good situation for him so we will have our answers soon enough. Also how quicky we forget those leakouts have to be accounted for. Remember the Cavs coach specically made that point as to why Mitch could dominate on the boards.
Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:JesseDark wrote:We certainly didn't maximize him and can understand his frustration. I don't think he was gonna have a significant impact again this upcoming season. That being said who is available out there as backup 4 that will be acceptable to Thibs.
Knicks did maximize Randle into an all NBA guy.
Hard balance as neither guy could play a different position.
I mean the pick never really made sense unless they had a trade for Randle. Haliburton was the obvious choice when we didn’t have a PG and was project as high as 5. I’m happy for Toppin and hope he does well. Just wish we could capitalize on youth.
An argument can be made the Obi pick pushed Randle to become a better player. Halliburton is a stats guy who doesn’t win games. Just look at the kings. Brunson is maybe 30x more valuable
Halliburton just got a max extension, Obi just got traded for two 2nd Rd picks. You really want to make the argument who would of been the better pick for a team who needed a PG?
I’m disappointed that’s all we got for him
In fact, I would’ve been disappointed if we got the LAC first round pick this year for him
Maybe I’m biased, I thought he’d shine if given the opportunity
The TPE is a lot less useful for trades than Obi the player because the TPE can not be combined with other players to make a trade. For example, adding Toppin to Fournier's contract opens up a lot more players to trades. With the TPE, Knicks have to find another player making 6.8 million or less.
Also since the Knicks are above the Salary Cap, they can't use that to sign any FA's; the only money available is the Non taxpayer MLE. Using the full MLE also leaves Knicks below the tax line.
Knicks will still need to find a back-up PF; maybe this is Roby's time to shine. Say what you will about Obi, he consistently gets 20 points when ever he plays 30 minutes. He knows how to score. He's proven himself in a way Duarte hasn't.
Knicks might have a deal lined up to trade Fournier and get back more salary so this would keep them below the tax line. Those 2nd picks are of limited value because the Knicks have so many in the cupboard. This deal gets a D for now for the Knicks.
Rookie wrote:Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:JesseDark wrote:We certainly didn't maximize him and can understand his frustration. I don't think he was gonna have a significant impact again this upcoming season. That being said who is available out there as backup 4 that will be acceptable to Thibs.
Knicks did maximize Randle into an all NBA guy.
Hard balance as neither guy could play a different position.
I mean the pick never really made sense unless they had a trade for Randle. Haliburton was the obvious choice when we didn’t have a PG and was project as high as 5. I’m happy for Toppin and hope he does well. Just wish we could capitalize on youth.
An argument can be made the Obi pick pushed Randle to become a better player. Halliburton is a stats guy who doesn’t win games. Just look at the kings. Brunson is maybe 30x more valuable
Halliburton just got a max extension, Obi just got traded for two 2nd Rd picks. You really want to make the argument who would of been the better pick for a team who needed a PG?
If Halliburton is so great why did the kings get the 3rd seed in the West immediately after getting rid of him?
Disappointing return for sure.
Clean wrote:Chandler wrote:^^ agree. At the end of the day Obi did not impact the game other than scoring, and his scoring simply wasn’t good enough to outweigh the other shortcomings.As an individual he is really easy to like and I’m sure he was a terrific teammate but come on, it can’t be the case that the plan is to let obi leak out every play or expect that he will have enough wide open cuts to think Obi would have a big impact
How much impact you expect someone who avgs less than 15mpg to have? We will find out just how good Obi is this next season. He is in a good situation for him so we will have our answers soon enough. Also how quicky we forget those leakouts have to be accounted for. Remember the Cavs coach specically made that point as to why Mitch could dominate on the boards.
How about a lot more for a guy who who was of matured age, has incredible athleticism, and was coming off being the national player of the year. Dude came to the Knicks and literally played scared to even shoot the ball for an entire year.
Anyone mad at Obi for not living up to being the guy we drafted or is it all on the coach to give a guy who was not really impacting a game more time? Obi needed to force the issue and he whiffed big time. Randle was mostly very good too, hard to beat our an all NBA type guy.
This is a dog eat dog world and Obi got those nice puppy dog eyes that flashed when he leaked out but not much after that. Obi sat himself at the 3point line and didn’t do much impacting after that.
Why we waiting on and accepting of a player who can only play minutes when they are handed out like candy? I want a dog who takes those minutes. Hart showed us how it’s done.
gradyandrew wrote:The TPE is a lot less useful for trades than Obi the player because the TPE can not be combined with other players to make a trade. For example, adding Toppin to Fournier's contract opens up a lot more players to trades. With the TPE, Knicks have to find another player making 6.8 million or less. Also since the Knicks are above the Salary Cap, they can't use that to sign any FA's; the only money available is the Non taxpayer MLE. Using the full MLE also leaves Knicks below the tax line.
Knicks will still need to find a back-up PF; maybe this is Roby's time to shine. Say what you will about Obi, he consistently gets 20 points when ever he plays 30 minutes. He knows how to score. He's proven himself in a way Duarte hasn't.
Knicks might have a deal lined up to trade Fournier and get back more salary so this would keep them below the tax line. Those 2nd picks are of limited value because the Knicks have so many in the cupboard. This deal gets a D for now for the Knicks.
Question: why wasn’t the market bigger for Obi?
