I’d sign bol bol
2 yrs 5mm
He’ll accept the back up 4 role
And is injury insurance at center
Cheap will play a nice 15 min
I dont think the team is looking for a back up pf to soak up 15 minutes Obi left behind coz they just bought in Dante. If they still sign a back up 4 that will demand atleast 15mins of playing time, that will force the FO to trade other rotation players like IQ and Grimes or even RJ to make space for a player like Grant williams or BolBol. The knicks dont need a back up 4 that will command minutes. With currently where the team's rotations stands now with the inclusion of Dante. All the rotation minutes are accounted for. The only back up 4 they need is insurance in case Randle gets injured. That is why if they stand path, that role falls on Roby or Jacob. Unless they release Roby and get a vet minimum like Taj.
The guy looked great against us for sure.
Three years ago some on the UK had him really going high. He fell.
He broke in college then played 53 games in three years.
Last year 70. Started 33. Not bad, but not great stats. Very uneven.
“He’ll accept the back up 4 role”
I would imagine he has little choice? He just got waived. No trade value, not even for a 2nd round pick?
I said this when he was in college when touted by fans: “He does not have an NBA body”.
He worked really hard to to get to where he is at the moment. But, at age 23 its not happening.
Is it a waste to park him on the bench? Not at a min cost. He can play, but can he sustain?
His long ball was surprisingly not good when I looked it up.
Can’t imagine some team does not pick him up, but what don’t we know? Orlando has too many players and are getting improved. It happens.
Bol Bol is exactly the type of player you take a flyer on. I know he's bounced around the league but he's still young and has had some good moments (kind of like Obi). He's talented and some of the stuff he can do at his size is incredible! Plus he's Manute Bol's son, who was such a fun player to watch as a kid.
Vets like Grant Williams are 'too good' to be content being a 12-15 mpg backup. He's surely going to bitch about playing time. And this backup spot to Randle is what it is. You're there to spell Randle for 12-15 mpg. I think a young guy like Bol Bol or a really old guy like Taj is the way to go.
1) Minutes are earned not purchased with salary. Nothing is guaranteed.
2) Gonna be hard for anyone to outwork Randle for minutes. Obi learned that and asked out. I wish him well.
3) Gonna be hard for anyone to outwork Barrett for minutes. His eFG leaves room for someone to work smarter.
4) Gonna be hard for anyone to outwork Brunson for minutes. His defense leaves some room for a defensive replacement, but not much.
4) IQ and Grimes disappeared in the playoffs. Hart took all the extra minutes. Gonna be hard to get those minutes back.
5) Divincenzo is the new kid on the block. But he looks like he works hard. Grimes should be looking over his shoulder. Its possible DDV is starting SG for game 1.
6) Knicks still need a backup PF even if the minutes aren't there. IH/JS work in a pinch, Roby has the ability to earn it. Anyone coming in needs to know they gotta earn it.
7) I am still looking for a trade before I get worked up about the rotation. Don't know what Toronto does with OG, but that should be on the tip of our tongue. Not sure what happens with Embiid, or why Philly would leave him in division, or why OKC wouldn't outbid us by a ton, but it would be a cool until Embiid gets injured in the playoffs.
Long story short, someone has to come in with a fire to take those minutes from the rotation, not be content to accept them. Maybe Knox learns that on his way back here?
SergioNYK wrote:Bol Bol is exactly the type of player you take a flyer on. I know he's bounced around the league but he's still young and has had some good moments (kind of like Obi). He's talented and some of the stuff he can do at his size is incredible! Plus he's Manute Bol's son, who was such a fun player to watch as a kid. Vets like Grant Williams are 'too good' to be content being a 12-15 mpg backup. He's surely going to bitch about playing time. And this backup spot to Randle is what it is. You're there to spell Randle for 12-15 mpg. I think a young guy like Bol Bol or a really old guy like Taj is the way to go.
Bol Bol would replace Obi's ability to run the floor. Plus I am hearing he might be a decent defender. 3 point shooting needs work, but there is no reason he cannot get to at least Obi's level.
Strange that Orlando gave him up for nothing. Hope it is not because of a chronic health condition.
I dunno, but I felt Taj was shot while he was still on the Knicks. How did he do last season?
Jimbo5 wrote:I dont think the team is looking for a back up pf to soak up 15 minutes Obi left behind coz they just bought in Dante. If they still sign a back up 4 that will demand atleast 15mins of playing time, that will force the FO to trade other rotation players like IQ and Grimes or even RJ to make space for a player like Grant williams or BolBol. The knicks dont need a back up 4 that will command minutes. With currently where the team's rotations stands now with the inclusion of Dante. All the rotation minutes are accounted for. The only back up 4 they need is insurance in case Randle gets injured. That is why if they stand path, that role falls on Roby or Jacob. Unless they release Roby and get a vet minimum like Taj.
ESOMKnicks wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Bol Bol is exactly the type of player you take a flyer on. I know he's bounced around the league but he's still young and has had some good moments (kind of like Obi). He's talented and some of the stuff he can do at his size is incredible! Plus he's Manute Bol's son, who was such a fun player to watch as a kid. Vets like Grant Williams are 'too good' to be content being a 12-15 mpg backup. He's surely going to bitch about playing time. And this backup spot to Randle is what it is. You're there to spell Randle for 12-15 mpg. I think a young guy like Bol Bol or a really old guy like Taj is the way to go.
Bol Bol would replace Obi's ability to run the floor. Plus I am hearing he might be a decent defender. 3 point shooting needs work, but there is no reason he cannot get to at least Obi's level.
Strange that Orlando gave him up for nothing. Hope it is not because of a chronic health condition.
I dunno, but I felt Taj was shot while he was still on the Knicks. How did he do last season?
Bol Bol is interesting. He’d likely be depth at Center to go along with a smaller 4 guard lineup. Sims could also move to PF as a backup since Bol can actually provide perimeter shooting from the Center position.
As a defender Bol still needs to put on weight and get stronger but he can block shots all day and night
Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
Alpha1971 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
The Knicks are poised to make a trade for a more significant player, whether that is a full time rotation player or much better.
The logistics and return on a Williams type deal is definitely not it
Grant Williams traded to dallas
Alpha1971 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
We also have Divincenzo now. He’s the greatest signing in the history of free agency so who needs size?
Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
We also have Divincenzo now. He’s the greatest signing in the history of free agency so who needs size?
I hate your posts because I read every post as though they are written with an intent to respond meaningfully. But by the time I finish reading your posts, I always have the sinking feeling that I wasted my time and “Phil got me again” with a BS post. I honestly hate reading your posts. Good threads die on your meaningless posts.
I think if I knew we were dealing Toppin, I might have preferred Grant Williams for the MLE. I'm a fan of DiVincenzo, but the rotation fit would have been more obvious and Williams offers someone who can guard larger size players and can hit that corner 3 ball.
Not unhappy at all, just seems like it would be a slightly better fit at the same cost.
VDesai wrote:I think if I knew we were dealing Toppin, I might have preferred Grant Williams for the MLE. I'm a fan of DiVincenzo, but the rotation fit would have been more obvious and Williams offers someone who can guard larger size players and can hit that corner 3 ball.Not unhappy at all, just seems like it would be a slightly better fit at the same cost.
Knicks need both. And I'm guessing they aren't nearly done yet.
Dallas had to give up assets to sign their guy (and get some picks back), Knicks did not, so I am not sure it's in the same cost space? Hard to tell what the second round picks are but they also gave up an unprotected first round swap in 2030. That'll be on the next GM but could be UGLY.
VDesai wrote:martin wrote:VDesai wrote:I think if I knew we were dealing Toppin, I might have preferred Grant Williams for the MLE. I'm a fan of DiVincenzo, but the rotation fit would have been more obvious and Williams offers someone who can guard larger size players and can hit that corner 3 ball.Not unhappy at all, just seems like it would be a slightly better fit at the same cost.
Knicks need both. And I'm guessing they aren't nearly done yet.
Dallas had to give up assets to sign their guy (and get some picks back), Knicks did not, so I am not sure it's in the same cost space? Hard to tell what the second round picks are but they also gave up an unprotected first round swap in 2030. That'll be on the next GM but could be UGLY.
But did Dallas have to do the S&T to offer those $'s because of the tax? I think we might have been able to offer Grant that contract with the non-taxpayer MLE and not need to engage on S&T theoretically.
Grant was a RFA, so S&T was absolutely necessary.
Knicks got their guy. They still need a Williams type or some big wing.
I like to read the tea leaves of Fred Katz, think he is the most tuned in guy who is willing to try to give fans hints about what the FO is thinking. And I'd guess the Knicks are already targeting the type of guy Williams' role fills. We shall see but I doubt the Knicks are done.
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
We also have Divincenzo now. He’s the greatest signing in the history of free agency so who needs size?
I hate your posts because I read every post as though they are written with an intent to respond meaningfully. But by the time I finish reading your posts, I always have the sinking feeling that I wasted my time and “Phil got me again” with a BS post. I honestly hate reading your posts. Good threads die on your meaningless posts.
Hate is a strong and wasted emotion for a forum based on entertainment.
Alpha1971 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Over the last 48 hours I been advocating for Grant Williams. Knicks could have done the trade Boston did with the Mavericks. I think Leon must have an other trade in the works, right ???
Why would the Knicks want another PF who can’t play SF or center ?
Incase of injury. But whatever. We have Evans contract, a TPE, picks and Deuce to trade for an improvement at the 4 and 3. Maybe they believe in Roby for real.
We also have Divincenzo now. He’s the greatest signing in the history of free agency so who needs size?
I hate your posts because I read every post as though they are written with an intent to respond meaningfully. But by the time I finish reading your posts, I always have the sinking feeling that I wasted my time and “Phil got me again” with a BS post. I honestly hate reading your posts. Good threads die on your meaningless posts.
Hate is a strong and wasted emotion for a forum based on entertainment.
Hopefully it is more based off of something interesting and not some low IQ forum baiting, we need less of that quite frankily
