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ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
BRIGGS wrote:Has anyone heard this guy talk?
To me he sounds like the best presidential candidate in 25 years.
Hes so well spoken and keeps to facts and common sense without he other BS
Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs--a young highly intelligent centric individual who is out to help our country.
So, now that you heard even more from him are you still sticking with him as your guy??
Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
I will use covid death numbers from the site you provided and a Google search of populations from 2019-2020 as data
Russia: population 145,000,000 vs covid deaths 388,000 (0,267% of total population)
US: population 388,000,000 vs covid deaths 1,145,000 (0,295% of total population)
If you compare 0,267 to 0,295 the difference between those numbers is
0,028. Which in turn is about 10% of 0,295.
Summary: if we look at covid deaths as a %of population, in US out of 100,000 there were 295 covid deaths. In Russia,out of 100,000 people there were 267 covid deaths. So, US "crushed it" even worse according to the site you provided and Google
The original indicator used by site, " excess deaths per 100,000" is an incredibly misleading statistic. According to the it, Mongolia is in top 5 countries. Mongolia...where they eat horses and drink fermented horse milk. Where most of the country lives in felt tents, like they have lived for thousands of years.
gradyandrew wrote:I'm reading Vivek's book now. He fesses up to the Alzheimer's drug not working in paragraph 3 and also correctly states his company has developed other drugs successfully.
Vivek is a serial liar.
The first assumption you should make is that the things he writes and says should come under heavy scrutiny and treated as highly suspect.
The second thing you should do before sharing anything from him is verify that info before passing it along unchecked.
What you just did was no better than the god awful media has done since way before Trump started his run.
All you did here was make a generic statement that you read something by Vivek and it turned out to be true? This the level of information exchange we are at?
Do better.
ramtour420 wrote:Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
I will use covid death numbers from the site you provided and a Google search of populations from 2019-2020 as dataRussia: population 145,000,000 vs covid deaths 388,000 (0,267% of total population)
US: population 388,000,000 vs covid deaths 1,145,000 (0,295% of total population)If you compare 0,267 to 0,295 the difference between those numbers is
0,028. Which in turn is about 10% of 0,295.
Summary: if we look at covid deaths as a %of population, in US out of 100,000 there were 295 covid deaths. In Russia,out of 100,000 people there were 267 covid deaths. So, US "crushed it" even worse according to the site you provided and GoogleThe original indicator used by site, " excess deaths per 100,000" is an incredibly misleading statistic. According to the it, Mongolia is in top 5 countries. Mongolia...where they eat horses and drink fermented horse milk. Where most of the country lives in felt tents, like they have lived for thousands of years.
If you are going to share data, share your sources.
It has already been well established that you don’t really pay attention to what you are reading, so get extra eyes on those sources, and then people will start to believe and understand the information you are trying to put forth.
Otherwise it is communication useless
I think your math may not be showing what is in the charts correctly.
martin wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
I will use covid death numbers from the site you provided and a Google search of populations from 2019-2020 as dataRussia: population 145,000,000 vs covid deaths 388,000 (0,267% of total population)
US: population 388,000,000 vs covid deaths 1,145,000 (0,295% of total population)If you compare 0,267 to 0,295 the difference between those numbers is
0,028. Which in turn is about 10% of 0,295.
Summary: if we look at covid deaths as a %of population, in US out of 100,000 there were 295 covid deaths. In Russia,out of 100,000 people there were 267 covid deaths. So, US "crushed it" even worse according to the site you provided and GoogleThe original indicator used by site, " excess deaths per 100,000" is an incredibly misleading statistic. According to the it, Mongolia is in top 5 countries. Mongolia...where they eat horses and drink fermented horse milk. Where most of the country lives in felt tents, like they have lived for thousands of years.
If you are going to share data, share your sources.
It has already been well established that you don’t really pay attention to what you are reading, so get extra eyes on those sources, and then people will start to believe and understand the information you are trying to put forth.
Otherwise it is communication useless
I think your math may not be showing what is in the charts correctly.
I shared my sources, they are :
1) Website provided by Nalod
2) Google search about the population of US and Russia in 2020
The rest is simple arithmetics
Nalod wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Has anyone heard this guy talk?
To me he sounds like the best presidential candidate in 25 years.
Hes so well spoken and keeps to facts and common sense without he other BS
Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs--a young highly intelligent centric individual who is out to help our country.So, now that you heard even more from him are you still sticking with him as your guy??
If you listen to what he is saying carefully and not the snippets that the media uses, yes he is by far the best candidate to represent the GOP.
Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Has anyone heard this guy talk?
To me he sounds like the best presidential candidate in 25 years.
Hes so well spoken and keeps to facts and common sense without he other BS
Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs--a young highly intelligent centric individual who is out to help our country.So, now that you heard even more from him are you still sticking with him as your guy??
If you listen to what he is saying carefully and not the snippets that the media uses, yes he is by far the best candidate to represent the GOP.
Why?
And what are the solutions to the problems this country is facing?
ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
I will use covid death numbers from the site you provided and a Google search of populations from 2019-2020 as dataRussia: population 145,000,000 vs covid deaths 388,000 (0,267% of total population)
US: population 388,000,000 vs covid deaths 1,145,000 (0,295% of total population)If you compare 0,267 to 0,295 the difference between those numbers is
0,028. Which in turn is about 10% of 0,295.
Summary: if we look at covid deaths as a %of population, in US out of 100,000 there were 295 covid deaths. In Russia,out of 100,000 people there were 267 covid deaths. So, US "crushed it" even worse according to the site you provided and GoogleThe original indicator used by site, " excess deaths per 100,000" is an incredibly misleading statistic. According to the it, Mongolia is in top 5 countries. Mongolia...where they eat horses and drink fermented horse milk. Where most of the country lives in felt tents, like they have lived for thousands of years.
If you are going to share data, share your sources.
It has already been well established that you don’t really pay attention to what you are reading, so get extra eyes on those sources, and then people will start to believe and understand the information you are trying to put forth.
Otherwise it is communication useless
I think your math may not be showing what is in the charts correctly.
I shared my sources, they are :
1) Website provided by Nalod
2) Google search about the population of US and Russia in 2020The rest is simple arithmetics
Where does the US COVID death number of 1,145,000 come from and why do you get to cherry pick information from the sources and then also throw out other information - because of some random factoid - from that same chart because it doesn’t fit your narrative?
That’s not how reality works.
ramtour420 wrote:There are some procedures that one needs to travel to a large city to perform, like brain surgery or whatever else. That's true. Not unlike in the US, actually. How about this, the free state healthcare system we have is better than not having any free state healthcare system. Find out how many households went bankrupt in the US last year because of medical expenses( a little over 500,000 every year if I am not failing at Googling again)and get back to me ..
For Russians that large city often means New York or Miami. Or have you forgotten how the main Russian state TV channel was fundraising for a brain tumor surgery for Janna Friske - a major Russian pop-music and movie star - which she was to have in Miami, instead of in her native mighty Russia. Part of the money raised was then reportedly stolen, which surprised exactly nobody in Russia. Par for the course in that country.
Looking, for example, how much worse cancer survival rates are in Russia vs the US, I can hardly agree that any free healthcare is better than private healthcare.
Breast cancer: USA 88.6%, Russia 70.6%
Stomach cancer: USA 29.1%, Russia 19.9%
Lung cancer: USA 18.7%, Russia 15.7%
Prostate cancer: USA 97.2%, Russia 69.6%
gradyandrew wrote:
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
That is, until someone asks what had made people in China dirt poor by 1973.
ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.That is, until someone asks what had made people in China dirt poor by 1973.
ramtour420 wrote:Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
You are aware of the fact that for every Assange there are scores of Navalny supporters and other opposition figures currently rotting in Russian jails, are you?
And you are also aware of the fact that people were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs or ability to attend public places in Russia, are you?
And you are aware that in St. Petersburg covid restrictions prohibiting public gatherings are still in force, are you?
I for one am way critical of USA as its far from imperfect. Your debating using what ever you want to attempt to prove a point.
When you look at "excess deaths per 100,000" provides a metric to level the numbers rather than the raw data.
Russian is a big country with way many ethnic groups inside of it. Population 145,000,000.
USA, a melting pot but that due to immigration vs. borders inside. USA population 350,000,000.
In college I studied and visited Soviet Russia about 7 years before the fall.
I understand the propaganda machine a bit and suspect by your lack of balance in this conversation.
Your aunt was not free to work in an office without being vaccinated. For many they could work remote until mandates were lifted.
How easy is it to make up "My aunt" stories without verifying. Nice try. There are so many details about
"aunties" situation your not including. Context matters. How old is she? Her health condition? She public facing?
Did she take the Vaccine? If so, how she fair?
Remembrer, people were dying. People were going on ventilators.
How easy to tilt to Mongolia for what ever reason. Facts are their economy does not have the same dynamics as open travel and nature of employment and salaries. Small villages could stay far more isolated.
Stories? We have lots of them. Friend of mine just returned from china with covid. My daughter traveled with me to Europe last month. She got hime and had covid. Not me. Bottom line is both bought home different strains perhaps? My buddy got his from a relative in China. Daughter we have no idea. Where did they get it? Who knows.
Vmart: if your reading Ramaswarmy's book its because you want to believe. When guys do books before a campaign its really not very objective. Desantis book is full of inaccuracies as well.
Im have dipped my toe in political threads and usually back out as its likely not going to change anyone's mind. I respect the exchange of information vs. getting baited into a debate which I admit to taking. When objectivity lacks and its one-sided There is little to be gained.
martin wrote:ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...
I will use covid death numbers from the site you provided and a Google search of populations from 2019-2020 as dataRussia: population 145,000,000 vs covid deaths 388,000 (0,267% of total population)
US: population 388,000,000 vs covid deaths 1,145,000 (0,295% of total population)If you compare 0,267 to 0,295 the difference between those numbers is
0,028. Which in turn is about 10% of 0,295.
Summary: if we look at covid deaths as a %of population, in US out of 100,000 there were 295 covid deaths. In Russia,out of 100,000 people there were 267 covid deaths. So, US "crushed it" even worse according to the site you provided and GoogleThe original indicator used by site, " excess deaths per 100,000" is an incredibly misleading statistic. According to the it, Mongolia is in top 5 countries. Mongolia...where they eat horses and drink fermented horse milk. Where most of the country lives in felt tents, like they have lived for thousands of years.
If you are going to share data, share your sources.
It has already been well established that you don’t really pay attention to what you are reading, so get extra eyes on those sources, and then people will start to believe and understand the information you are trying to put forth.
Otherwise it is communication useless
I think your math may not be showing what is in the charts correctly.
I shared my sources, they are :
1) Website provided by Nalod
2) Google search about the population of US and Russia in 2020The rest is simple arithmetics
Where does the US COVID death number of 1,145,000 come from and why do you get to cherry pick information from the sources and then also throw out other information - because of some random factoid - from that same chart because it doesn’t fit your narrative?
That’s not how reality works.
The number came from Nalod's link. How am I cherry picking? I am going off of the most basic facts.. how is that cherry picking, lol. I am not throwing anything out, what are you talking about my man? What " random factoid"? From the same chart? My narrative? Those are facts brother, and reality is based on facts, it is literally how reality works.
ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is blissYou are aware of the fact that for every Assange there are scores of Navalny supporters and other opposition figures currently rotting in Russian jails, are you?
And you are also aware of the fact that people were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs or ability to attend public places in Russia, are you?
And you are aware that in St. Petersburg covid restrictions prohibiting public gatherings are still in force, are you?
No I am not aware of it. Can you please provide some sources?
ramtour420 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is blissYou are aware of the fact that for every Assange there are scores of Navalny supporters and other opposition figures currently rotting in Russian jails, are you?
And you are also aware of the fact that people were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs or ability to attend public places in Russia, are you?
And you are aware that in St. Petersburg covid restrictions prohibiting public gatherings are still in force, are you?
No I am not aware of it. Can you please provide some sources?
You are not aware of Navalny supporters and opposition figures being in jail?
Then why do you even ask for sources? It's not like they will change anything for you. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Of course, in reality it looks like you are just playing dumb and mocking everyone here.
ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is blissYou are aware of the fact that for every Assange there are scores of Navalny supporters and other opposition figures currently rotting in Russian jails, are you?
And you are also aware of the fact that people were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs or ability to attend public places in Russia, are you?
And you are aware that in St. Petersburg covid restrictions prohibiting public gatherings are still in force, are you?
No I am not aware of it. Can you please provide some sources?You are not aware of Navalny supporters and opposition figures being in jail?
Then why do you even ask for sources? It's not like they will change anything for you. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Of course, in reality it looks like you are just playing dumb and mocking everyone here.
You are not going to provide sources, got it.
ramtour420 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is blissYou are aware of the fact that for every Assange there are scores of Navalny supporters and other opposition figures currently rotting in Russian jails, are you?
And you are also aware of the fact that people were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs or ability to attend public places in Russia, are you?
And you are aware that in St. Petersburg covid restrictions prohibiting public gatherings are still in force, are you?
No I am not aware of it. Can you please provide some sources?You are not aware of Navalny supporters and opposition figures being in jail?
Then why do you even ask for sources? It's not like they will change anything for you. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Of course, in reality it looks like you are just playing dumb and mocking everyone here.You are not going to provide sources, got it.
No, sorry, it is because it does not look like you are debating in good faith, and taking this further would be a waste of time.
ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.That is, until someone asks what had made people in China dirt poor by 1973.
1st Opium War
Taiping Rebellion
Second Opium War
Sino- French War
Boxer Rebellion
Sino-Russian War
Japanese Invasion: WW2 (second most casualties after USSR)
Chinese Civil War
No doubt the first 24 years of CCP rule (1949-1973) were also full of turmoil.
period from 1952 to 1978, China’s growth was 3 percent per year, according to Xiao dong Zhu, Understanding China's Economic Growth: Past, Present, and Future, 2012.