Knicks · OT Vivek Ramaswamy (page 15)
gradyandrew wrote:A lot of smart and patriotic Americans (George Kenyan for example) have warned about how the expansion of NATO could participate war with Russia. I'm not sure why this gets lost in the debate.
Probably because of the totally whack framing
Beyond Georgia alone, Mr Eastman compiled a memo falsely outlining how then-vice president Mike Pence could overturn the 2020 presidential election on 6 January 2021.
He and Mr Trump also allegedly met with Mr Pence on 4 January 2021 to try to convince him to to reject the legitimate votes for Mr Biden.
He surrendered for arrest last week on the charges while railing against the indictment “that should never have been brought”. He was released on a $100,000 bond.
As well as being charged in the Georgia case, Mr Eastman is clearly identifiable as one of Mr Trump’s unnamed alleged co-conspirators in his federal election interference case, brought by special counsel Jack Smith’s office.
That indictment details how – just hours after the Capitol riot took place – Mr Eastman wrote to Mr Pence to “implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation” of the Electoral Count Act and stop the certification for 10 days.
Mr Eastman has not been charged in that case.
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Quinn Mitchell has seen at least 35 presidential candidates in person since 2019, when he first started showing up at New Hampshire primary events to ask them questions.Not a single one of them had ever treated the now-15-year-old as if he were a threat—until Ron DeSantis came to town.
It all started with a straightforward question. In June, when DeSantis stopped for a town hall event in Hollis, Mitchell raised his hand in the crowd.
“Do you believe that Trump violated the peaceful transfer of power,” the teenager asked the governor, “a key principle of American democracy that we must uphold?”
DeSantis dodged the question and said Americans shouldn’t get stuck in the past, but not before remarking—in a somewhat impressed, incredulous tone—on Mitchell’s age. “Are you in high school?” the governor asked.
The moment went viral, with DeSantis’ non-answer encapsulating how even Donald Trump’s lead primary rival could not bring himself to acknowledge the former president’s efforts to undo the 2020 election. CNN even played it during an interview with Chris Christie to tee up a question to the Trump foe.
For Mitchell, however, the exchange kicked off a series of events that deeply rattled him and his family.
Speaking about it for the first time in an interview with The Daily Beast, Mitchell says that he was grabbed and physically intimidated by DeSantis security at two subsequent campaign stops, where the candidate’s staffers also monitored him in a way he perceived as hostile.
The experience, Mitchell said, was “horrifying” and amounted to “intimidation.”
At a Fourth of July parade DeSantis attended, Mitchell was swarmed by security and physically restrained after a brief interaction with the governor—with his private security contractors even demanding Mitchell stay put until they said so.
With his mother alarmed, the situation escalated to such a degree that the candidate’s wife, Casey, spoke directly with her—but to suggest her son was being dishonest about what happened, according to Mitchell.
Then, at an August 19 event—where Mitchell was tailed closely by two security guards—an attendee told The Daily Beast they saw a staffer for DeSantis’ super PAC, Never Back Down, take a photo of the teenager on Snapchat before typing out an ominous caption: “Got our kid.”
Seven other sources corroborated Mitchell’s version of events, either by sharing contemporaneous communications with the family or recounting what they witnessed in person at DeSantis events, including the Fourth of July parade. The teenager and his family say they have yet to receive any kind of apology from DeSantis.The DeSantis campaign and Never Back Down did not return multiple requests for comment from The Daily Beast.
As astute an observer of the state’s politics as any, Mitchell had a blunt assessment of the fiasco over DeSantis’ treatment of him. “Really stupid,” he said, “in a small state like New Hampshire.”
HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Can a person attempt to over through the government and then run for president. Cant make this up!
Smith Act, formally Alien Registration Act of 1940, U.S. federal law passed in 1940 that made it a criminal offense to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or to organize or be a member of any group or society devoted to such advocacy.
gradyandrew wrote:In terms of government effectiveness, last year a group of parents in my high school wanted to change their kids science teacher. Over 3 months the complaint went municipal, provincial, and then to the national level. The Asst. Provincial Secretary finally intercedes on behalf of the parents to make admin change the teacher. Say what you will, but I was damned impressed that parental complaints were taken so seriously at high levels.
you write so generally I can't even tell what country you are talking about or what you are saying even means
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Hell of run. Did it come at a price? Of course.
Our history too has some very unfortunate "runs" as well. Slavery, institutional racism, and gynecide of the indigenous American Indian.
The notion of "whose better" is comical.
No doubt Chinese nationals have many who are proud of their country and its culture. Friends of mine who frequent the interior on business noticed more "flags" on private homes and small business in the few years before covid. Nothing wrong with nationalistic pride.
In america we perverted "patriotism" when MAGA fans use it to defend its stance. Not the first time in our history that has happend.
Trump made good when he hugged the flag and his constituency ate it up. My mom loved this country and talked about pride of her brother serving in WW2. but he did not fight to keep America for americans. he did not fight to stifle freedoms MAGA heads want to do in the name of being a "patriot".
"for freedom and justice for all". They fought Nazis. Not celebrated them. They fought fascists. Not for trump so he can emulate their tactics.
Oh, by the way, universal healthcare comes with a price. Americans don't want to be told what to do. They don't want to buy health insurance. Of the half million who went to bankruptcy over medical costs in many cases refused to buy it. Im not saying its right, or their fault even if affordable. Some are truely victim of circumstances. Others were proud of there defiance.
blkexec wrote:ONLY IN AMERICAVivek is another lying, grifting POS so it's easy to see the appeal to the maga crowd.Can a person attempt to over through the government and then run for president. Cant make this up!
Smith Act, formally Alien Registration Act of 1940, U.S. federal law passed in 1940 that made it a criminal offense to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or to organize or be a member of any group or society devoted to such advocacy.
blkexec wrote:ONLY IN AMERICACan a person attempt to over through the government and then run for president. Cant make this up!
Smith Act, formally Alien Registration Act of 1940, U.S. federal law passed in 1940 that made it a criminal offense to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or to organize or be a member of any group or society devoted to such advocacy.
GOP have long gave up any principals, ethics, rules, laws, morals etc... all in exchange for power.
Proud Boys leader just got 17 years in prison for his role in J6. Prosecution is currently looking to convict Trump for his involvement. Which I believe they found so much evidence they knew conviction would be all but a sure thing. I don't think they bring someone like Trump to trial unless they were sure of conviction(See Mueller). Due to the alarming amount evidence and people from his own team willing to testify against him. Once the evidence discovered proved their involvement and had them facing jail time. They also seem to be taking every precautionary step to kill any noise about this being about election interference for the public. Which is why they also opted to televise the trial through YouTube. They want the public to see and hear live the alarming amount of evidence they have. They want the public to see the weak defense Trump and his lawyers will utilize in order to defend themselves. They want the pubic to see Republican after Republican testify against Trump. All due to the MAGA cult and avoidance of another J6 type scenario if/when convicted. They are also charging him at State level which eliminates the ability to pardon himself if he was somehow able to drag this out run and get elected. Prosecution have been effectively closing all avenues for ***kery.
Once convicted then the Smith Act can be put into effect. GOP controlled states will probably try to find ways to bend those laws as well though. Interested to see if they actually hand out actual jail time to Trump. And the above commentary is mostly for just the Fulton County Georgia trial. With the J6 DC trial March 4th & the Classified documents trial is May 20th also in play.
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...
Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
My counter story to argue the strong example of documented atrocities here in the US, which you provided......
My dogs former owner who has a grandmother in Russia who employed a girl to pick up her bread and water knew another girl who's father spoke out against the government/Puttin and presented three clear cases of men being murdered in order to keep them quite about said improprieties, was jailed and is has been waiting for a fair trial for over 10 years. .
Assuming that you are not allowed to click on any of the links I provided. Understandable.
They probably pale in comparison to a PRIVATE bank telling an employee, who deals directly with the public, that she has to abide by their company policy on dealing with an epidemic.
You do realize banks are private here? You must have us confused with Russia.
HofstraBBall wrote:
Who likes Randle? 😂Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
I thought you did! I remember last summer you coming around to the "we shouldn't trade Randle for peanuts" side of the debate, but I could be wrong.
I was able to read those articles. Sad stuff. Definitely true that publishing information counter the government's wishes is dangerous. Now we get into the what aboutism of the debate- which is kind of the point. Different strokes for different folks. Ramtour seems happy in Russia, I'm happy in China. I'm just very leery of any argument claiming one country as "the best" since so much is different and a lot comes down to personal opinion.
*** The one article that seemed suspicious was the "black jail" in a park. Most apartments and office complexes are surrounded by a wall to keep out unwanted visitors. It seems unlikely that people would be detained in a building public park.
martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:In terms of government effectiveness, last year a group of parents in my high school wanted to change their kids science teacher. Over 3 months the complaint went municipal, provincial, and then to the national level. The Asst. Provincial Secretary finally intercedes on behalf of the parents to make admin change the teacher. Say what you will, but I was damned impressed that parental complaints were taken so seriously at high levels.you write so generally I can't even tell what country you are talking about or what you are saying even means
Sorry Martin I should be clearer. I was talking about China and my point was that in my experience government in China is responsive to its citizens.
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:
Who likes Randle? 😂Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
I thought you did! I remember last summer you coming around to the "we shouldn't trade Randle for peanuts" side of the debate, but I could be wrong.
I was able to read those articles. Sad stuff. Definitely true that publishing information counter the government's wishes is dangerous. Now we get into the what aboutism of the debate- which is kind of the point. Different strokes for different folks. Ramtour seems happy in Russia, I'm happy in China. I'm just very leery of any argument claiming one country as "the best" since so much is different and a lot comes down to personal opinion.
*** The one article that seemed suspicious was the "black jail" in a park. Most apartments and office complexes are surrounded by a wall to keep out unwanted visitors. It seems unlikely that people would be detained in a building public park.
Was not only on that side but built it from the ground.
My comment as "best" was followed by statement "based on my experiences". However, hard to phantom anyone advocating a communist way of life.
But like you said, as long as you are happy, despite the vail, that is all that matters. Hope the best for you and your family.
HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:
Who likes Randle? 😂Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
I thought you did! I remember last summer you coming around to the "we shouldn't trade Randle for peanuts" side of the debate, but I could be wrong.
I was able to read those articles. Sad stuff. Definitely true that publishing information counter the government's wishes is dangerous. Now we get into the what aboutism of the debate- which is kind of the point. Different strokes for different folks. Ramtour seems happy in Russia, I'm happy in China. I'm just very leery of any argument claiming one country as "the best" since so much is different and a lot comes down to personal opinion.
*** The one article that seemed suspicious was the "black jail" in a park. Most apartments and office complexes are surrounded by a wall to keep out unwanted visitors. It seems unlikely that people would be detained in a building public park.
Was not only on that side but built it from the ground.
My comment as "best" was followed by statement, based on .y experiences. Still hard to phantom anyone advocating a communist way of life.
But like you said, as long as you are happy despite the vail, that is all that matters. Hope the best for you and your family.
That's what I thought. I finally got the Randle jersey I was joining for for the last three years. The things that really scare me about America are the drugs and gun violence. I think if I was more honest with my kid's mom about their prevalence she would our boy to come back to China. My feeling is that for high school and college, freedom of inquiry and expression is important. Once he starts working he can make his own choices.
ramtour420 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.
Have you lived in other countries?Studied and played in Spain and Italy. Have family in Norway.
Great and beautiful countries. But once you have lived here and grown accustomed to what the US offers and it's culture, those countries fall short for me. Of course that is my personal opinion based on my experiences.Where have you lived?
I have lived in China for 20+ years. A lot of Chinese also love their country and think it's the best. I'm sure that's true for many people around the world. "Suburban" America is awesome- big houses, swimming pools, boating, the list goes on. I have met a couple of people in China in the .1% and they don't live as well as the 1% in America., just because they don't have so many options for spending money. The flip side is all the people nodding off from fentanyl in public or geeking out on tranq. This summer was my first time back in four years and in every city I visited (NYC, St. Louis, Memphis, Syracuse) my friends and family told me about how dangerous the city was.
martin has made some good points about Joe- I always liked him. My opinion is that regardless of record he will look old on the debate stage next to Trump and lose the election.
Once again, hard to have a conversation with someone who has the notion a free country can be compared to a communist dictatorship. Referring to the bold in which it seems you are comparing Americans perception to that of the Chinese.
In terms of your reference to the worst of America, drug problems are an issue all over the world. And yes, every country has pockets of poverty and misery. As did every civilization in recorded history. The US is far from perfect. Has millions off people that often act like assholes, terrible gun laws, sleezy politicians, high cost cities, expensive healthcare and many inequalities. The difference in America is that those wishing to pull themselves out of tough situations have the ability to do so. Through education and proper living. Additionally, the support given is not laced with communistic demands. Nor by giving up basic liberties. But again, hard to discuss advantages with those that suggest a communist dictatorship is comparable to a Democracy. As I mentioned to Ramtour, it's like comparing lack of benefits received for those in a poor suburb in Kentucky to those received by someone in a federal penitentiary.
Lots of love for the other guy who has been on team Randle since day one but a lot of what you say here is wrong. Has any government ever had as good a run of China from 1973-2023? China had a billion dirt poor people and now a billion in the middle class. Really hard to quantify the benefit to human happiness of lifting so many people out of poverty.
Who likes Randle? 😂
Definitely a great thing regarding lifting people from poverty. If true.
Think we can compare Woodhaven Queens to really advanced parts of China all day. But it still leaves out most important quality. Which I am advocating. Democracy. Form of government that has formed some of the best countries in the world. Russia, North Korea and China is riddled with stories of those persecuted by government and stripped of basic human freedoms.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/11/11/chin...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net...
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/01/163949720...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-no...Not sure if you are allowed to click on those links?
Your freedom argument is empty as they come. The word is pretty but it's bs. Let me give you one example( there are many more, if need be I will voice then as well)of freedom more available in Russia than in US. My aunt works in a bank in NY. During covid she was forced to take a vaccine or resign. Oh what beautiful freedom that is. There was no mandatory vaccination in Russia. The sweet taste of American freedom . When it comes to corporate interests your freedom is waived. Freedom of speech? Julian Assange would say otherwise. Look, enjoy your freedom while you can. It's not in any way shape or form an illusion. Of course not. Once you realize otherwise things change. Ignorance is bliss
Russia crushed it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail...