I suppose the incumbent gets the nod especially seeing we got more off season workouts by him?
Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
That said, I doubt that will be the case. I'll be honest and say I haven't seen much of DDV play, so I look forward to that and adjusting my opinions...
Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
Grimes size makes him more prototypical at the 2 but your points are valid.
IQ can be extended until game 1? This correct?
Seems that DDV signing points to a trade. Im not against giving Evan another crack at the rotation off the bench if he can earn it and hold it.
On a team with Brunson entrenched as the starter, Grimes is the most ideal choice on our roster.
He’s the incumbent, has the best size, and his trajectory is on the way up. He’s tue best fit with a traditional lineup.
Quickley may be a better, more versatile player, but his style of play and ability to play a legit PG makes him a great change of pace player. If you put him in with Brunson you become a faster team and Brunson’s own play becomes less predictable - at the expense of losing some size/strength/wing defensive flexibility (you’d be outsized by most starting backcourts). If you play him at PG, he brings a lot of the same as Brunson - and probably better defense.
Of course, it also depends on what happens at SF. Grimes makes the most sense of RJ is the starting SF. The Knicks could also go with Josh Hart as the starting SF (unlikely) - he does all sorts of good things, primarily if the game plan is to get Brunson and Randle off to good starts. Hart’s X-factor was really around his 3pt shot. He shot well over 50% from downtown as a Knick and I believe also on the WC team. Maybe there’s some permanent tweak he’s made.
Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
That said, I doubt that will be the case. I'll be honest and say I haven't seen much of DDV play, so I look forward to that and adjusting my opinions...
I agree. I think Quickley functions much better when he is sharing ball-handling responsibilities. I also think the starting 5s biggest weaknesses are a lack of pace and how predictable they can be on offense. Q really helps with both these issues. They lose a little in terms of spacing and Grimes is a better on-ball defender but on paper Q is the best choice IMO. I don't think Thibs sees it that way so I expect/hope it's Grimes. I think he is the best POA defender, brings needed spacing, and has a lot more room for growth than DDV
Its also who finishes the game............
For that, Thibs "in game adjustments" were more prevalent last year than year 2 given he had more options then previously.
He tilted from Evan and Drose and to Yoot.
As for last years "Issues" with pace one might expect the same but from exit meeting to game one in a new season the message to all might have be to "pick it up".
Not to say we go from bottom to 1st but incrementally? We won 47 games with our slow ass pace. Its not fatal.
I'd like to see when josh is in the game if it picked up last year? I'd like to see some 10 game breakdowns from beginning to seasons end if it was effective.
Of course the subject of "iso" comes to the mix. We are really good at it.
If turnovers are an issue pushing the pace and we falling behind its a question of execution. How patient does Thibs get? Play thru it and suffer thru growth or win every damn game with what you got?
Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
That said, I doubt that will be the case. I'll be honest and say I haven't seen much of DDV play, so I look forward to that and adjusting my opinions...
Pretty much with you on all points - Quick was the third best player on this team (postseason not withstanding 
). I advocated for him in the SL starting last season, and will continue to do so this year...man is definitely deserving of a starting role!
I don't expect that will happen though - partly due to balancing the bench as you mentioned - but mostly because the unit did look good last year with Grimes in the role. As deserving as Quick is of the spot, I think it's Grimes' to lose at this point.
Consolidation seems inevitable. IQ definitely isn't untouchable...but I'm looking at all other options before I include him in any move. Hope he stays a Knick for a long time...
Hard call.
As was mentioned above, think it's more important who Thibs trusts during big moments.
For me, none of the choices currently, are game changing. Would prefer a superstar but we have been kicking that rock for some time.
IQ is better suited as a lead role. As a support role, next to JB and JR, he is not at his best.
Grimes is best for defense and melds well with other more aggressive players. Which he is not. Still troubled by his nervous rushed mechanics.
DV may be the nest fit. He has been able to find success as a lower tier option on a unit. He also plays good defense, like Grimes, and has a consistent outside shot. But we shall see.
Think who starts won't really matter. All three have the potential to have a really good game and contribute to a big win. Whether they can contribute to a big playoff win is the big fear but okay with hoping they can.
For now okay with watching Thibs go with the hot hand and have three solid options at SG.
My answer as to who will start is a superstar. Based on hope.
Based on a realistic view, Grimes. Since he seems to be Thibs pick.
Started a thread early last season about starting IQ, wasn't well received. Unless Grimes comes back with a midrange game, a floater, still feel that way.
Not to trigger a certain Mod, but it would be nice to see Grimes play some backup PG at times. If IQ becomes a starter, Grimes could still have a role on the team. And he's on his rookie deal.
IQ has been given an opportunity to play PG and SG. Learned to play those roles well. I dont see a good reason why Q shouldnt be given the same opportunity. Played PG in high school. There is some experience that can be tapped into, if Grimes doesnt look to be consistent enough as a starter
This could a cap saving move. Not having to decide between the two.
This team doesn’t do drama anymore. The spot is grimes to lose and I don’t see him losing it.
PassTheBall wrote:This team doesn’t do drama anymore. The spot is grimes to lose and I don’t see him losing it.
The team still has drama, but its with a small d instead of a capital D.
Which is what a normal team has.
If I could put a number on it, I'd guess that Grimes is about 85 percent there as a starter. IQ, in the low to mid 90s.
I hope Grimes puts it together this season. Having IQ and Grimes consistently playing like starters gives us more flexibility, more options. Especially with our stash of draft picks.
Unless he’s injured again like the start of last season, it’s grimes job to lose. The question is will grimes finish games or DDV? Or both.
With a create coach and Thibs might be that guy now. We could roll out a super small lineup. 4 guards and Mitch.
I think the roster flexibility will be the most interesting micromanagement thread titles all season. But I agree, no surprises. It’s grimes. Question is will RJ start after the all star break?
GustavBahler wrote:Started a thread early last season about starting IQ, wasn't well received. Unless Grimes comes back with a midrange game, a floater, still feel that way.Not to trigger a certain Mod, but it would be nice to see Grimes play some backup PG at times. If IQ becomes a starter, Grimes could still have a role on the team. And he's on his rookie deal.
IQ has been given an opportunity to play PG and SG. Learned to play those roles well. I dont see a good reason why Q shouldnt be given the same opportunity. Played PG in high school. There is some experience that can be tapped into, if Grimes doesnt look to be consistent enough as a starter
This could a cap saving move. Not having to decide between the two.
You may want to ask yourself why those things that you may think are good ideas don’t come to fruition.
After that, there is not much to add.
James Harden! Trade IQ EF and Hartenstein for the Beard!
It is becoming clear that the Knicks cannot afford to keep both Quickley and Grimes.
They will both compete for SG and loser will likely be traded.
A large majority of Analysists think Grimes is going to have a breakout season.
Only way I see them keeping both is with Knicks making the Finals.
nyvector16 wrote:It is becoming clear that the Knicks cannot afford to keep both Quickley and Grimes.
They will both compete for SG and loser will likely be traded.A large majority of Analysists think Grimes is going to have a breakout season.
Only way I see them keeping both is with Knicks making the Finals.
If the three of them are worth the deals can we afford to not keep them ??
If we make finals and IQ is a big piece to accomplishing that what might his free agency look like?
At the same time, Knicks are not the only team in this situation. Maxey has yet to be extended just as one example.
personally I'd like to see him extended as he becomes a more valuable trade chip if that to be a thing. Granted this about Leon and Co. having ascertained his value at the right number.
Parity will reign in this era and having cap space and cap flex, including players on tradable contracts can propel the team nicely.
The concept is there, but execution is another.
Today the clickbait has "Are Knicks the mystery team for Dame"? The thought is using RJ or Brunson as core piece.
Why its dumb: They have scoot and just resigned Grant.
I don't know what Portland is looking for but I'd guess its not a redundant piece.
blkexec wrote:Unless he’s injured again like the start of last season, it’s grimes job to lose. The question is will grimes finish games or DDV? Or both. With a create coach and Thibs might be that guy now. We could roll out a super small lineup. 4 guards and Mitch.
I think the roster flexibility will be the most interesting micromanagement thread titles all season. But I agree, no surprises. It’s grimes. Question is will RJ start after the all star break?
Agree that the small lineup is in the works. Unless Thibs goes to Hart and Sims and lets IQ, DV and Hart be the offensive playmakers.
If you listen to the bloggers, they will have us believe that NY will do something big before the break. So maybe a chance RJ won't even be here after the break. As much as we (okay me) complain about RJ, he is still a tough cover and still young. Not the star we want him to be yet but still has a lot of value.
GustavBahler wrote:Started a thread early last season about starting IQ, wasn't well received. Unless Grimes comes back with a midrange game, a floater, still feel that way.Not to trigger a certain Mod, but it would be nice to see Grimes play some backup PG at times. If IQ becomes a starter, Grimes could still have a role on the team. And he's on his rookie deal.
IQ has been given an opportunity to play PG and SG. Learned to play those roles well. I dont see a good reason why Q shouldnt be given the same opportunity. Played PG in high school. There is some experience that can be tapped into, if Grimes doesnt look to be consistent enough as a starter
This could a cap saving move. Not having to decide between the two.
How do you feel giving Grimes minutes at PG will help the team/Grimes?
