Knicks · Mistake to have jHart backup PF (page 3)

SergioNYK wrote:Backup PF is not a huge deal right now since it's just a 15 mpg back up role. RJ, Hart or Sims/Hartenstein can hold it down. The real issue is what happens if Randle goes down? Can RJ, Hart and Sims/Hartenstein spell PF for an entire game? Especially against guys like Giannis, KD and AD? Doubt it.

12 minutes is an entire quarter of the game. Better man the position

Nalod wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Kai can't shoot.

Can’t dance either, yet his videos are viral, go figure.

I'll pass on searching about Kai dancing, 😂. But To the original post I don't mind Hart as being a back up PF, but not as the only back up. Simms is not a back up PF. If Hart is the primary back up 4 we will get smoked if any of RJ, Hart, and RJ misses time. We need a tested and capable back up on the team to replace Obi. Been saying it all summer. Martin been mocking me for it. However, Simms is a horror at the 4 and if we ever had to use him we are in trouble. Team might loss the games he has to play 14 minutes and that is easily preventable. Get a vet PF.

LIke who, at what salary and who do you trade to get one?
Sims played some PF last year with Ihart.
What was our record there?
If RJ, Hart or Jules miss time all at the same time its an issue. For any team btw. IF that happens our season is shit, we get a higher draft pick, and we do it again and again…..

Try not to get to influenced by last nights game. Preseason are awful predictors.

I have made suggestions in the past but it's not my job to fill the position it's the front office that has to. They should have if they were going to give Obi away. We have picks, a TPE for 7 million, and players like Simms, Deuce, and Evan to trade. We could have also picked up players like Garuba, Bol for nothing and several others as well. Team did nothing because we had Simms ? Yikes, if any of their PF go down

I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Kai can't shoot.

Can’t dance either, yet his videos are viral, go figure.

I'll pass on searching about Kai dancing, 😂. But To the original post I don't mind Hart as being a back up PF, but not as the only back up. Simms is not a back up PF. If Hart is the primary back up 4 we will get smoked if any of RJ, Hart, and RJ misses time. We need a tested and capable back up on the team to replace Obi. Been saying it all summer. Martin been mocking me for it. However, Simms is a horror at the 4 and if we ever had to use him we are in trouble. Team might loss the games he has to play 14 minutes and that is easily preventable. Get a vet PF.

LIke who, at what salary and who do you trade to get one?
Sims played some PF last year with Ihart.
What was our record there?
If RJ, Hart or Jules miss time all at the same time its an issue. For any team btw. IF that happens our season is shit, we get a higher draft pick, and we do it again and again…..

Try not to get to influenced by last nights game. Preseason are awful predictors.

I have made suggestions in the past but it's not my job to fill the position it's the front office that has to. They should have if they were going to give Obi away. We have picks, a TPE for 7 million, and players like Simms, Deuce, and Evan to trade. We could have also picked up players like Garuba, Bol for nothing and several others as well. Team did nothing because we had Simms ? Yikes, if any of their PF go down

Keyon Martin Jr would have been the best Obi replacement. Fun player

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Exactly

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

If a major injury occurs they will need to tap into their deep bench or make a move for a plug in player. Not much different than other teams. The role at full health is the smallest role on the team (last years Obi role which doesn't exist anymore since we decided to fill it Hart / small ball).

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams better creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seedng due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seeing due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

I think the irony is lost on you man

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seeing due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

I think the irony is lost on you man

I feel the same way about your point of view. You can continue to tell me how I am making a mountain out of a mole hill or railing to see the majesty of the front offices vision all you want. And tell me how tough a 6'4" guy is and how he can rebound. Heard all your points. Disagree the front office left a flaw on the roster that can come back to bite them unnecessarily. Your putting too much faith in the FO on this PF issue
. They so far have made a potentially big mistake. Hope your right though
. I hope your right.

Waiting for the envitable IQ/Allen Iverson comparison.

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Alpha1971 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams better creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seedng due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

Several teams deploy small lineups successfully. Having JHart, who can rebound, in a small lineup should make our small lineup a good candidate for success. Think many will be surprised by it.
We have Sims as an insurance policy if we need him against bigger second units or someone gets hurt.

Long term, think we can all agree the FO does not feel this is a finished product.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams better creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seedng due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

Several teams deploy small lineups successfully. Having JHart, who can rebound, in a small lineup should make our small lineup a good candidate for success. Think many will be surprised by it.
We have Sims as an insurance policy if we need him against bigger second units or someone gets hurt.

Long term, think we can all agree the FO does not feel this is a finished product.

I think most would agree that GS and Miami are 2 team that are well regarded around the league. Each definitely have had their "down" years.

But I think we all could agree that they are both capable of competing at a high level in recent years.

Neither team really has important rotation players over 6'9".

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams better creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seedng due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

Several teams deploy small lineups successfully. Having JHart, who can rebound, in a small lineup should make our small lineup a good candidate for success. Think many will be surprised by it.
We have Sims as an insurance policy if we need him against bigger second units or someone gets hurt.

Long term, think we can all agree the FO does not feel this is a finished product.

I think most would agree that GS and Miami are 2 team that are well regarded around the league. Each definitely have had their "down" years.

But I think we all could agree that they are both capable of competing at a high level in recent years.

Neither team really has important rotation players over 6'9".

Feels good for once to read someone else debating over nothing really. But I've been there and choose to keep it calm this season. But if I gave my 2 cents, I agree with both of you (Martin and Alpha).

As fans, we will always find something to be concerned about in the off season. Right now everything is on paper, so it's all hypothetical talk. But I agree with Martin as well, and think if fans are seeing this, you better believe the FO who gets paid to do this, sees the same thing.

It's a calculated risk. Jules rarely gets hurt and doesn't leave a lot of minutes for his backup. Josh plays bigger than his size. Sims plays smaller than his size, as far as his lateral quickness. But Sims will struggle against a PF who can shoot 3's. And Hart will struggle against a PF built like Sims.

But I believe Thibs is savy enough to play the matchup game with that backup PF spot. Plus it gives Thibs more flexibility with his end game second unit lineup.

With all that said, I believe if Jacob Obi makes the team, he can be groomed for the backup PF spot, and unlike his brother, Jacob would be very happy to get 5-10min a game.

This season, we will see how effective this "no PF backup" lineup will work. We do not have a championship team YET, so now is the time to play around and see what works. See if chemistry out weighs roster limitations.

And with DDV on board, we need Josh or RJ to play PF just for roster management sake. Certain small ball players work, especially 2 way dogs like DDV, Hart, Grimes, IQ, etc....

This season will be a good experiment. Maybe Josh Hart at PF works and if so, thank God we didn't add more to an already crowded roster. I don't think we can add more. We either need to make a trade and wait until the dust clears and trade mid season. At least we will have a bigger sample size to make better decisions, instead of jumping the gun. What we have might be enough. Josh rebounding numbers might be impacted, but we have plenty of rebounders.

Relax, drink some tea, enjoy the ride of another season.

Jacob is the new Deuce