Could be that Bondy is just doing his job (and maybe it’s just me reading into this too much and this is all clickbait nonsense), but the recent uptick in KAT chatter is just weird to me.
Add in the Randle out of CAA move and things get weird.
Randle, IQ, plus lots of picks for KAT. Minny gets someone to take over for Conley long term and get out from the KAT contract before the large numbers kick in and replenishes their draft assets.
Knicks get their second offensive focus to work with Brunson and then you retool your roster to add shooters and defenders around KAT/Jalen.
Just guesses
When was KAT healthy and play in the Garden last? He played like 29 games last year? They in town tonite. So its a thing. Randle ex CAA business guy went to new firm and now gets him a big ass sneaker deal? Sketchers is the 4 largest in US market. Its a big deal for Jules!!!! THat part is not weird. These things take time so likely Jules follows this guy from CAA (Who got recently sold). As for Minny, they got a nice team and have to make noise. If not, the “Chatter” might be legit at some point. As for him and THibs, I read this some time ago they were cool. As said, they are in town for a game. KAT is a local kid. He got a big contract and has not had success and often injured. COvid, mom died……..KAT not had an easy time of it. Before that, he was “Soft” under Thibs and likely Jimmy messed his head up a bit when there as well. Yeah, Jules and IQ make a lot of sense. From what I have read or heard on “hoop collective” KAT has to play up to be trade worthy.
martin wrote:Apropos of nothing
Man these highlights got him looking like a defender, but I thought his defense was on par with Randle? I keep forgetting Towns is built like a center, but plays small like a PF. Very agile on offense and long arms on defense and he can shoot. Very dangerous combination to have and why he’s paid so much.
But this doesn’t bring us a championship which we all agree. But for me it breaks up the RJ and Randle 5 yr marriage while getting better on offense and opening the paint more for JB and RJ.
Yes we need depth behind Cat cause he’s injury prone. But on this scenario we are not giving up our depth, and can add a vet PF looking to play. Easy to find vets to backup Cat. They know he doesn’t play 82 games, so they get more opportunities to play.
But to me seems like someone above him gave him a script, so in case Cat is the big splash, there’s no issues with the past. But it’s an interesting move. I just feel like we can do better, just don’t have a better solution at this time. Outside of embid, nothing really moves us into championship contention. Can we win a chip with Cat as the big fish?
blkexec wrote:martin wrote:Apropos of nothing
Man these highlights got him looking like a defender, but I thought his defense was on par with Randle? I keep forgetting Towns is built like a center, but plays small like a PF. Very agile on offense and long arms on defense and he can shoot. Very dangerous combination to have and why he’s paid so much.
But this doesn’t bring us a championship which we all agree. But for me it breaks up the RJ and Randle 5 yr marriage while getting better on offense and opening the paint more for JB and RJ.
Yes we need depth behind Cat cause he’s injury prone. But on this scenario we are not giving up our depth, and can add a vet PF looking to play. Easy to find vets to backup Cat. They know he doesn’t play 82 games, so they get more opportunities to play.
But to me seems like someone above him gave him a script, so in case Cat is the big splash, there’s no issues with the past. But it’s an interesting move. I just feel like we can do better, just don’t have a better solution at this time. Outside of embid, nothing really moves us into championship contention. Can we win a chip with Cat as the big fish?
Good take. I suppose at this moment the question is "how much better is he than Jules"? He is longer, less durable, I have not looked up his stats but has a good good long game. The Kat-Rudy thing is similar to a Mitch-Kat thing. Kats contract and opportunity cost(trade value) would matter.
Can we do better? Sure, the big splash of Embiid would be but at a higher cost no doubt. But Embiid can hold us until Wemby rumors start in a few years if Pop steps down (just kidding). Money matters, but can Minny swing a deal with Toronto for OG and Siakim? Be a bigger deal for both teams but both might benefit.
Something gonna get done in Toronto, im sure they know what they are doing but execution of a plan don't always work out.
If it is something around Randle and other reasonable pieces for Kat — I’m probably down and I’m not an overall Kat fan but I’d trust Kat to makes some buckets, nice passes and maybe even block a few shots in playoffs…where Randle will shat the bed.
Maybe something leaked in terms of Knicks / Wolves discussing Kat and Randle got wind —- changed agents.
IQ would definitely work in Minny next to Ant ——- IQ/Ant/McDaniel/Randle/Gobert pretty damn solid 5 for Minny.
Moving - IQ could free up some Donte/Deuce minutes I guess
Outside of Ant guys I want off Wolves are Reid, McDaniels - hell even slow-mo would be nice bench piece
LivingLegend wrote:Outside of Ant guys I want off Wolves are Reid, McDaniels - hell even slow-mo would be nice bench piece
I think McDaniels is highly valued by Minny but I could be wildly off on that, don’t really follow. Like Minny sees him same way Knicks see Grimes
When we signed Randle 4 years ago it was a shrewd move because he never hit his ceiling in LA and New Orleans. The same can be said for KAT who was supposed to be the next Tim Duncan coming out of Kentucky and has just been decent to good so far. He’s 27. KAT’s ceiling is way higher than Randle’s even if he has underachieved so far. IQ is a nice player and story for us but we cannot extend him at the money hes going to want especially after just giving DiVincenzo $50 million guaranteed and he plays the same position
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...KAT in 8 seasons has 5 solid ones making three Allstar teams and putting up like 24 an 12 in 5 of those years.
His first three he played 82 games EACH. Two more at 77 and 74 games.
I think we discount him a bit based on the last few years where he has been in and out.
I don't guess Randle changed agent because of chatter. Like I said, he reunited with his business agent and closely after got a big Sketchers deal.
Nalod wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
KAT in 8 seasons has 5 solid ones making three Allstar teams and putting up like 24 an 12 in 5 of those years.
His first three he played 82 games EACH. Two more at 77 and 74 games.
I think we discount him a bit based on the last few years where he has been in and out. I don't guess Randle changed agent because of chatter. Like I said, he reunited with his business agent and closely after got a big Sketchers deal.
Did Randle change agents? I thought his agent changed agencies. There is a lot of changes happening within CAA due to the new ownership and I thought that might've been the reason.As for KAT, no one disputes the numbers. He may very well leave the game as one of the best shooting big men of all time. The questions surrounding revolve around his overall impact on winning. He's not a good defender and his intensity waivers. Still not sure where you even play him on defense because he's not really physical enough to be a center and he still consistently struggles keeping up with forwards and making defensive rotations. I see KAT as a lateral move. Sure, you can argue he's more talented than Randle. But the you have to factor in all the assets needed to bring him in.
Nalod wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
KAT in 8 seasons has 5 solid ones making three Allstar teams and putting up like 24 an 12 in 5 of those years.
His first three he played 82 games EACH. Two more at 77 and 74 games.
I think we discount him a bit based on the last few years where he has been in and out. I don't guess Randle changed agent because of chatter. Like I said, he reunited with his business agent and closely after got a big Sketchers deal.
And one of those injury seasons was more COVID related than pure physical injury? I can’t remember
Nothing to see here. Definitely not tampering
I can’t tell if Dolan not standing up is him being a smug dipshit or him playing 3D chess and avoiding a tampering move LOL
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:When we signed Randle 4 years ago it was a shrewd move because he never hit his ceiling in LA and New Orleans. The same can be said for KAT who was supposed to be the next Tim Duncan coming out of Kentucky and has just been decent to good so far. He’s 27. KAT’s ceiling is way higher than Randle’s even if he has underachieved so far. IQ is a nice player and story for us but we cannot extend him at the money hes going to want especially after just giving DiVincenzo $50 million guaranteed and he plays the same position
Fair point
Not denying KAT has more talent than Jules, but it's a different situation. Jules, due to injuries and organizational distinction, never really got a shot to show his upside. Even when he got to the NOP, he got lucky with the Anthony Davis injury. Towns has consistently been playing 30+ since his rookie year. We've seen Town respond on decent to high usage scenarios. I don't think there's much of a mystery to KAT's ceiling. We know who he is as a player
martin wrote:Nothing to see here. Definitely not tampering I can’t tell if Dolan not standing up is him being a smug dipshit or him playing 3D chess and avoiding a tampering move LOL
Making Dolan stand up kinda qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment. It looks like he can barely maintain his posture while sitting down.
martin wrote:Nothing to see here. Definitely not tampering I can’t tell if Dolan not standing up is him being a smug dipshit or him playing 3D chess and avoiding a tampering move LOL
Did we just turn Obi Toppin into a hug from KAT?
KAT and Randle are good buddies who are outside a lot of the other cliques in the NBA. It's always been my feeling that the idea would be to pair Randle and KAT together.
Minnesota's future lies with Anthony Edwards so it makes sense to trade KAT for guys on his timeline. RJ Hartenstein and IQ get the Knicks to KAT's salary. Conley's contract expires next year, so Wolves could give him Conley's money.
Randle can match up with a lot of forwards on D, like Jimmy Butler and Tatum. Knicks would have to toss on a bunch of picks but a crunch time line up of Brunson Hart Randle KAT with Robinson or Grimes depending on the matchup would be a potential championship squad.
gradyandrew wrote:KAT and Randle are good buddies who are outside a lot of the other cliques in the NBA. It's always been my feeling that the idea would be to pair Randle and KAT together. Minnesota's future lies with Anthony Edwards so it makes sense to trade KAT for guys on his timeline. RJ Hartenstein and IQ get the Knicks to KAT's salary. Conley's contract expires next year, so Wolves could give him Conley's money.
Randle can match up with a lot of forwards on D, like Jimmy Butler and Tatum. Knicks would have to toss on a bunch of picks but a crunch time line up of Brunson Hart Randle KAT with Robinson or Grimes depending on the matchup would be a potential championship squad.
Knicks have a strong philosophy of defense down the middle starting at center. You think the Knicks think Randle/KAT pairing will fulfill that?
Leon was his agent, Rosas was GM in Minny. Thats a lot of love there. Dolan don’t know the kid.
Not like Dolan would hug it out anyway.
They built it with edwards, but RUDY is NOW as is KAT. Same for Conley. Edwards and Daniels are the future but they are needed now.
I like what they are doing and my guess is they need a full year with a healthy KAT and see where it goes before deciding.
If Phila can’t get anything for Harden and they step backwards I’d think it would be mutually beneficial for both the team and Joel to want a deal.
