Knicks · Great, another road game against Boston, 730 MSG (page 5)

WP76 @ 12/8/2023 9:44 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Put this game on a combination of mediocre 3pt D, and great shooting from Boston. Much of our offense looks improvised. While Boston looks like they have a plan.

This was DDVs first start in a while, against a top 3 team at home. Im confident he'll be more aggressive going forward.

Grimes took it to the rim twice this game, for maybe the first time this season. Looks like it was the right move.

Seems like every good team we play shoots the lights out from distance.

WP76 @ 12/8/2023 9:46 PM
...and now we're just jacking up a bunch of dead legged threes.
LivingLegend @ 12/8/2023 9:48 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
WP76 wrote:I'm stuck with the Boston broadcast on NBA TV and I've got to say I've never seen worse announcers. It's a stark contrast to Clyde, Kenny, Mike, Wally, etc.

Boston always has Homer announcers.

Listening to them as well - Wally would fit right in.

LivingLegend @ 12/8/2023 9:51 PM
blkexec wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
blkexec wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Variance. The team gives a lot of threes by design. We lucked out last year with misses. Now the pendulum has swung to the other side.

Just maybe we not a good defensive team? We have a defensive coach but need defensive players. Then offense is iso heavy with low efficient volume shooters.

So we will either blow out teams or get blown out. Our offense dictates defensive energy.

Well at least 3/5 of our starters are poor defenders with Dd/Grimes avg. with Mitch reverting to Mo Bamba lately but still we have one of highest defensive ratings in league.

That’s going to change the way we look.

Is that a ? - if yes don’t understand it.

WP76 @ 12/8/2023 9:54 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
WP76 wrote:I'm stuck with the Boston broadcast on NBA TV and I've got to say I've never seen worse announcers. It's a stark contrast to Clyde, Kenny, Mike, Wally, etc.

Boston always has Homer announcers.

Listening to them as well - Wally would fit right in.

Yeah, you're right.

GustavBahler @ 12/8/2023 9:56 PM
Geez whqt happened to JB?
TheMTL @ 12/8/2023 9:57 PM
Why is Brunson in when you're down by 10pta with 20seconds left. Poor coaching. Thibs continues to make the same mistakes
LivingLegend @ 12/8/2023 9:57 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Geez whqt happened to JB?

Thibs looking for that 13 point shot with 21 seconds on clock

GustavBahler @ 12/8/2023 10:00 PM
Would rather see IQ start next game so JB can rest his ankle, than seeing him try to gut it out. If he's still hurt. Too early in the season for that. Deuce would also get some needed PT to stay ready.
Knixkik @ 12/8/2023 10:00 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
WP76 wrote:I'm stuck with the Boston broadcast on NBA TV and I've got to say I've never seen worse announcers. It's a stark contrast to Clyde, Kenny, Mike, Wally, etc.

Boston always has Homer announcers.

Listening to them as well - Wally would fit right in.

Yes they are consistently amongst the worst in basketball.

GustavBahler @ 12/8/2023 10:01 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Geez whqt happened to JB?

Thibs looking for that 13 point shot with 21 seconds on clock

Never been a fan of "I'll empty the bench when hell freezes over"

Knixkik @ 12/8/2023 10:02 PM
Seems like the Brunson ankle roll is minor. Hoping he’s fine with treatment. Individually the Knicks were fine. Seems like Grimes off the bench is rejuvenated. But Knicks need to figure out how to guard the 3pt line.
Alpha1971 @ 12/8/2023 10:09 PM
Knixkik wrote:Seems like the Brunson ankle roll is minor. Hoping he’s fine with treatment. Individually the Knicks were fine. Seems like Grimes off the bench is rejuvenated. But Knicks need to figure out how to guard the 3pt line.

Individually the Knicks were fine??

joec32033 @ 12/8/2023 10:10 PM
Just look at the Box score. Those 10 points were at the starting 2 guard spot with DDV scoring only 6. I think that give DDV a couple games to adjust and if Grimes can play the way he played off the bench (maybe he is a second string/summer league star) just really that much better than benches but not up to the level of starters.

The defense sucked but Boston gave up 123 points. it wasn't a defensive battle. They need scoring from 5 positions or extra extra scoring from 4 positions if Mitch can't figure out how to score a little bit.

Alpha1971 @ 12/8/2023 10:16 PM
The Knicks fans who dislike criticism of the 9 man rotation, have no fear we will beat other inferior teams shortly
Panos @ 12/8/2023 10:22 PM
Omg Grimes took 10 shots!
HofstraBBall @ 12/8/2023 11:08 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Disagree with Thibs here but we'll see what happens. Hopefully he didn't completely kill Grimes confidence.

+1

Disagree. If Grimes had kept starting, and probably still playing poorly. Then his confidence would likely be shot.

This is Grimes chance to put his money where his mouth is, with a second unit which will do a better job of getting Grimes more touches.

I'm also surprised that Grimes was benched so soon after his comments. But the behind the scenes stuff about his frustration, probably made it inevitable.

+1

Would have preferred IQ promoted though. But do realize that the only other player, in the 9 man rotation, who Thibs trusts at PG is IQ.

LivingLegend @ 12/8/2023 11:27 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Disagree with Thibs here but we'll see what happens. Hopefully he didn't completely kill Grimes confidence.

+1

Disagree. If Grimes had kept starting, and probably still playing poorly. Then his confidence would likely be shot.

This is Grimes chance to put his money where his mouth is, with a second unit which will do a better job of getting Grimes more touches.

I'm also surprised that Grimes was benched so soon after his comments. But the behind the scenes stuff about his frustration, probably made it inevitable.

+1

Would have preferred IQ promoted though. But do realize that the only other player, in the 9 man rotation, who Thibs trusts at PG is IQ.

And remarkably he isn’t even a PG —— guy might as well have horse blinders on.

Clean @ 12/9/2023 12:37 AM

Been saying this for damn near 4 years. Teams shooting so well from 3 against us is a scheme problem. People don't like when I talk about Thibs though. Our defense relies on people missing open 3's.

People See Randle and Thibs and think. We were trash for so many years and at least we are decent now. So lets ride it out. I see both of them and appreciate what they have done for us but also know in my heart our potentential to get further than where we are will severely be limited while they have prominant roles on this team due to their glaring shortcomings.

Clean @ 12/9/2023 12:56 AM

I bet Grime was happy to get away from ISO ball.

Nalod @ 12/9/2023 4:37 AM
If you defend the 3 heavy you open up the lanes and Boston will kill you.
They are perhaps the top team in the league. Derrick White is really quite good. Boston starting 5 is elite.
Second guess the coach but need to consider the options. Thibs understands to beat a good team you need to to execute the lessor statistic on them. If they hit the shots, we lose.

Grimes on second unit was fed more. he subbed in for Brunson. Hitting his first shot was cool and he played his game given/earning touches.

As for IQ starting or not perhaps Thibs wants a bigger guy who can play better Defense vs wings. IQ to me seems to be taking less floaters and if he does not get off a quick shot, seems to be over handing the ball when he probes. RJ does this as well but he has improved this a bit this year. IQ in the past runs into these quagmires and has come out a better player.

Its apparent the Knicks are a middle of the pack team perhaps at best a 6th seed. Still a lot of season to go. In the east Philly is better than predicted, Boston and Milwaukee are what was expected, Miami will be in the mix to a lessor degree. Indy and Orlando have made great strides and looking they might pass us. Welcome to parity.

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